Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

https://releases.ubuntu.com/21.10/

by cardz • 5 years ago

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torstenvl• 5 years ago

Release notes: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...

apple4ever• 5 years ago

Thank you that is what I really wanted to read.

Avalaxy• 5 years ago

Excited for the new changes that kernel 5.12 and 5.13 bring. Especially NVidia+Wayland and the hotplugging of AMD GPUs. Let's hope NVidia will follow soon with this functionality (but I doubt it).

ehutch79• 5 years ago

is the hotplugging for external gpus, over thunderbolt or something?

bingohbangoh• 5 years ago

piggy-backing -- is there a use case for hotplugging of GPUs?

jikbd• 5 years ago

Thank God it’s the end of that hippo wallpaper that looked like a pair of hairy bollocks.

u10242• 5 years ago

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release.

Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

3np• 5 years ago

Welcome back! I think it was 20.04 that really did it for me.

That being said, in general 21.10 looks like a good incremental update.

evrflx• 5 years ago

Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.

monsieurgaufre• 5 years ago

In the release notes (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...):

The deb package remains available in the archive and will continue receiving updates for the lifetime of Ubuntu 21.10.

shaicoleman2• 5 years ago

You can also use the Flatpak version:

https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox

jraph• 5 years ago

Mozilla's own tarballs.

Barrin92• 5 years ago

you can always just download it from the website, unpack it and make a .desktop file or put a symlink under ~/bin or whatever

ahartmetz• 5 years ago

Possibly getting Firefox from Debian Sid (unstable). Will require some advanced apt configuration to make sure that nothing else accidentally comes from sid, and might break or require further apt configuration changes if it starts requiring library versions that aren't in Ubuntu.

I use Ubuntu and I sometimes install Debian Sid packages by downloading them in a browser and installing them with dpkg.

blacksmith_tb• 5 years ago

I uninstalled the snap, then did apt install firefox, worked fine. In principle I am all in favor of more sandboxing for my browser, but when I opened FF on the machine I'd upgraded to Impish, it didn't import anything, open tabs, bookmarks, nada. Not what I'd call friendly onboarding...

heroxbd2• 5 years ago

You can migrate to Debian if possible. Ubuntu was a derivative from it.

heroxbd2• 5 years ago

You can try Debian, from which Ubuntu was derived. No snap.

drcongo• 5 years ago

As someone whose only experience with linux is servers and Raspberry Pi, can you tell me what's wrong with snaps? I've only used them on a self-hosted NextCloud and my experience with them has been decent, but I see a lot of dislike for them on HN.

chomp• 5 years ago

There's pros and cons. It helps developers because they aren't restricted to the distro's shipped library versions, they can build against what they need. It also confines the app to a sandbox. The downsides are that the packages end up larger because they ship with all of the necessary bundled libraries (which can also increase memory usage of the application because it can't share the libraries loaded in RAM by the native operating system), and there's a lack of trust that the developer can keep up with bundled library security updates.

makeworld• 5 years ago

Background daemon that takes up CPU, proprietary store, slow startup, and automatic updates in the background. Flatpak is much better if you need some sort of sandboxing, or updates outside what your distro can provide.

empiricus• 5 years ago

I had some issues with one app not reading its config file, and wanted to strace it to see if it finds the config or not. Big surprise, cannot strace snap apps..

sliken2• 5 years ago

My complaints (not looked real recently though):

Snaps are Ubuntu specific and the server side/repo is closed source.

Snaps pollute the df/mount points with per snap lines.

They rolled out in a LTS release with minimal testing. Caused quite a few problems like not being able to boot as multiple snaps drained /dev/random (instead of /dev/urandom) and waited on more entropy, which was god awful slow since the boot hadn't finished.

There was no automatic cleanup of older snaps.

Generally it just seemed like a silly proprietary setup that Canocial tried to claim had wide industry support, despite not having that support. I'm not against the ideas, but why not docker? Flatpak? AppImages?

jgb19843• 5 years ago

As a 20+ years Debian user I've never seen the added value of Ubuntu. Why use a derivative if you can get the real thing?

BiteCode_dev8• 5 years ago

It works out of the box for most hardware, install proprietary things easily, including drivers and codecs, and have more up to date softwares. It also have lots of usability tweaks.

You can, have all that with debian, but then you have to do the work.

I don't want to do the work if canonical can do it for me.

CarelessExpert3• 5 years ago

First and foremost, package recency.

If you run stable, which is released as snapshots ala Ubuntu, the packages are ancient.

If you run testing, which is a rolling distro ala Arch, they're a lot newer and pretty solid, but security updates lag.

If you run unstable, which is also rolling, things can (rarely) break.

Additionally, Ubuntu has decided to incorporate non-free software and drivers right into the base product, which gives a better out-of-the-box experience. In Debian this is all opt-in and requires a bit more effort.

Now, I run Debian testing on my laptop, and I'm a huge fan of the distribution, not the least because Debian is the bedrock on which at least a half a dozen other distros are built. But I can acknowledge that their more conservative approach to packaging does have its downsides.

MikeKusold• 5 years ago

Ubuntu has a 10 year LTS support cycle and Debian has only 5 years.

While I often rebuild my servers much more frequently than that, it is nice to know that I could neglect things for a decade.

xet76• 5 years ago

For Docker base image I use:

- If I use Debian, security scan at Quay.io shows included packages have vulnerabilities

- If I use Ubuntu, security scan at Quay.io shows included packages do not have vulnerabilities

BiteCode_dev8• 5 years ago

In their mind it makes sense: firefox is a user facing app that is frequently updated and requires a lot of dependencies. Perfect candidate for a snap.

But yeah, up to now, snaps really sucked, and flatpak is winning.

andrewshadura• 5 years ago

I've just completed apt upgrade -t testing on my pre-release impish. Good to be back again.

zmk52• 5 years ago

I don't notice a difference since upgrading from the deb to the snap.

ur-whale• 5 years ago

And Firefox is a snap package now

Oh, ouch!

tored• 5 years ago

Oh, snap!

fastaguy88• 5 years ago

It makes me a bit nervous to go to the main page and be told that there are three types of images, and then only see two listed.

BiteCode_dev8• 5 years ago

I've been fighting to keep Unity as long as I could, but it's now breaking too often so I accepted my gnome shell fate. It requires 10 plugins, one app, and manually crafted .desktop files to be usable, but ok, it's free software, I'll adapt.

I understand the rational to also push for wayland first now, but it breaks my workflow for things like autokey. We do need to move from X11, but once again, something I will have to work with.

And now Firefox is a snap, which is slow, has permissions problems all around (guaranteed the sandbox will break some addons), takes a lot of space, etc. Again, I get it, it's a perfect candidate to push the tech, and they need to solve user facing apps distribution problem with linux.

I like Ubuntu a lot. I donate to it. I don't want to migrate to Manjaro or something else. Ubuntu is the sweet spot for things working out of the box.

But with 21.010, I really feel like at least moving to Elementary or PopOS right now. Tried them, the first one can't install (EFI partition is too small), the second breaks on my machine.

I don't like KDE, so I guess, next is Xubuntu? Something else?

nsonha2• 5 years ago

Isn't pop also gnome? You can install pop shell which is an extension. It adds tiling, which isn't for everyone.

I'm like you don't like the fact that defaul gnome is so bad that I need a bunch of extensions. But I don't like KDE either, looks so inconsistent, too much pointless blurring and animation. However, I guess other choices are worse because they would have some other flaws that you can't even find extensions to work around.

BiteCode_dev8• 5 years ago

I tried to install the pop shell, but it worked out badly. Those distro are not made to just have the DE installed after the installation of Ubuntu. Something always breaks.

You have to install from the official .iso

gavinray• 5 years ago

Pop!_OS just published 21.10 beta yesterday so you're in good luck.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/q6xvv0/pop_os_2110_...

Having nothing but great things to say about this distro. Favorite Linux distro I've used.

muterad_murilax• 5 years ago

Perhaps Ubuntu Mate with Mutiny?

BiteCode_dev8• 5 years ago

Is that still maintained ? It was an experiment in 16.04 right?

zmk52• 5 years ago

Updated a bit ago and it is a fantastic release so far. Yaru is very mature by now and the speed improvements for animations in Gnome 40 are very evident.

websap3• 5 years ago

Canonical has been doing some great work with Ubuntu. Though now I wonder if the desktop Linux is dead. With WSL rapidly improving with each release, how many devs really want to deal with the configuration of a Linux system?

beepbooptheory• 5 years ago

I will sooner give up computers forever than be either locked into a linux VM on Windows, or locked into expensive hardware with the other one

websap3• 5 years ago

When was the last time you used WSL? Also, what's your dev tool chain?

capableweb• 5 years ago

Obviously, if a developer sees it as "deal with the configuration" then no, go with macOS, Windows or any other zero-config operating systems. But many see that part as a feature, not something to "deal with", and for those Linux is rescue in a sea of the infantilization Apple and Microsoft engage with.

xet76• 5 years ago

Oh, I really wish macOS and Windows were more zero-config.

On Linux, I can install many dev tools at once. It's easiest to dev on Linux. Harder on Windows. Hardest on macOS. Yes, I did spend many hours debugging macOS to show local website at work.

macOS and Windows shows all kinds of extra confirmation questions if I try to run executeable I compiled.

pxc2• 5 years ago

macOS, Windows or any other zero-config operating systems

??? Windows and Mac are way more work to set up than Linux because they fundamentally lack systems for managing software comparable to a decent package manager. Everything is a manual, pointy-clicky nightmare, sometimes lightly papered over with hacky hodgepodges like Chocolatey or supplemented with third party tools that are a bit better on macOS but still have to fight against an indifferent base system that cyclically breaks them (Nix, Homebrew), but ultimately still a mess.

sagarm• 5 years ago

This comment made me laugh out loud. There's no way I'd prefer Windows + WSL to a proper Linux install. I can't stand my OS trying to advertise to me, Windows is a PITA to install/maintain, and I strongly prefer the Gnome UX to Windows (or Mac).

With the Steam deck motivating developers to get their games running on Linux (mostly via Wine), with better performance, I see the opposite potential. Linux share on Steam has been steadily growing.

To be fair Linux on laptops is still occasionally problematic from a battery life POV, but we're often comparing community support to vendor official support not just the operating systems. Increased motivation from vendors to support Linux should help round out hardware support.

xet76• 5 years ago

Windows 10 has EOL End Of Life (EOL) on October 14, 2025.

Windows 11 does run only on limited amount of hardware.

Because of covid, availability of hardware is limited anyway.

Old Mac and Windows computers do not run newest macOS and Windows anymore. So I have installed Linux

Factory customers etc don't want to deal with Windows on factory floor anymore, so they are porting software to Gambas on Linux.

Usage of desktop Linux is increasing all the time.

est31• 5 years ago

I think the linux marketshare among devs is still increasing, even with WSL available. WSL is in fact one of Microsoft's attempts to lure back developers to their OS, or never make them switch.

For some folks, like you, this might actually work. But they've lost me as a user since more than a decade and I doubt I'll come back out of my own volition. Even with WSL, Windows is full of bloat, slowness, and I am fully exposed to Microsoft's user-harming antipatterns.

websap3• 5 years ago

Maybe, I'm a minority on HN, but I want my OS to be as transparent as possible while I do my work. Each time I login, I don't want to be greeted with Audio doesn't work, or your email client broke because Outlook Server changed something. My hunch is low code or no code users are also similar, if someone uses Python for some data wrangling tasks, they don't want to deal with a full fledged Linux installation.

My developer tool chain generally involves writing backend services. I made a toy project using WSL and VSCode's remote extension and the experience was almost seamless. I was able to get Docker to work, installed GoLang, built my services, use the terminal to push code.

jimbob45• 5 years ago

I feel the opposite way. What does Windows have to justify the thousands of dollars necessary to put Windows on every machine in my organization outside of its deadeye security updates team?

bobince• 5 years ago

The reason I run desktop Linux isn't because it has a particular feature I want. It's to get away from all the Windows features I don't want — bloat, bundleware, ads, telemetry, forced AV, forced cloud features, forced reboots...

So WSL doesn't help me, really.

Flimm• 5 years ago

For those using ZFS, don't install or upgrade to Ubuntu 21.10. It contains a known issue that causes filesystem corruption if using ZFS.

See the release notes and search for "ZFS": https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...

Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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