Final design of VLC 2.0 for Mac

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by NaOH • 14 years ago

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shinratdr3• 14 years ago

Wow, I'm blown away. VLC has always has the best interface in OS X of all platforms but now the others aren't even comparable. I hope they have big things in store for the Windows & Linux interface, the lag is even more glaring now.

In case anyone is looking for a download link, here is 2.0 RC1: http://download.videolan.org/pub/testing/vlc-2.0.0-rc1/macos...

carterschonwald• 14 years ago

beyond that, its probably the most robust / flexible media player available. I've actually been using the alpha release of 2.0 for a few months now, and I've been very happy overall

jbk11• 14 years ago

Yep, we are going to work on other platforms, in the next releases...

iamcalledrob• 14 years ago

This looks rather complicated.

I'm not sure whether this is meant to be a media organiser or a media player – it looks like it may be attempting to do both, but succeeding at doing neither well.

I would have been happier if the route taken was more similar to QuickTime, pairing minimal, well considered and incredibly simple UI with VLC's bulletproof playback.

iloveponies• 14 years ago

I've been told by unnamed Apple employees that VLC is the #2 application on OS X for bug reports (the #1 being Safari). Whilst I too have had very little problems with VLC's stability - apparently the whole truth is far different.

shinratdr3• 14 years ago

To be fair, it's the number two crasher for the same reason Safari is the number one crasher.

VLC is very stable nowadays, but just like Safari tons of people use it, and people ask it to process really random and broken data without batting an eyelid. Broken or corrupted video? VLC will play it. Half downloaded file in some obscure format? VLC. Bittorrent download that only got to 75%? Yes, VLC will play it (glitching through the missing parts).

That does result in crashes, because unlike say, QuickTime which will simply refuse to play something if it doesn't like the cut of it's jib, VLC will attempt to play anything and everything you throw at it. Just like Safari will attempt to render any data you throw at it.

jbk11• 14 years ago

This is very possible seeing the number of users.

The more interesting question is: "How many bug report per launch?"

shinratdr3• 14 years ago

Give it a shot. In practice, it's not complicated. Double-clicking a file leads directly to the player window bypassing the playlist/media library.

If you launch VLC by itself, it opens that window and that window is really just a playlist with other options at the side. Honestly, try it. It's just like the old VLC but with a cleaned up interface. There are zero new features, everything you see in that screenshot would show up if you drag the corner of the controller out, albeit with a somewhat different UI. Now it just shows up by default.

As someone who basically only uses the player window and the playlist on occasion, I'm happy. They cleaned up the two most important and commonly used aspects of VLC.

smickie• 14 years ago

It looks like a media organizer with the complicated sidebar. Once you switch off that side bar (I assume you can because the second two screenshots don't have one) it looks like the good-old simple VLC player.

I think they may have just put these screenshots in the wrong order. If the simple player screenshot was placed center stage, and the sidebar / drag and drop screenshots had lower priority people would be like: "It's modern redesign of the controls, and there's a sidebar too if you fancy it."

dekz• 14 years ago

I'm currently downloading this now to make a fair comparison. I always saw VLC as I see VIM, it's an editor, it's great for editing, but it's not an IDE. My sudden though upon seeing this is something similar, VLC is a great media player, but I wasn't expecting it to become a Media Library/Organiser/Environment.

I'll offer some feedback:

   - This sidebar is useless. Once I've hidden the unwanted   items I am left with Library -> Playlist. I don't care about   Internet/My Computer/Local Network. This design only works in  iTunes because it has more to offer such as Playlists!  
   - There needs to be a way to go back to the previous gui, perhaps a 'Mini mode player'
   - Only 3 options in the Playlist/Library view of columns, "Name, Author Duration".  
   - I'm not sure why My Music/My Pictures/My Videos exists.

jbk11• 14 years ago

If you do not like the Media Library, then, don't use it. It does get on your way.

veidr• 14 years ago

More than the UI widgets, I think the key part of the interface of a video player is whether the program is smart enough to (at least offer to) resume playing a video from wherever it was when that file was last closed.

It has always slightly boggled my mind that VLC, and many other players, don't do this.

Zirro4• 14 years ago

MPlayerX (for OS X) does this, but personally I would prefer if it didn't. But that's probably because I watch a lot of short clips I'd rather have restarted, than long movies which I'd want to keep watching where I left them.

dochtman• 14 years ago

You know you can turn that off, right?

phamilton• 14 years ago

This feels like Amarok 2.0. Amarok 1.4 was great in its simplicity, then they brought in a so called UI Design Expert and the whole thing just fell apart.

pjscott• 14 years ago

I've been using the dev branch of VLC for a while now, and the complexity is very easy to ignore. It's not nearly as bad as what happened to Amarok.

Zirro4• 14 years ago

I began switching from VLC to MPlayerX for most of my media files because I liked the auto-hiding UI, showing only the video when not hovering the application. Will this be the same deal? If so, I'll switch back on release-day.

Zirro4• 14 years ago

I've tried it now, and sadly this is not the case. There also appears to be a very annoying two-second delay between using the soundlevel-controller and the level of the sound actually changing. I would love to see both of these things resolved in a release in a not too distant future. If you happen to have had certain reasons for not making an auto-hiding UI by default, please provide it as an option instead.

jbk11• 14 years ago

Yes, those things are on the track.

The important was to put back all into one Window. Now, this is done, so it can evolve correctly.

whalesalad• 14 years ago

Oh no it looks horrible.

Zirro4• 14 years ago

While I'm not saying that I don't partially agree with you, please provide your reasons for thinking so.

batista• 14 years ago

You don't seem to understand what horrible means.

schiffern• 14 years ago

As long as I can disable the Media Library I'll be fine.

I use VLC because it doesn't thrust another library organization task in front of me.

jbk11• 14 years ago

You don't need to use it. It will work fine, as before.

uptown• 14 years ago

"NB: Development of the interface wouldn't have been possible without a stipend from Google Inc. as part of Google Summer of Code 2011, which allowed me to work on it fulltime without worries."

So it's Google's fault.

jawngee• 14 years ago

The spacing is off. The gap between the maximum volume icon and the toggles on the lower left is inconsistent with the rest of the spacing in the bottom bar area, as is the spacing on the gaps between the chrome edge and the button groups (left side looks like it has a bigger gap than the right).

The search bar border should not be flush with the border of it's containing view, maybe a 3-4 pixel gap would be pleasing.

jbk11• 14 years ago

http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/

nextparadigms• 14 years ago

VLC needs quicker access to subtitles, and they need to search for subtitles on the web, like BSPlayer does it (if they already do this, then it must be hidden very well, and I'm not aware of it).

gsa• 14 years ago

SMPlayer can search opensubtitles too, it's a GUI frontend to MPlayer which can play every media you throw at it. My other favourite feature in SMPlayer is that it resumes video playback from the position you closed it.

jbk11• 14 years ago

http://addons.videolan.org/content/show.php/Subtitles+finder...

peregrine• 14 years ago

I mostly turn these features off and get rid of the boarder and controls and just have a floating video.

jphilipson22• 14 years ago

I'll be keeping that 1.X download handy. Interested to at least give this a chance.

abbott• 14 years ago

all i need is a windowless experience. minimal UI please? I've been a VLC user for 4 years until I realized I wanted a minimal UI footprint. It's video! UI is secondary.

I've been using MPlayerX, anyone else tried it?

seqastian• 14 years ago

Yea I don't even need a border or anything .. imho Quicktime has the best video player ui on OSX atm. The irony ..

shrikant• 14 years ago

Ctrl + H (at least on Windows) drops you to a "Minimal Interface". That's an option in the "View" menu as well.

Granted, it still shows a window title bar, but this is pretty minimal..

rrrazdan• 14 years ago

Can we have a better UI for subtitles? Maybe double clicking on a subtitle file automatically adds it to the current video, just like GOM. I seem to remember behavior like this on the Windows VLC. That seems to be my only peeve with VLC, as a non-native English speaker.

jbk11• 14 years ago

You can drag and drop them.

Double-clicking could be a cool idea, add it to our trac, and we'll code it.

yason3• 14 years ago

And for Linux, we need the robustness and functionality of VLC with the interface and integration of Totem.

jbk11• 14 years ago

What integration is missing?

yason3• 14 years ago

The VLC GUI is sort of a mess. I think it's QT but many QT applications look just fine in Gnome. VLC doesn't. The keyboard shortcuts sometimes work, sometimes they don't: obviously a focus thing or something. The looks is different and somehow old. Various widgets aren't standard and don't always work in a standard way. For some damn reason, VLC toggles the state of the super key which I use for many keyboard shortcuts, and this means typing text doesn't work if VLC is running. Moving back and forth is cumbersome: you just can't use the arrow keys but you have to use shift and or ctrl/alt. Those can theoretically be configured but my VLC hasn't believed my new keybindings for years. The popup menus flicker when opened during a movie and they can go really deep. Changing some settings in mid-play causes restarting the movie from beginning while some settings are lost after switching DVD titles/chapters.

There's undoubtedly a lot of functionality in VLC but I kind of prefer the way of the Gnome school: things should be simple by default, and advanced configuration can be arranged in some advanced way, if needed. For example, transcoding into a file could be just a "Save as..." with a simple selection of formats. Now it opens a complex dialog with several tabs all over. Using that monster I don't always manage to reliably produce transcoded video files with VLC that generally open in any other player, and at least I know something about video encoding and container formats. Even opening a DVD disk requires clicking through a dialog whereas Totem just... well, starts playing whatever disk happens to be in the drive.

On the other hand, the quality and robustness of VLC is outstanding. A simple, Gnome compliant GUI plugin for vlc would make it a true pleasure.

hellweaver666• 14 years ago

I don't really see the need for VLC on the Mac. I use quick time with the Perian plugin and I can play pretty most common filetypes. What does VLC offer that my current setup doesn't?

(incidentally, I rarely watch video directly on my Mac these days. I mostly stream to my xbox with Rivit or to my iPad using Air Video).

danabramov• 14 years ago

I'm staying with MPlayerX because of its non-intrusive, simple design. This toolbar too bluntly tries to mimic hardware video players, and takes worst from them.

“Play”, which is about the only useful control the toolbar except for the slider, is located in the lower left corner between two “Move” buttons. On a 17' screen, it is too easy to miss. This makes it useless. I would hate to skip a couple of scenes the moment I wanted to pause just because I missed about 16 pixels.

I can't see the point of “Stop” button. It's not a home video player. If you want to stop the video, just close the window. If you want to pause, just pause. You don't need a stop.

Then there are these “play order” buttons. Come on, do you really watch 20 videos in row? There's a YouTube for that. Useless.

Equalizer?

It's painful to see so little space left for the slider. People use toolbar to scroll through the movie! Finding the exact scene will be extraordinary difficult because unneeded buttons take most of the space.

Do an experiment. Release a beta version that tracks each click. Generate usage heat map for all controls on the toolbar. Make most used items large and simple to hit (place them in the center). Get rid of the rest.

I'm also staying with MPlayerX because of its preferences window. Last time I checked, VLC's preferences were complicated as hell, and there were three different ways of setting subtitle font, none of them working.

jbk11• 14 years ago

> I can't see the point of “Stop” button. It's not a home video player. If you want to stop the video, just close the window. If you want to pause, just pause. You don't need a stop.

No, you do not need a stop button, in your use. Stop and pause are very different for Discs and streams (and timeshifting). How do you navigate in your playlist when the video is just paused?

> Then there are these “play order” buttons. Come on, do you really watch 20 videos in row? There's a YouTube for that. Useless.

Open a folder of video or audio. You need next and previous buttons.

> Equalizer?

Audio, Music and badly recorded video.

> It's painful to see so little space left for the slider. People use toolbar to scroll through the movie! Finding the exact scene will be extraordinary difficult because unneeded buttons take most of the space.

This will be fixed in a next release, but this is already what you want in fullscreen.

> Do an experiment. Release a beta version that tracks each click. Generate usage heat map for all controls on the toolbar. Make most used items large and simple to hit (place them in the center). Get rid of the rest.

Guess what, we did it... And all the buttons that are present are very much used. Ouch!

> Last time I checked, VLC's preferences were complicated as hell, and there were three different ways of setting subtitle font, none of them working.

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss271/onenglish/vlc_prefe... does not seem complicated to me.

theone• 14 years ago

Too much of negativity...

It seems good to me ! UI is not that bad. Infact I prefer having media list in app. I anyways don't like current playlist UI (which I use often). Its better than that.

Moreover, I'd love to have some feature where I can include my media path once (it may be iTunes Media Library), and the app automatically shows files at those locations. It'd be even better if it could automatically show Movie name/thumb imdb link etc.

evilvoidhamster• 14 years ago

that looks much cleaner than previous designs. congrats.

g3orge• 14 years ago

Lately I'm using the excellent MPlayerX from the Mac App Store. It's lighter and easier.

gurkendoktor• 14 years ago

I don't understand the negativity. Am I using the same VLC 1.x as everyone else? One that has two different windows, one for controls and one for video, with the one for controls always showing a playlist? If anything, the new design de-emphasizes the playlist and reduces complexity.

Looking forward to it. I used to use Perian, but Lion's Finder does not allow one to not show previews of files anymore. Navigating through a directory of videos with the arrow keys is like walking through a minefield now. Every tap will trigger the preview generation of some bizarre video plugin and before you get to the file you want to watch, something crashes. I keep Perian uninstalled to get rid of the previews now, and use VLC for everything.

squealingrat• 14 years ago

All I need from VLC is the option to automatically save where I left off in a video so when I relaunch it, I don't have to manually navigate to where I was last.

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