Espresso Public Beta Released - Textmate finally gets some competition

by jpcx01 • 18 years ago

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Oompa• 18 years ago

Looks good for web development, but I'm not always doing web development. I like one editor for everything…

tptacek2• 18 years ago

I'm a fan of CSSEdit, their previous app; I never in a zillion years thought I'd think a special-purpose editor for CSS would be useful (I'm an Emacs person), but CSSEdit winds up on my screen every time I do anything webby.

mechanical_fish2• 18 years ago

I liked what I saw of CSSEdit but I just didn't find it to be a big enough win over emacs + Firebug. I try stuff out in Firebug and then, if it works, I edit it into the CSS file with emacs. Since most of the time I'm editing JS or a PHP template or HTML or something in tandem with the CSS, I need to be bouncing over to emacs all the time anyway.

Have I not found the secret killer feature? I own CSSEdit, so I could start using it again tomorrow if I had a good reason!

tptacek2• 18 years ago

Yeah, I thought about it when I wrote that comment, and I cannot figure out what the killer feature is; I just do all my CSS editing by slurping up application.css into CSSEdit, making things the way I want them, and then c-p'ing them back into application.css.

I spend a bit of time in Firebug too, but I never use it for CSS editing.

almost• 18 years ago

I wrote a minor mode for Emacs a while ago that does something similar to what it looks like CSSEdit does. It uses MozRepl to update the current css of a page in Firefox so you can have a live preview as you work on a css file.

I don't really ever work with CSS these days so it doesn't get much use. It's a little flaky as I've only ever had to get it to work for me. But if anyone is interested I could put it up somewhere.

bkudria• 18 years ago

Please do!

lallysingh• 18 years ago

Looks like more of a competitor to Coda (http://www.panic.com/coda/).

osi• 18 years ago

their 'sugar' extensibility framework is more textmate-ish than what coda offers though.

definitely good to see another entry into the editor space. maybe it will prompt a TM2 beta! :)

sh1mmer2• 18 years ago

Anything that pushes Textmate to actual finish version 2 is not a bad thing in my book.

pxlpshr• 18 years ago

I'm a huge fan of Coda, have been using it religiously for the past 2 months.

est• 18 years ago

Linux & win need a decent editor. sign.

alexkay• 18 years ago

Emacs FTW!

sh1mmer2• 18 years ago

I'd like to see some actual implementation of Sugars. Right now they are incredibly basic.

rw• 18 years ago

How does this (and TextMate) compare to vim and Emacs?

basil• 18 years ago

Textmate and Espresso and all other visual editors don't compare to Vim/Emacs.

Sure Textmate may have some keybindings, but you can't use Textmate while ssh'd to a remote server.

nailer• 18 years ago

Yes you can. There have been stable user-level filesystem drivers for years for Linux, Mac and Windows.

Also Textmate / eText / gedit with gedit plugins have:

* Richer interfaces (eg, code folding on out of the box)

* Better discoverability (eg, you can stumble upon how to change your tab width faster in these apps than you can using vimtutor)

* Easier customization (ever tried writing a vi syntax schema)?

davidw• 18 years ago

Sort of like a little bike with training wheels and streamers coming out the ends of the handlebars compared to something like this:

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/mountain_hardtail/9_ser...

Emacs is open source, but so scriptable that I don't think I've ever talked with anyone who's ever delved into the C code. Textmate, on the other hand, is not open source, and so you depend entirely on the author to provide you with timely updates and features. It may be scriptable to some degree, but if you want to do something more with it, you simply can't.

tortilla• 18 years ago

Off topic, but that's a sweet sweet bike.

gregf• 18 years ago

Textmate had competition long before it existed. Try ViM and Emacs.

jamesbritt2• 18 years ago

That was m thought, too, when I saw the headline.

Yet many people still prefer TextMate.

Hey, TextMate fans: What's the appeal of TextMate over vi and emacs?

mtw• 18 years ago

it's easier to pick up than vi or emacs I guess, while still as powerful

amr• 18 years ago

I will keep an eye on Espresso. At the moment, however, I don't think Textmate has anything to worry about. Will see if sugars will change that. Also, if Textmate becomes so stale as to push to find other solutions (Textmate developers: hint. hint.)

Espresso Public Beta Released - Textmate finally gets some competition

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