Social Web Foundation launches, supported by Vivaldi

https://vivaldi.com/blog/social-web-foundation-launches-supported-by-vivaldi/

by ZacnyLos • 2 years ago

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turblety4• 2 years ago

Just a PSA, that you really shouldn't be using Vivaldi or any closed source browser. As we know, companies that start off privacy/ethically focused (take Mozilla for example) eventually turn evil and start spying/tracking their users.

Vivaldi will eventually start doing this, and you'll have absolutely no idea because it's entirely closed source. No one knows what mischief they get up to.

TL;DR; Don't sign into your bank with Vivaldi

onethought• 2 years ago

That’s right, the hill to die on is the browser’s openness.

Not your OS, not your firmware. Not your hardware. It’s the browser

turblety4• 2 years ago

Thanks for raising closed hardware too, and I presume you are talking about the Intel ME (backdoor spyware [1] that Intel puts into all their chips via their closed source proprietary firmware). It's a complete blackbox, other CPU that no one knows entirely what it does, but has full access to your main CPU/memory/computer, and allows it to be remotely controlled by anyone with Intels signing keys.

We need to open this too, or at least be transparent, and your points on closed firmware/hardware is really important.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

stavros• 2 years ago

It's a hill, I don't think anyone said it's the hill.

ryanmentor• 2 years ago

As a cat of nine lives, there are many hills I intend to die on

mastazi• 2 years ago

whataboutism is a logical fallacy.

Hamuko• 2 years ago

take Mozilla for example

I thought Firefox was open source?

isodev• 2 years ago

That's not it, Mozilla decided to leave the fediverse and has been loading Firefox with AI and opt-out tracking features. All while still being funded by Big G.

fnord77• 2 years ago

mozilla is spying/tracking users now?

turblety4• 2 years ago

Yup [1]. They've basically left their core mission and just sell out now.

1. https://noyb.eu/en/firefox-tracks-you-privacy-preserving-fea...

timeon• 2 years ago

Since you are also mentioning Mozilla, what browser would you recommend instead?

lfkdev2• 2 years ago

Brave is solid. Opensource with some nice features

input_sh2• 2 years ago

Vivaldi is one of the dozen supporting orgs, so why link to their blog instead of the original annoucement that mentions all of them? https://socialwebfoundation.org/2024/09/24/launch/

aquir• 2 years ago

Even after reading through this it is not clear at all what is it! "Something-something-fediverse"

kissgyorgy• 2 years ago

There are literally bullet points to list what the Foundation will do.

phoe-krk2• 2 years ago

Another related link was submitted earlier at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41636491 if it helps.

prirai• 2 years ago

Archive link please, doesn't seem to open.

Semaphor• 2 years ago

Related: "Holy Hell, the Social Web Did Not Begin in 2008" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41644267

Unai• 2 years ago

I have to agree with that post. The only objective of this foundation seem to be the advertisement of the term "social web", I guess because they found "fediverse" to not be marketable enough.

The web doesn't have to be "social media" to be social, and federation doesn't make it any more or less social, it's just federated. The web have always been social, way before "social media" came along.

Words have meanings, and taking over them for personal and economical gain doesn't add anything, only subtracts.

I love the web more than anything, and I'm tired of people using advertisement campaigns to try to poison people's minds for their personal agendas. Your crypto-crap is not the third version (?) of the web. And your flavour of social media is not the social web.

Of course, I think crypto is useless and social media have been detrimental to society, so I might be biased.

mattlondon• 2 years ago

I see Meta is one of the founding supporters.

Is Meta not the absolute antithesis of privacy? The complete polar-opposite of what people have tried to achieve with the fediverse? One of the main things they are trying to move away from?

Seems like a very strange decision here - "letting the fox into the hen house".

darnfish• 2 years ago

Meta runs Threads which has ActivityPub support

sebstefan2• 2 years ago

I'm more knowledgeable about Lemmy than Mastodon but It's a misconception that the fediverse is more private

The decentralization forces some things to be fully public, such as your likes, who upvotes what etc

Plus from a legislation standpoint, you lose some of your rights out there - like the right to be forgotten. It's impossible to enforce GDPR on ActivityPub.

It's a weird middle-seat where on one hand, the fediverse won't start asking you for your name or to get a picture of you holding your ID, but on the other, at least when Facebook trains its models on the stuff you post, they'll tell you about it in their user agreement.

gnramires2• 2 years ago

I don't see why right to be forgotten is fundamentally incompatible with Fediverse (or other social web 4.0, idk the name)? For example, there could be a central server where you publish some credentials along with a request to be forgotten, and all instances must (if they want to comply with the law) check there from time to time (this would happen automatically of course) and erase associated content. Or you could ask to be forgotten to your instances and it would message all relevant instances of your wish to be forgotten, which then is their own duty to comply. It doesn't seem like an insurmountable issue.

threeseed• 2 years ago

Zuckerberg has said many times he is a huge supporter of the fediverse.

Because (a) it keeps regulators off their back, (b) they can monetise content generated in other apps and (c) it keeps the competition on a level playing field which plays to their strengths.

jayveeone• 2 years ago

Can you point me to three times Zuck has said he's a "huge supporter of the Fediverse?"

PaulHoule• 2 years ago

Vivaldi does what MozDon’t?

shortrounddev2• 2 years ago

I've noticed that Twitter is the only platform that gets any real widespread support for alternatives in the fediverse. I never liked Twitter originally, and I don't like mastodon now. I want federated Instagram and Facebook, but that would require that people I actually know are on these services and not strangers on the internet.

dancemethis• 2 years ago

If Vivaldi cared, it wouldn't be proprietary.

pixxel• 2 years ago

Closed-source Vivaldi. They shout privacy but collect and store your data. You can’t trust these people.

https://mastodon.social/@designer/113198144562226848

Social Web Foundation launches, supported by Vivaldi

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