Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/13/143581710/louis-c-k-reflects-on-louie-loss-love-and-life?ft=1&f=1008

by jamesbritt • 15 years ago

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jrockway4• 15 years ago

One factual error that the article makes is that DRM'd content is harder to pirate. That is simply not the case; every piece of content ever released is easily pirate-able. The only thing that DRM does is hurt legitimate users.

Also, I was kind of upset by the "letter" that the person who uploaded the torrent wrote. "Art is meant to be shared"? Why bother justifying it with something that sounds stupid when you could just say nothing or say, "I thought people might want to get it this way, so here it is". Depressing.

And finally, I never realized that Louis C.K. was so mainstream. I thought his humor appealed to me and maybe three other people. Oh well :)

yan5• 15 years ago

re: DRM, I wouldn't call it a factual error. The article didn't imply that it's not possible, it just said it was harder. And I'd argue stripping DRM (no matter how easy it is) is, is in fact harder than not bothering.

re: Popularity, I thought so too, until I had to wait on a long, long line to see him in Caroline's over two years ago. I was lucky enough to snag tickets to the Beacon theater show (that he's selling now) and it sold out in minutes. He also did 3 consecutive shows in Brooklyn, NY, tickets to which were announced the day of practically and not a single person I know got tickets (and many, many tried). I heard lines wrapping the block more than once. I've never seen this kind of commitment to a comedian.

scythe2• 15 years ago

>And I'd argue stripping DRM (no matter how easy it is) is, is in fact harder than not bothering.

But it's never, ever, necessary, not when gazillions of scene groups strip DRM from a work and upload it as soon as it hits the market, if not before; sometimes they just get hold of the studio version. It might make some obscure video games harder to pirate, since it's much harder to strip DRM from code than from data, but video? No way.

DRM makes it harder for me to put legitimate content on a device I own, but it makes it no harder to pirate that same content.

chwahoo2• 15 years ago

"One factual error that the article makes is that DRM'd content is harder to pirate. That is simply not the case; every piece of content ever released is easily pirate-able. The only thing that DRM does is hurt legitimate users."

That's hardly a "factual error". I can email an mp3 to my friend and have them play it. I can't do the same with a DRM'd song. Is that not harder? Instead I have to make extra efforts to strip the DRM or find a non-DRM'd version elsewhere. For non-technical users, it might actually be "hard" to pirate DRM'd content.

While the article could/should have taken care to make the subtle point that you allude to, I find it's phrasing less disingenuous than yours.

pyre2• 15 years ago

I think the point the parent was making is that all it takes it one person stripping the DRM and the content is on the Internet (torrents, usenet, private ftps, etc). It might not be easy to share person-to-person (for non-technical users), but if one just searches the Internet the content would be there somewhere.

scythe2• 15 years ago

>That's hardly a "factual error". I can email an mp3 to my friend and have them play it. I can't do the same with a DRM'd song. Is that not harder? Instead I have to make extra efforts to strip the DRM or find a non-DRM'd version elsewhere. For non-technical users, it might actually be "hard" to pirate DRM'd content.

If by piracy you mean the kind of content sharing that everyone has been participating in since the 1970s, then sure. But if by piracy you mean torrenting a hundred albums, then absolutely not. The only kind of 'piracy' DRM hurts is the kind everyone likes and nobody wants to ban.

ryandvm• 15 years ago

> I never realized that Louis C.K. was so mainstream. I thought his humor appealed to me and maybe three other people.

Well, he does have his own show on FX.

smackfu3• 15 years ago

FX is the home of non-mainstream comedies.

robotresearcher• 15 years ago

> And finally, I never realized that Louis C.K. was so mainstream. I thought his humor appealed to me and maybe three other people.

You've spotted his genius. Like 90s-era Nine Inch Nails or Metallica, he is the popular act that feels subversive.

Reddit has this vibe too[1]. It's worth a fortune.

[1] I know, you liked it before it jumped the shark, etc etc.

MrJagil• 15 years ago

"every piece of content ever released is easily pirate-able"

Tell that to the guys trying to crack propellerheads Reason 6.

waitwhat• 15 years ago

To save anyone else the googling: Reason 6 requires a dongle.

mukyu• 15 years ago

While it may be true that all DRM is pointless in an ideal world there are cases where it actually works.

Good counter-examples are Autodesk's products (their DRM/dongles stand up for 6+ months) or the PS3 that took years for people to be able to play pirated games.

aspir• 15 years ago

This most important piece here is that he's already broken even. Wow! I'd love to see the numbers comparing a Comedy Central production and Louis' self funded production. I bet there's countless areas of negligent spending in the CC production.

yan5• 15 years ago

First, I think what Louis is doing is amazing and am a huge fan. Having said that however, how many other comedians can pull this off? He has a very large, very dedicated audience. Likewise for music. Trent Reznor can pull off very successful self-productions, but he's also Trent Reznor.

The question is, how can you make this model scale down to lesser-known acts?

smackfu3• 15 years ago

In books, the answer is to sell eBooks priced at impulse levels, then sell thousands or millions of copies.

For instance, the #5 seller on the Kindle is a $1 book: http://www.amazon.com/Wife-by-Wednesday-ebook/dp/B005SJLB24/...

blhack• 15 years ago

Well...look at stuff like Minecraft. Notch was nobody, he just made something that people wanted.

johnthedebs2• 15 years ago

The best way to scale this down to lesser-known acts is to reduce the barriers to entry for both the comic and the audience.

More specifically, if comics had a free service or tool that allowed them to set a price, upload some content, and have a promotional site like he had for his show it could work wonders. YouTube does this pretty well, but what he's done is much better (though there's a lot of benefit to having lots of videos in one place with good discoverability). Recording and editing is also getting cheaper every day.

To lower the barrier for the audience, shows for new acts would need to be even cheaper or free. Once they build a following they can start charging more.

The iTunes model is almost certainly the one to follow here: sell it cheap and go for volume. If the content is good and the barrier is low, people will eat it up and the artists will get their fair share and more. The middlemen in this equation are really the biggest problem right now (for so many reasons).

Ryanmf3• 15 years ago

I hate this argument. So let's take it a step further.

How can this model scale down to unpopular acts? Or untalented ones? Or people who just started making art last week?

Because everyone who makes any art at all is entitled to compensation, right?

snarkyturtle2• 15 years ago

In terms of distribution, SoundCloud and YouTube is very very close to being a good alternative to centrally-run companies of old. In terms of comedy, Derrick Comedy was actually really popular even before one of their stars got on Network television, simply from uploading videos on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/derrickcomedy.

Musically, one artist that's blown up solely from releasing their own material on the internet is The Weeknd ( http://www.the-weeknd.com/) , who makes and posts songs much more often than a band on a label does (his schedule seems to be one EP every six months or so).

qdog• 15 years ago

Maybe they could do a humblemediabundle.com type of deal. (humblebundle.com sells indie game packages for whatever you want to pay).

noodle• 15 years ago

> Having said that however, how many other comedians can pull this off?

Quite a few, really. The golden example I think is Jimmy Pardo's podcast, which has been turning a tidy profit for a while now. He was pretty niche-y and not nationally known, unlike Louis, but has still created a successful business on comedy, self-production and self-distribution.

RyanMcGreal• 15 years ago

You start by spending years on the club circuit, developing your material, honing your craft, and building an audience by releasing content that your fans can share. In the short term, you make money from performing. In the longer term, you reach a point where you can make money from selling recordings.

someinternetguy• 15 years ago

I think it all comes down to marketing and advertising. In the end you may not make as much with an HBO/Comedy Central special, but would anyone know who Louis CK is without these?

It's more of a branding thing with the specials and getting your name out there. It may not payoff up front, but the deals that come after it (such as Louie, the TV show) make it well worth it in exchange for the money lost.

The trick isn't really building a platform for smaller indie people to do these sort of things, that's easy and already available widely. The trick is building a service where these smaller indie people can make it big without having to go through the big players like HBO/Comedy Central first. YouTube is on the right track and Pandora/Spotify seems to be doing this for music, they just need time to growth, because as big as YouTube is, it still doesn't have the weight and advertising ability that a channel like HBO/Comedy Central has. As the ability to sift through the junk becomes better and better via analysis of social cues/demographics, it will be easier for these sort of simple "I don't care if you pirate because it's cheap enough" models to take off for smaller people. But at that point YouTube or whoever fills that gap just becomes the next HBO/Comedy Central and the cycle repeats.

Bottom line is there's always going to be a "big wig" who owns almost all the eggs. For standup comedy it's Comedy Central and HBO. If you can make it there you're set. Maybe someday it will be the YouTube comedy channel, but someones going to always come out ahead and being the leader means you can set your own price on what you wish to pay (as HBO/Comedy Central has done here).

ddw3• 15 years ago

Not to mention he has total control over the look and presentation of the material (editing, lighting, no commercials) because it's his money.

The content provider used to pay for the special, but now comedians are paying that cost up front and then selling the rights to air it. The next step is that the comedians just distribute their material themselves. (I'm sure there's a start-up opportunity there!)

This is inevitable because comedians are realizing that podcasts, not mass media TV or radio, are the best way to reach their audience for live shows, merch and record content income. In my opinion it's also because comedians can foster engagement with their fans on a deeper level than musicians because they are talking right to them.

untog• 15 years ago

Wow! I'd love to see the numbers comparing a Comedy Central production and Louis' self funded production. I bet there's countless areas of negligent spending in the CC production.

People said the same when Radiohead self-released their album. But the problem is that both Radiohead and Louis CK have benefited from EMI and Comedy Central boosting their profile for years.

A new artist can't release their own work and achieve these levels of success.

redthrowaway• 15 years ago

>A new artist can't release their own work and achieve these levels of success.

No, but they've never been able to. They've always had to grind it out making no money in open mic nights, or starting for another artist "for the exposure". Between Youtube and the ease of self-distribution, it is now possible for artists to bypass the studio distribution deals that take such a large cut and result in higher prices for consumers and fans.

ChuckMcM• 15 years ago

Actually he said, "...And I've got the money back already. I broke even — and then some."

So not only did he break even, he has earned some additional money. And his initial statement ""I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special," says that doing comedy specials the 'regular' way earned him nothing.

Now I expect it is a bit more nuanced than that, in that he was no doubt paid an appearance fee for being in a comedy special, and he didn't put up the money to produce those specials So his "net" was the fee and opportunity cost of the time he didn't spend producing the special.

Contrast that with the one he put up on the web, he paid all the costs (although I assume the 'audience' in the special also paid to attend). The and it took some time no doubt to do the post production work and to put it up for streaming, etc. Which went up on the 10th of December and here 3 days later has broken even "plus a bit more."

Over the course of the year, more people will watch it, and while the volume goes down, the tail stretches out for literally years. He's got this material that has paid for itself and he can license it to Netflix for their streaming service, picking up a bit of change when people watch it there. He can put it up on iTunes or Amazon's video service and pick up some cash when it rolls there. And the killer?

Is he makes another 'special', and now that folks are coming to the web page he puts up for the first one, he can list them both.

Eventually (sooner rather than later) he's got a catalog of comedy bits, several distribution channels and a stready revenue stream and there isn't a 'media company' (like a Viacom or Sony) anywhere in sight.

Now someone else says "Hey man, that rocks how can I do that?" and they convert over. And two, maybe five, years from now "suddenly" everyone seems to be their own production/distribution company and a new ecosystem sprouts that helps those companies get their content to market and Netflix/Amazon/Apple are cutting deals with them directly and you and I win because we get better quality stuff and not so much of the hassles and the media companies lose.

Can't wait.

ddw3• 15 years ago

Sketched out well. I listen a lot of podcasts by comedians and they all think what Louis CK is doing is great. I'd imagine that some that aren't quite as popular as him think they can't do it too, but once they see that it isn't insurmountable it will happen more. Comics are really protective of their material and want control of it: a few months back there was a big controversy over Stitcher.com grabbing RSS feeds and putting ads on them (http://www.nerdist.com/2011/09/the-stitcher-situation/).

snarkyturtle2• 15 years ago

Except people don't do Comedy Central specials for the money, they do it to get exposure. Heralding C.K's success is like how people praised Radiohead for releasing their album independently. He already has a rabid and loyal fan base, but that's after working the comedy scene, writing for big shows, having stand-up specials on HBO. This article makes it seem like anybody can generate their own material, promote it and eventually have their own TV show, but there's a lot more to it than that.

jonknee• 15 years ago

Someone has to be first. If this goes well for Louis maybe that will make other comedians do the same. The power balance shifts. There's no reason why he can't sell material from other comedians too.

SODaniel• 15 years ago

I refuse to be described as a 'Rabid' fan. Mangy? Yes. Creepy? Certainly. But Rabid? No sir, that I am not.

cmdrreiki• 15 years ago

Even fan is already enough of an insult. I refuse to be a fanatic about anything.

JoeAltmaier• 15 years ago

What a sweet deal for Comedy Central! They've convinced everybody that somehow there's no money to pay them, they'll just have to do it for free. That sounds suspiciously convenient.

kin2• 15 years ago

Can't believe someone put it on a Torrent site with that lame excuse. His experiment is interesting and I think it works but only for acts like him. I'd like to see stats on the Humble Indy bundles I feel they follow the same model but at a smaller scale.

burgerbrain• 15 years ago

It's like when Sam Odio wrecked Jonathan's Card, there is always going to be that one jackass.

Thankfully though people can still feel good about paying for this after somebody does that.

omouse2• 15 years ago

The torrent includes a link to the "BUY THIS VIDEO" page. I paid for the video and didn't download it from his website.

I would be interested in knowing what the bandwidth costs for Louis C.K. are since the video was around 1GB. The number of torrenters was 10,000. That's 10TB of bandwidth which I imagine costs quite a bit...so those torrenters were saving him a bit of cash.

lukifer• 15 years ago

Buying the special allows you only two downloads, even if the download doesn't complete. My first try, the Wi-Fi dropped; luckily, the second worked. While waiting, I was bemused thinking that I would have a legitimate reason to torrent if it didn't go through. (Actually, I would have just bought it again, as an excuse to give the man more money. Like his bit with the veteran on the plane, I got a hit of feeling good about myself without actually having to follow through. :P)

kin2• 15 years ago

Fair enough, though I wasn't at all upset at the idea of seeding the video 'cause honestly digital distribution should be free, just the note he put with the seed felt selfish and in the context of the article did not include a link.

I understand as an alternate to downloading and getting what you paid for sure, you can seed it. But don't put it up there with a note that says the video should be free.

funkah• 15 years ago

I was surprised that he revealed yesterday in the reddit thing that he has never owned a home or had real financial security. I'm enough of a fan to know that he is definitely not rich from comedy, but I somehow figured he had made enough to own a home outright at least.

FTA: "And a friend of mine who does torrent stuff a lot says that when torrent users do buy something, they act like they're doing the greatest thing ever. ... They're saying, 'I bought something today. I paid for it. And I didn't steal it. I'm the greatest person alive.'"

I've noticed this attitude as well. It's really, really annoying.

tptacek6• 15 years ago

I've seen him live a couple times, and he's gotten up on stage and joked about how much more money he has than everyone in the entire room. I don't think he's hurting.

ramy_d• 15 years ago

he's also done the opposite the "I don't even have 'no money'" routine.

malvim2• 15 years ago

I understand where you're coming from, but we sometimes seem to forget that pretty much everything these guys say on stage is made-up material.

Of course, some might be based on fact, but let's not assume whatever he says happened to him did happen to him, or even happen at all!

Did you watch that interview about his "everything is amazing and nobody's happy" bit? He said that the bitchy guy "sitting next to him" in the plane was actually him!

JonnieCache3• 15 years ago

>joked about how much more money he has than everyone in the entire room

When comedians say things like this, it's almost always about manipulating their perceived status relative to the audience. That's why you'll see him say the opposite in other situations. It's all just playing games with status. To make different bits work, comedians either need to be perceived as higher or lower status than their audience, to garner the sympathy/revulsion needed to make the surrounding material come off properly.

EDIT: came up with a better way to state this: sometimes you need to be the underdog, sometimes you need to be an alpha-asshole.

Here is the superb Stewart Lee talking about this issue in a recent interview about his new series, which is mostly his standup:

What was Chris Morris's input as script editor?

"He really helped fix a particular problem. I noticed reviews saying that I was arrogant and condescending. I thought, 'That's interesting because it doesn't feel like that live'. In the room I'm able to fabricate some kind of struggle whereby the gig isn't quite working. I'm a lower-status character, so when you criticise someone you don't do it from a position of authority or strength - it doesn't seem arrogant."

How did Chris fix that on screen?

"I wanted some sort of device that would lower my status or make me appear to be under pressure. I spent days on end talking to Chris about different ideas to get that to work. We ended up with Armando Iannucci interviewing me throughout the series in a hostile way - criticising all the material and my role in the programme. That's cut in with all the stand-up and it works really well."

Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2-qqtvsNDI

Very few people can manipulate a room like Stewart Lee.

nostromo• 15 years ago

A little Googling led me here (http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/richest...) which estimates he's worth about $6.5mm. Who knows if it's accurate.

The "It's Always Sunny" guys as a comparison (also FX) do quite well, despite being obscure. As Louis does more seasons, I suspect he'll also become quite wealthy -- he's the only real 'talent' on the show that he stars in, writes, and directs -- which brings his share of the proceeds up dramatically.

He's really a shrewd businessman, despite the jokes about being poor (which are based on his personal experiences, so I wouldn't call them dishonest).

ff0066mote• 15 years ago

I agree that the attitude which some torrent users have (feeling good when they actually pay for things) is annoying.

However, nobody can deny that computers and the internet have irreversibly changed the game. It is simply no longer default that one must purchase information. Information doesn't want to be free, it just is free (for better or for worse).

ceol• 15 years ago

I don't believe it was ever default that one must purchase information.

AgentConundrum3• 15 years ago

Has that really been the response that this Louis C.K. video has received though? The "I'm awesome because I didn't pirate this" attitude?

I'll admit I've pirated things, and I'll admit that I did feel good about myself for buying this video. The good feeling, in my mind, had nothing to do with having paid rather than pirated. I liked that he was bucking convention, and trying his own distribution model, and the lack of DRM and just eliminating all, or as many barriers as possible. I wanted to support the effort.

He gave the public a clean product, priced it very reasonably (even cheaply), and he made a profit on it. Now, in this case the business model was 'Be Louis C.K.', and it probably wouldn't work for some up and comer, but I was actually surprised to find in this article that he had already made a profit (he said on reddit that he had yet to really push the marketing for this, so I'm assuming there will be additional profit to come for a while).

I'd absolutely love to see Louis leverage the infrastructure he's built for this experiment into something more substantial - licensing other artists to release their works themselves through his site, rolling the profits into new development, and see where it goes.

Maybe I'm just deluding myself, and I'm just masking an "I'm the greatest for not pirating this" attitude behind a veneer of "supporting new media". I don't know. I just know that torrenting this video never even occurred to me. I had heard of this experiment, and thought it was a cool idea. Then, a friend told that he'd really enjoyed it, so I gave in and threw $5 at it and laughed my ass off at the video (if you haven't seen it, I do recommend it).

evan_• 15 years ago

> Has that really been the response that this Louis C.K. video has received though? The "I'm awesome because I didn't pirate this" attitude?

Yes. I belong to a number of private trackers and out of curiosity I checked to see if it had been torrented. One has an all-out flamewar between people who bought it and people who didn't. Over a thousand downloads.

davidw• 15 years ago

> I liked that he was bucking convention, and trying his own distribution model, and the lack of DRM and just eliminating all, or as many barriers as possible. I wanted to support the effort.

So if this were ever to become the norm, would the equilibrium again shift back to people just plain grabbing stuff again, because efforts like this would not stand out any more?

OverlordXenu• 15 years ago

Nah, there's no way this is true. He has a Leica MP: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dc4zH72...), a 50mm Summilux, and a 35mm ASPH summicron.

The MP is $5000, the 50mm is $3700 and the 35mm is $3000.

Edit: Damn it, no markdown!?

lallysingh• 15 years ago

Neither is a house or a savings account. I know quite a few students with no savings and SLR cameras.

andrewfelix• 15 years ago

I bought it because it was convenient.

I also torrent because it is convenient. Price is not the issue for me.

I'm in Australia, which means I typically have to wait for something to come out on DVD before I can watch it legally. I can't purchase through amazon, and Australian distributors don't get American shows until months(sometimes years) after they're released in the States.

I feel good because I got it when it was released, and it was legal.

EDIT: PS. I love NPR

bhrgunatha• 15 years ago

I think this is a legitimate concern amd something that needs to be addressed. The internet and instant global news and information means that we are aware of the output of the entertainment industry immediately - and any attempt to stop that is just going to fail. There is no end to the technical arms race.

I remember vividly discovering that my PC's DVD-ROM drive was region-locked and that to watch anything from another region I had to allow the region to be changed and that there are was a limit to how many times I could change it.

I discovered this, being unaware of the region-locking mechanism, after buying several DVDs while travelling. It made me disproportionately angry and since then I've seen and noticed the situation getting worse and worse.

nodata• 15 years ago

Me: I want to watch the film

DVD: No. You will first watch the adverts.

cbs3• 15 years ago

I've noticed this attitude as well. It's really, really annoying.

Annoying or not, as someone who only has a job because of copyright law, its fucking really important that we're reaching these people. I'm glad that people are saying this. Its great if you can afford to support artists all the time, but a lot of people can't or don't. This shows that people are willing to pay, but only for a product that they want.

Piracy is one thing, but a matter of practicality is another. I never pirate, but other than cable TV and netflix I hardly buy any copywritten works. When I do buy something that is copywritten I do it explicitly to support the person making the art. Its good material, at good price, without DRM, yes fucking please, I like that, want to support that and is finally on terms that I can support that.

I don't care if you want to scoff at people living up to what you consider their obligations after pirating, it is a big deal to the pirate that they paid money, and its should be a big deal to the entertainment industries. Someone who steals and steals and steals but buys this special is voting with their wallet, we need to pay attention to this demographic. If they'll support Louis C. K., who else do they would support if we offered a good product at a good price? We can never get ALL the pirates to come over to the paying side, but given the way we currently enforce copyright, we could convert a good number of them into paying customers.

joshmaker• 15 years ago

From this statement by Louis CK: https://buy.louisck.net/statement

"Minus some money for PayPal charges etc, I have a profit around $200,000... This is less than I would have been paid by a large company to simply perform the show..."

If he can get over 200k for show, he may not be mega-rich by television celebrity standards, but he is doing pretty well for himself.

edit: to be clear, I don't begrudge him his success or think that he isn't entitled to sell his material for $5 a pop. I just think that making him out to be a starving artist is a mischaracterization.

rickdale• 15 years ago

this is great because illegal downloading seems like such a victimless crime, but here we have a specific victim and so the 'crime' all of the sudden has drastically changed in scope.

gospelwut4• 15 years ago

Wow, everything about HN really is the opposite of Reddit.

joejohnson• 15 years ago

I know. HN is so cool. And people here never point that out, unlike that lame circle-jerk Reddit.

_delirium3• 15 years ago

I assumed it was sarcastic, since posting about Louis CK all the time for the past 5 years is sort of Reddit's thing.

mcantelon• 15 years ago

Louis CK is a pretty interesting dude. I was quite surprised when in his Reddit AMA he revealed he did the video editing on the comedy special. Pretty awesome.

chris_gogreen• 15 years ago

What exactly does he mean he's never seen a check, he does TV specials for free?

S_A_P• 15 years ago

it means that he gets paid a small advance, does the show, and then the networks collect all the dvd and merch sales and dont give him any royalties...

BeSublime• 15 years ago

I was listening to this today to and from lunch, and can't wait to catch the whole thing later. I wanted to share it with the redditers and imgur LCK fans, so I'm glad its this high on the HN list because that means they've probably are all reading/hearing it like I'd hoped. I hope it continues to get spread and discussed.

Unrelated note: Awesome to hear that he listens to Fresh Air regularly. More people need to know that NPR and APM aren't just for weirdos and boring old folks. I'm 27 and love NPR, and although I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it in high school, I do wish I had discovered it wayyyy earlier in my life.

rohwer• 15 years ago

On the WTF Podcast by Marc Maron, he explains how his terrible buying habits with an Amex black card, including a new Mercedes, a sojourn at the Ritz, and a brass instrument, led to his inability to get a credit card for many years.

He basically lost his way after comedy clubs closed in the late 80's and had to reinvent himself. Youtube his old "I have a peach" routine to understand his reinvention. Here is a version of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZfVCSzEw0

alf• 15 years ago

I like Louis C.K., was made aware of his new video through this posting, and just bought the video, but I don't think this belongs on HN.

abrichr• 15 years ago

"What to Submit ... anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." [1]

[1] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

un1xl0ser• 15 years ago

So how do I buy it without Paypal? Oh well. Maybe that can be the next battle.

Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"

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