The Making Of Grand Theft Auto (1996) [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vWSi44ZTSw

by chha • 4 years ago

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bonoboTP3• 4 years ago

It's crazy to see all these interviews from >25 years ago. Everything is calmer, people are more soft-spoken, they think before they speak. They come across as some mix of wholesome, endearingly naive and balanced, genuine etc (it's the tone of voice, the facial expressions, the body language, everything). compared to the media frenzy today, including the shouting grimacing screaming youtubers, the constant crisis mode, everyone putting on an act etc.

I'm not saying the world had no problems, I was alive, I know it wasn't paradise. But the contrast is always noticable whenever I watch old footage, eg asking people's opinions on the street etc. Or there was also a video about some friends having fun at Disneyland and it all seemed much calmer than today.

corford• 4 years ago

Definitely. It often feels a lot more calmer and thoughtful e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMPr0UZObY (came up as a recommendation after watching the article video)

bonoboTP3• 4 years ago

Or this Stallone interview (also YT recommendation) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFlybZL1mWE If a movie star went into that contemplative mode today, the interviewer would feel some kind of awkward tension and would immediately crack a joke or somehow lift up the conversation back to the surface level. You only get this stuff now on podcasts.

As for your video, just imagine uttering the words "complex mathematics" today unironically in an entertainment-related interview. The interviewer would have to immediately ironically say something like "oh, you lost me there" or something like "you're such a wizard, I can't even file my taxes" or so. Somehow genuineness and any level of seriousness is seen as kryptonite for the media today.

deepsun2• 4 years ago

Sounds similar to ever-increasing sweetness of soda drinks: if your drink has 3% more sugar than competitor, it just "tastes better". So the market gradually falls into super-sweet.

dncornholio• 4 years ago

Today, it is important to act you have 1000% more fun than the person before. Dude, you're just having a few beers with friends and you act like you just got married.

xdfgh11122• 4 years ago

A good argument for sugar tax, even if a lot of people complain about it.

deepsun2• 4 years ago

And confidence. Nowadays everyone look super-confident.

wolverine8763• 4 years ago

The word 'con' in 'con game' is short for 'confidence'. People seem to have learned from the con-in-chief (among others, like the personality cult business people), even those who told me they hated him.

Cloudef• 4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxSdWhkMB_A You may like this too

jl6• 4 years ago

Maybe the difference is that in 1996 games were still somewhat nerd-niche rather than mass media. If you look at mainstream interviews of the time with, say, pop stars, I think you see the same kind of hype/glaze/insincerity. The person sinks beneath the brand.

bowsamic• 4 years ago

Are you sure it isn’t just that they’re British? I think a lot of the intensity came from the US. When I grew up in the UK, we used to joke about Americans being insane and loud, but now we are copying them…

neilv• 4 years ago

"Susan Kare explains Macintosh UI ergonomics on the Computer Chronicles (1984)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_q50tvbQm4

She's demonstrating something pretty new and significant to a lot of people.

Maybe software job interviews have followed a related arc, to amped-up performance art rituals and shibboleths, from genuine meaningful down-to-earth conversation.

enw• 4 years ago

This is very soothing. I feel like I'm being cradled by calm, intuitive, thoughtful UX.

RGamma3• 4 years ago

(In American media, but also elsewhere) It was calmer than today but it has become pointless to lament the loss of serenity in an age where attention spans are measured in days/few weeks and no voices speak above the loudest (I have tried many times, but got drowned by the social media opinion tsunami). It crushes the soul and it has spread.

Heck, it's like those who are sensitive to this phenomenon have left or got sucked into it (sadly this includes me at times) and those who remain have no idea what has even happened (generally speaking).

Like when we used to say, woah this whole social media thing is a giant experiment, wonder whether that'll go well. Yeah, apparently 90% didn't wonder; they just did.

P.S. my earlier comment is an instance of this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31270985

wolverine8763• 4 years ago

it has become pointless

That's certainly a trendy thing to say today, about everything. I'm interested in what we are going to do. People who say it's hopeless are present for every problem in every time.

Jimmy• 4 years ago

I agree. People will be quick to say that that’s just your nostalgia talking, but taken to an extreme, that argument would entail that culture and patterns of behavior never change, which is equally implausible.

semanticist• 4 years ago

Context is important: this was a piece for the BBC's 'Working Lunch' business news programme which went out at lunchtime on BBC 2. This is before 24-hour news channels and endless competition for attention. In 1996 there are four terrestrial TV channels in the UK, most people don't have access to satellite or cable TV, and as for video over the internet? QuickTime is at version 2, and downloading videos over my 14.4k modem wouldn't have been viable even if there'd been anything to download.

And despite that competitive market, almost no one is watching Working Lunch. It's daytime TV, so the majority of people are either working or in school, and the remaining unemployed/retired probably aren't interested in a slightly-more-laid-back format business news programme, and are likely just waiting for Neighbours on BBC 1.

(I was 16 when this was broadcast, and I regularly used Working Lunch as a marker for if I'd been up too late or should go to bed, probably more so a couple of years later than in 1996, but the style is very familiar even all these years later!)

kingcharles3• 4 years ago

In 1996 no-one expected to ever be recorded on video or to appear on a screen. I was doing a big game for Eidos at the same time as DMA were doing GTA and we were photographed and interviewed once for a Polish video game magazine.

I'm always struck by the line in Back to the Future where Doc says he understands why the president in 1985 is an actor. Everyone is walking around with a portable TV studio. We've all become much more used to being recorded, or recording ourselves, on an almost daily basis. We also watch other ordinary people in videos all day. And our children grow up constantly on camera. We have changed how we act when a lens is pointed at us. In the DMA video everyone is nervous as fuck as most of them have never been interviewed before.

bennysomething• 4 years ago

I've worked in Scotland, I think it's just that Scots are pretty reserved and private by nature.

GlennS• 4 years ago

Still gutted they never made Grand Theft Auto: Weston-super-Mare.

midasuni• 4 years ago

When the 1969 expansion came out it too was rated 18. I was 16, went into Manchester and bought it. Felt like a rebel.

Then on the metro back with my child ticket (valid upto the age of 15) I got stopped. My friend didn’t even have a ticket and he got fined, but they let me off as I at least had a ticket.

Felt like such a rebel that day.

kingcharles3• 4 years ago

You could play it for real any night in WSM :)

Plus, if the tide was way out you could take your stolen motor down on the sands for some donuts. Not that I'd know anything about that....

tombot• 4 years ago

There's a longer documentary released by noclip Dec 2021 which expands on some of the history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7FqNa5rD0

lostgame• 4 years ago

Thank you! I lamented greatly how short the clip was. When I saw it was only 6min I almost didn't bother watching it - how the hell in-depth can a 6 minute video be...

djmips• 4 years ago

The interviewer's favorite things to say was "We'll let you get on with it." before he'd really dug into anything. It's funny how these early interviews in the history of gaming from the mass media almost always have a winking sarcasm and contempt for what these nerds are doing.

ofrzeta• 4 years ago

The interviews are ok but I don't like it when the filmmaker shows up gesticulating wildly. I guess that's how people are doing it these days but I'd rather have my off-camera commentary.

fgh• 4 years ago

A long time ago, I found a website with a description of how the 2.5d engine of GTA works. Would anybody here maybe remember where that was posted and could provide an URL?

rzzzt• 4 years ago

Not quite what you are looking for, but if you like long-form programming videos, javidx9 constructs a similar game engine in an hour or so in "Top Down City Based Car Crime Game": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6b_hP17WI

rasz• 4 years ago

Grand Theft Auto: The Complete History - SGR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX0Fk8ZOXXA had a funny analogy - imagine a sprite fighting game (or just play Street Fighter 2) with 2D background but perspective corrected floor https://sf2platinum.wordpress.com/ Its a neat case of pseudo 3D with constant Z planes like in Doom, no need for division per pixel to fix perspective means fast.

corysama• 4 years ago

For more vids like this, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMakingOfGames/

Pr0ject217• 4 years ago

Thank you!

dilyevsky• 4 years ago

Love the patronizing tone! So 90s

jamal-kumar• 4 years ago

I cracked up at "Now you might think Darren here has gone completely mad..."

sgt• 4 years ago

A gurrl working in this place with only boys! Well, how did YOU end up with this job then?

fancyfredbot• 4 years ago

I really enjoyed the patient explanation that no, they play games in their lunch hour but what they get paid for is developing games which is what they do the rest of the day.

MomoXenosaga• 4 years ago

GTA was so cool. Peak 90s edge. Nintendo was for kids PlayStation was going for the teenagers/young adults.

leakbang• 4 years ago

For those interested: The Design Behind Grand Theft Auto 3

https://youtu.be/qUI0moGiNuw

mdb333• 4 years ago

huh... never knew they were the same shop responsible for Lemmings. what an awesome bunch!

YPPH• 4 years ago

The thing that I can't get my head around is how they could iteratively test their code given the (presumably) slow speeds of compilers back in the day.

In other words, how did they write code and make sure it worked as expected?

Surely you couldn't be recompiling the game every 10 seconds. Was there a strategy employed?

mordechai9000• 4 years ago

I haven't watched the video, but isn't the strategy usually to compile source files into object files, and then link them together into executables and DLLs? So you would only recompile the source file you're working on, and just relink, much faster than recompiling everything.

psyklic• 4 years ago

In addition to this, it wasn't typical to test your code every ten seconds. A good programmer can write a significant piece of functionality and have it work reasonably well right away (and even start on the next item while it's compiling!).

dannyking• 4 years ago

Relevent xkcd: https://xkcd.com/303/

dehrmann• 4 years ago

Make has been able to detect modified files for at least 20 years. As long as your changes are fairly isolated, if the project is structured well, you'll only have a few files to compile, then you re-link. Or use actual libraries that are dynamically linked.

The Making Of Grand Theft Auto (1996) [video]

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