City of Ruins

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by doh • 14 years ago

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scottshea• 14 years ago

Um... wow... words are not enough...

planetguy4• 14 years ago

Actually I think words are sufficient. As in "Oh man, those three and a half seconds of actual video of the reconstruction were awesome, it'd be nice if there were more of that"

edit: I found the full video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrlE99I_Q9A

suprgeek2• 14 years ago

Awesome imagery here...when I first read the title though it made me think this was going to be about Detroit again. The levels of destruction and abandonment there even today have to be seen to be believed.

vecinu• 14 years ago

Can you elaborate a little? I'm not familiar with what destruction happened in Detroit.

eli• 14 years ago

I believe Suprgeek is referring to the impact the financial crisis has had on the city: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089,00.htm...

suprgeek2• 14 years ago

eli is correct that is exactly the photo essay that came to mind about Detroit. Having personally driven thru Detroit and witnessing large Swathes of the area totally abandoned freaked me out completely

planetguy4• 14 years ago

Once again, in action, the unnamed law that decrees that any article about anything happening in any country in the world inevitably turns into a thread about much worse things are in the US.

joshAg• 14 years ago

where does he say that modern-day detroit is worse than 1945 warsaw? i didn't see anything to suggest that that s/he thought detroit was worse warsaw. is it possible that you are reading to far into the comment?

mc32• 14 years ago

The interesting part about Detroit, amongst others, is that Detroit's "ruins" are due to an exodus of industry and followed by population. That's to say, it's not exactly due to gov't mismanagement or some kind of systemic failure. The failure is more individual --for example, company goes bankrupt --leaves building. But no one comes in to rent the building out. In other cases, it's due to buildings reaching their useful life --and not getting torn down properly (in this case, too costly for the gov't since no one is willing to build, as they would in other cities). All this is aggravated by the flight form the city to the suburbs and elsewhere. To put it succinctly, this is more organic, than artificial.

So, for example, you could be in a nice building and look across the street and look at a dilapidated building in disrepair. It's a weird juxtaposition but one shaped by economics and demographics.

mikeash• 14 years ago

How dare people occasionally relate a link to something they're reminded of from their home country.

GigabyteCoin• 14 years ago

As a person of polish descent, I was heartbroken to visit Warsaw and see beside ~90% of the most beautiful buildings a little plaque and statement basically reading "this is a reproduction, the original was bombed to hell in WWII and here is a picture of the ruins".

rmk2• 14 years ago

I'd say it's already very impressive that they managed to reproduce how things looked.

Now, I've never been to Warsaw, but judging from other cities I've seen that have been destroyed in a similar way, many cities -- and especially city centers -- never even managed to evoke the original looks. From their modern day form, you can only guess how the city used to look like, given enough fantasy (if at all possible).

So while it is a huge tragedy, at least what you see are reproduction, not 50's/60's concrete blocks that were built out of necessity to supply somewhat affordable commercial and residental space.

jwr3• 14 years ago

As a Pole raised in Warsaw I can give you a different perspective: it's actually surprising for children to see things which were not destroyed and are original.

I still remember my younger brother, as a 10-year old, visiting one of the French Loire castles and asking my parents: "so, all this was rebuilt after the war, right?".

We should all learn. Never again.

fibertbh• 14 years ago

What technology is being used to create this?

pwny• 14 years ago

From their job application forms, it seems like they use a lot of Autodesk 3D modeling tools along with Adobe creative processing/finishing software too. I'd also really like to know what software packages were used exactly.

itomek• 14 years ago

whats also sad is how the Russians took advantage of the situation and instilled communist rule for the next ~50 years.

run4yourlives• 14 years ago

What's really sad is how the city was rebuilt afterwards. The absolute last people you want rebuilding a grand city are Soviet engineers.

If you've never been to Poland, land in Warsaw, spend a day or two, then head south to Kraków. The amazing disparity between a city leveled in WWII and rebuilt by communists and a city untouched by the Nazis (and therefore the Soviets) is heartbreaking.

arethuza• 14 years ago

I can second the recommendation to visit Kraków - it really is gorgeous, even compared to my home town of Edinburgh.

However, if you are visiting Kraków for pleasure I can also strongly recommend a day you will not enjoy: a visit to the nearby Auschwitz and, worst of all, Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you do go, I would recommend making sure you go with a guide - the one we had did an excellent job of explaining what we were seeing. One comment in particular he made I will never forget, while we were standing looking at the remains of one of the huge gas chambers he said:

"More people died in that room than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined"

jwr3• 14 years ago

A visit to the Auschwitz camp should be mandatory for all aspiring politicians. What you see and experience there changes the way you look at the world afterwards. For anyone with a soul, the words „never again” will be forever engraved in your mind.

kiiski• 14 years ago

Was it rebuilt badly due to bad engineers, or just because the soviets had a lot to rebuild?

RollAHardSix• 14 years ago

engineers, a lot to rebuild, or bad politicians?

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stasm• 14 years ago

The engineers were good (if not too good, it all still stands...), but they were limited by the ideology. The city planning and the architecture were at the ideology's service. For instance, rarely did buildings have ground-level spaces for commerce and services; after all, any form of entrepreneurship was discouraged by the economic system, so there was no official need for cafes at every corner. The streets were made wide to allow for easy troops transfer and make it harder for any rebels to create barricades. Some streets were shifted by a few meters to obscure a view of churches and other historic landmarks which could provoke unrighteous thinking.

I heartily recommend Ryszard Kapuscinski's 'Imperium' (it's available in English) if you want to learn more about the Soviet Union in general and different cultures inhabiting it at the time. A lot of spot-on analysis of how the system worked. Brilliant documentary writing, too.

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planetguy4• 14 years ago

It wasn't the engineers, it was the architects.

Communist architecture followed the principles of communist architecture. Diversion from what the state thought was a good idea was highly un-recommended. The principles of communist architecture started off from a lot of high-minded platitudes about equality and national purpose, but in practice always translated to a monstrous block of filthy grey concrete with tiny windows that looks awful from a distance and only gets worse as you get closer.

It wasn't confined to the eastern bloc either, you can find plenty of horrible examples of a similar style dreamed up by western architects infected by similar principles; pretty much anything ugly, grey, concrete, and mid-century. They continue to blight our cities and (especially) our university campuses. But reconstruct a whole city in the same milieu, and you'll have Warsaw.

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agrostis3• 14 years ago

I share your opinion that post-WW2 architecture is nightmarish, but do you seriously think that it has to do with political pressure exerted on the architects and engineers by communist authorities? Compare Warsaw with, e. g., Rotterdam, another city which suffered wide-scale destruction in the war. Netherlands never had a communist government, Rotterdam consistently elected its mayors from the ranks of liberal parties (PvdA and VVP), and the engineers there were presumably Dutch rather than Soviet. The results, however, if we talk about the architecture of re-built city sections, were as dismal as in Warsaw. The same goes for other Western European cities extensively developed after WW2: Hamburg, Düsseldorf, Milan, Nantes, you name it.

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brazzy3• 14 years ago

> Netherlands never had a communist government, Rotterdam consistently elected its mayors from the ranks of liberal parties

Ba aware that to many conservative Americans, "liberal" is pretty much the same thing as "communist".

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zalew5• 14 years ago

It has. I would really like to enlighten you somehow, but I don't know how to do it in short, so I can only redirect you to reading about Warsaw reconstruction history, look for names/keywords like Bierut, Gomułka, who they were and what they did for/to Warsaw. You can take also a look at the link from my other comment.

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thingie• 14 years ago

It doesn't really matter that much, if your city wasn't destroyed during the war, it was destroyed during the 70's or 80's (in a process continuing to this day) when the communists governments decided to ruin every larger town in a same manner as the Americans did 20 years before them, massive tear-downs, urban freeways (right through the city center, see Prague), uniform large scale housing projects on the periphery. Admittedly, the scale was not that large, but it was the same kind of destruction.

Krakow's greater center is just gorgeous, I really loved it. But it was a similar experience, to a certain degree, as well. On a train from Katowice, the first sight was something called "Krakow Business Park", disgusting office park, a place that doesn't belong anywhere, I work in a similar project and it is almost the same. Glass blocks surrounded by an endless parking lot. Then some recent suburban development, complete clusterfuck under all circumstances. And looking from Kazimierz across Wisla, what I saw on the other bank was also very disappointing. Or this https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dO_Cw7ayCQk/Tx2LuPNmF0I/A..., seen right from the castle Wawel. And this was not built by the soviet engineers. Not much has changed after 1989. Maybe nothing at all.

This sums it all. You don't need a war. http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/4967/houstons-cars-...

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ashutoshm• 14 years ago

quoting Feynman from "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" "What is Poland like? My strongest impression — and the one which gives me such a surprise — is that it is almost exactly as I pictured it (except for one detail) — not only in how it looks, but also in the people, how they feel, what they say and think about the government, etc. Apparently we are well informed in the US and magazines such as Time and Atlas are not so bad. The detail is that I had forgotten how completely destroyed Warsaw was during the war and therefore that, with few exceptions (which are easily identified by the bullet holes all over them), all the buildings are built since the war. In fact it is a rather considerable accomplishment — there are very many new buildings: Warsaw is a big city, all rebuilt." . . . "Oh, I mentioned that one building in Warsaw is interesting to look at. It is the largest building in Poland: the “Palace of Culture and Science” given as a gift by the Soviet Union, It was designed by Soviet architects. Darling, it is unbelievable! I cannot even begin to describe it. It is the craziest monstrosity on land!"

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darklajid• 14 years ago

There are similar voices about the reconstruction for my German (chosen) home: Cologne [1]

It's a huge mess of different styles, one building uglier than the next. If you're in Germany and want to see a beautiful city, visit Dresden.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne#World_War_II

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zalew5• 14 years ago

> What's really sad is how the city was rebuilt afterwards.

http://dsh.waw.pl/pl/3_947

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js...

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peterb• 14 years ago

My father fought in the Warsaw uprising when he was 16 years old. He spend the next year as a prison of war in a forced labor camp. This video has brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for posting it.

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zbyszek• 14 years ago

The Warsaw Uprising museum (http://www.1944.pl/) is well worth a visit. For a long time this history was suppressed as it didn't fit in with the prevailing orthodoxy that the Red Army did all the liberating. The existence of the museum is the culmination of many years of work by people like my grandmother, who also took part in the uprising, in preserving the history and pushing for its recognition.

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Dove2• 14 years ago

I am struck by the relative peace, prosperity, and safety of our time. It is a costly gift from those of my grandfather's generation. I feel compelled not to waste it.

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jwr3• 14 years ago

This is exactly why I (being Polish) go to vote in every election.

I feel I do not have the right to say "nah, I don't really care" — I haven't earned it. I owe a debt to our grandfathers, who ran around with guns, fighting for our freedom, as well as to my parents' generation, who managed to break out from under communist (Soviet) rule. People who did run around with guns have earned the right not to go and vote — I did not.

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rmc• 14 years ago

I am struck by the relative peace, prosperity, and safety of our time

in Europe.

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jscheel• 14 years ago

Wow, Platige Image has really knocked it out of the park with this. Kinda reminds me of the awesome work they did on their short film "The Cathedral". I still remember being in awe of that when it was at siggraph years ago.

It would be incredible to see this done to Dresden as well, another city that was absolutely decimated by the war.

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