Iran president helicopter in hard landing – state media

Mosaddegh was a marxist, supported by Russia, who tried to play both sides to advance a personal agenda of Persian ascendancy. Had he not been overthrown, the Russians would have eventually lost patience and killed him; or the radical islamists would have eventually overthrown him with the assistance of regional Arab players not keen on an ascendant Iran, with Marxist leanings. They would've wrongly believed an Islamist Iran would be easier to align than a secular/marxist regime.

starik362• 2 years ago

Probably the same place. Islamic theocratic was on the rise in that area in the 70s - it's likely Ayatollah Khomeini would come to power one way or another - possibly even via elections. Just like Islamists did elsewhere after the Arab spring.

nashashmi5• 2 years ago

The brits and Americans used islamic clerics to overthrow mosadegh

Rinzler89• 2 years ago

A video covering this just dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k18Fidj8p0U

thriftwy• 2 years ago

The assumption that Iran is a poor country... I can see them building mass transit in numerious cities and amn't seeing the same in e.g. KSA.

How do you measure country's net worth?

vehemenz• 2 years ago

That's a pretty handy way to let radical Islam off the hook.

Filipendulous• 2 years ago

As though its development hasn't been influenced by centuries of Western violence and oppression?

Ajay-p2• 2 years ago

Radical Islam may have never taken root in Iran otherwise. There is no letting radical Islam off the hook, but you're free to do so if you wish.

slillibri• 2 years ago

I often wonder if the Ottomans hadn’t sided with the Central powers how much better off the region would be.

1vuio0pswjnm7• 2 years ago

There is an interesting episode about this in a 1985 British documentary called "End of Empire". If I am not mistaken, all episodes are on YouTube except one. It seems an agent gave an interview for the episode on Iran and accidentally (?) mentioned his employer's involvement in the 1953 coup. This was deleted from the final script.

More recently, an Iranian film maker made an another interesting documentary chasing up the details surrounding this edited script and what may have been deleted. It starred Ralph Fiennes as the agent being interviewed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_53

DeathArrow• 2 years ago

It was an accident?

r7212• 2 years ago

AP story says:

A helicopter carrying Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi suffered a “hard landing” on Sunday, Iranian state media reported, without elaborating. Some began urging the public to pray for Raisi and the others on board as rescue crews sped through a misty, rural forest where his helicopter was believed to be.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-helicopter-raisi-b483ba75e43...

Finnucane• 2 years ago

No details at all, presumably not much will be known until it is found. Presumably if Iran had even a tiny reason to blame it on an enemy, they would already be doing that.

dgellow• 2 years ago

Way too early to say, better to wait and see

djfobbz• 2 years ago

Reference: CIA

pseudosavant2• 2 years ago

The other two choppers in the convey safely landed, but they don't know exactly where the chopper crashed? Hmmm.

danielovichdk• 2 years ago

The odds are against this being an accident. On the other hand a few other presidents and ex-presidents would help us all if they disappeared in accidents

Someone• 2 years ago

The odds are against this being an accident.

What makes you think so? Looking for data, I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_and_gov.... It lists 3 helicopter accidents (one of them this year) and one helicopter bombing.

Also, weather in the region apparently isn’t good for safely flying helicopters (FTA: “He said the visibility in the mountainous and wooded area was down to only about five meters.”)

That, to me, doesn’t support a claim “The odds are against this being an accident”. Do you have data that does?

apgwoz• 2 years ago

Well, clearly, the assassins _made_ the weather difficult for helicopters so they could plausibly deny accountability like any good assassin.

ajsnigrutin3• 2 years ago

I mean.. there are a few countries that have problems with Iran and have the means to do it.

screye• 2 years ago

Somehow it's always helicopter crashes. Important people die in these crashes all the time. It's cuz they're unsafe, not malicious intent.

The Indian head of military forces, the Leicester city billionare.... those are just a couple off the top of my head.

pests• 2 years ago

Kobe Bryant, his 13 year old daughter + 7 others.

ChuffedToBits• 2 years ago

All else being the same, Iranian aircraft will actually be likelier to be involved in accidents than aircraft in similar countries, due to the unavailability of spare parts caused by western sanctions.

shashashasha___• 2 years ago

and how did you get to that conclusion? to me its odds are very much for technical failure and harah weather caused it to crash. much more logical

xenospn2• 2 years ago

50 bucks says Israel will be blamed for his death before the end of the day.

nashashmi5• 2 years ago

They dont have anything against the president.

invalidname3• 2 years ago

Except for the fact that he called for its destruction repeatedly. Provided missiles, drones, weapons and trainings to its enemies... It's speculated the Oct 7th attack was based on a direct order from Tehran due to their fear of normalization between Israel and the Saudis.

I don't think Israel did this mostly because it's subtle and the current Israeli government doesn't tend to do subtle. But I won't be surprised.

ajsnigrutin3• 2 years ago

I mean.. let's be fair.. if it was intentional, it would be one of the main two suspects.

DoctorOetker• 2 years ago

The other being the Ayatollah, given his history of constantly shuffling around people in power from different branches, and not tolerating family members in politics, in order to prevent stable institutions (or family) overthrowing him...

globalnode• 2 years ago

i would never get into a helicopter, they dont have wings! how you gonna even attempt a crash landing if things go wrong? and you cant parachute out of one with giant blades spinning above your head... part of me thinks its an IQ test.

nickburns• 2 years ago

  how you gonna even attempt a crash landing if things go wrong?

autorotation[0]. the higher the altitude, the better.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation

Jtsummers• 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation

Autorotation allows for a landing in the case of power loss, this is an old technique. It can still lead to a hard landing, but it's not totally uncontrolled.

pixard• 2 years ago

Wow TIL, thanks!

gilmore606• 2 years ago

Doing this in a trainer helicopter without doors was the most terrifying experience of my life. You don't want to do this if you don't have to.

justinclift2• 2 years ago

Meanwhile, the BBC is saying "Iran president helicopter in hard landing".

Does that seem like the BBC is well into new-speak territory these days?

xenospn2• 2 years ago

They all say that

justinclift2• 2 years ago

NY Times (the first one I saw) is saying "crashed".

jemmyw• 2 years ago

It's not new speak, hard landing is a technical term. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_landing

pseudosavant2• 2 years ago

Why is this flagged? Every major media outlet is running this story, and it isn't like the BBC is some fringe news agency.

jerlam• 2 years ago

Being flagged doesn't mean that it's untrue, it means that people feel that it doesn't meet the HN guidelines.

nextweek2• 2 years ago

It’s against the hacker news guidelines. This isn’t the forum for breaking news that you find on TV.

swat535• 2 years ago

And yet the top thread right now is from BBC regarding Russian glid bombs.

Aleksdev• 2 years ago

Crazy story, I wonder what kind of ripple effect this will cause in that region.

Iran president helicopter in hard landing – state media

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