New Tesla Roadster delayed again, now shooting for 2023

https://uk.motor1.com/news/530472/tesla-roadster-delayed-2023/

by nixass • 5 years ago

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pbreit2• 5 years ago

Did anyone ever figure out if Cybertruck is delayed to 2022 or just that orders placed now would fulfill in 2022?

dexterdog• 5 years ago

I will be impressed if they deliver any in 2022.

blendergeek• 5 years ago

Prepare to be impressed.

Animats2• 5 years ago

Somehow, I suspect that the Ford Motor Company will be able to deliver electric trucks that work. They kind of have some experience with trucks.

Animats2• 5 years ago

“you will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in 2022.”[1]

Rivian is frantically trying to IPO for $80 billion during September. If possible, before they actually ship any trucks.

Meanwhile, Ford is coming out with the electric Ford F-150. They have 70,000 pre-orders. Also, the boring but useful Ford Transit commercial van is going electric.

[1] https://electrek.co/2021/08/07/tesla-confirms-cybertruck-ele...

giantg23• 5 years ago

Isn't Rivian partnered with Ford?

martythemaniak2• 5 years ago

Ford seems even more battery constrained than Tesla. Currently on track to ship 15,000 F150L units in 2022, up to 85k/year in 2024.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-f-150-lightning-production...

Rivian, Hummer, Ford and Tesla will all ship electric trucks next year, but sadly none of them in large numbers.

Element_• 5 years ago

I think the F150 Lightening has 130k reservations now: https://twitter.com/mrlevine/status/1433425758307770380

01100011• 5 years ago

I saw a Rivian driving down the 280 a few weeks ago so I think they're getting close.

hinkley3• 5 years ago

I recall in the Jobs era of Apple that a lot of people bought a lot of products that were knockoffs of Apple products with the Apple-ness toned down. People really enjoyed those products and they wouldn’t necessarily have had them if someone hadn’t gone first.

I’m not comparing Elon to Steve, but I think with the possible exception of SpaceX much of what I appreciate about Elon is as a goad or a foil for other people to respond to.

He’s not actually making the electric F-150, but isn’t he really? In a way?

Syonyk2• 5 years ago

Provided "2022 is not mega drama."

In other words, "No."

We've pretty much broken the global supply chains with the pandemic, the responses to it, and everything else as the wheels of our global industrial civilization start grinding to a halt.

Even the "big boys" are struggling - Toyota has cut production roughly in half because they can't get chips. GM just announced they are shutting down most of their North American plants for two weeks because... they can't get chips.

Supply chains are broken. Basic electronic components, basic microcontrollers, are listed many places as "We don't have any, we don't know when we'll have any, don't ask" (coded as "52 week lead time" - I assume that's the maximum the system supports). You can't rely on getting stuff, and if you do get it, you can't rely on getting the same stuff in a month. This is before getting into any of the various global events that could really put a crimp on chip supplies...

Just once, I'd love to see Tesla be honest. "We have no idea if we're ever going to be able to make these at this point."

s53002• 5 years ago

"We have no idea if we're ever going to be able to make these at this point."

Didn't they essentially just say something close to this in corporate speak?

It seems quite clear that they have every intention to make them, as soon as they're quite literally able to do so from a supply chain perspective.

I currently have 9 month lead times from near every contactable company in the world for some simple polyurethane products. If polyurethane production is that backed up and having to prioritize its largest customers with existing contracts... it's somehow not too hard for me to think that there might be some real trouble with materials for the roadster, especially given the fact they're trying to make something selling for roughly $250k that puts $1MM+ competitors to shame.

trenning• 5 years ago

Just once, I'd love to see Tesla be honest. "We have no idea if we're ever going to be able to make these at this point."

But Elon said it'll all blow over by May (2020). Hard to admit you're wrong when your personality is built around always being right.

On a less cynical note, it's a cool car and I hope it gets built.

_s• 5 years ago

I’m not a Elon Musk fan at all, but I thought it’s well known to pretty much add a factor of 10x to whatever his timelines or estimates are?

Though I would disagree with his personality built on being right - it’s built on being a futuristic visionary problem solver. Whether he’s actually solving problems, and whether they even need to be solved, that’s up for debate.

traskjd• 5 years ago

The irony of a developer website where everyone is pissed at somebody else's inability to do good estimates.

ngngngng2• 5 years ago

your personality is built around always being right.

Amazing how effective this is. There is a C level executive at the Unicorn I work at that tweets Musk daily asking him for help or advice, of course getting no response. It's as if it's some sort of daily prayer.

tablespoon• 5 years ago

But Elon said it'll all blow over by May (2020). Hard to admit you're wrong when your personality is built around always being right.

If that's how Elon Musk thinks, he really needs to read that website that compiled all his broken promises (and how overdue he was).

Though, who knows, he might be so delusional that it wouldn't have any effect (e.g. like Trump seems to be).

mlindner• 5 years ago

But Elon said it'll all blow over by May (2020).

So did a lot of people, including myself. I wasn't expecting people/government to react the way they did.

nradov• 5 years ago

Some auto manufacturers have already removed electronic features so that they can continue building vehicles with fewer chips.

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/amid-chip-shortagegm-removes-st...

martythemaniak2• 5 years ago

This is true in general, but probably not for the Roadster. This is a low-volume, likely money-losing Halo product. They only ever made ~2500 of the original roadsters, and at quarter mil a pop, probably won't have a substantially larger run for these.

Main problem here is that the new Plaid has made this kinda irrelevant. The marketting pages for both the Model S and the Roadster list the same 0-60 times. They pretty much have to do that whiz-bang cold thruster magic they've talked about if they want this car to make any sense at all.

I suspect, most of all, that they don't have the capacity to make this many models in parallel - Plaid X, structural battery 3 and Y, cybertruck, semi. They're just not that large of a company. Sucks for car fans, but probably better for their bottom line if they just concentrate on their current offerings.

Sohcahtoa822• 5 years ago

Yeah, Model S Plaid is likely going to cannibalize sales from the Roadster for customers like me that just want a car with a ridiculous 0-60 time because accelerating like that from stop lights is fun as hell.

The only reason I don't have an S Plaid now is because the Model 3 Performance I'm driving now is already a larger feeling car than I want to drive. The Model S is a full-sized sedan, and I'd rather drive a 2-door coupe like my BRZ was. Also, being a convertible would be pretty sweet.

BoorishBears• 5 years ago

I'm still waiting for the cold air thruster version that defies tire technology.

It'd be one thing if it was a joke for the presentation but Musk has doubled down on it...

perl4ever• 5 years ago

I mean, you could prefer a smaller, lighter, better handling vehicle even if it doesn't have more horsepower. That's traditionally what a sports car was.

I'm sure the Plaid model S is faster than an MG TC too.

gremloni• 5 years ago

The big thing you’re ignoring is that Elon promised 1000+ miles range on the roadster. The Model S is nowhere near that range.

asdff2• 5 years ago

what even is the issue with manufacturing? is it labor still? You would think at this point the virus has came and went through most working class neighborhoods and a lot of people are carrying antibodies and no longer all finding themselves too ill to work at once. At least that's the case when we look at working class neighborhoods in the U.S.

rootusrootus• 5 years ago

For the chip shortage, I thought it was related to water supply? But that the water shortage is passed, and now it's a matter of catching up.

But that's just what I've heard, I may be misinformed.

skybrian• 5 years ago

I’m not sure if you mean Tesla or manufacturing in general. But it’s not labor in general. It’s specific problems in specific places, and supply chains have dependencies on those places.

For example, Vietnam just went into lockdown. Less than 3% of the population is vaccinated.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/tangled-v...

quest88• 5 years ago

Is this a supply chain problem or a elon problem?

https://elonmusk.today/

coldtea• 5 years ago

Still waiting for SpaceX to go to Mars?

adamkittelson• 5 years ago

I did some quick googling and reservations for a signature 2020 roadster were able to be placed as of November 2017 for $50,000. At that time Tesla's stock price was around $60. (I'm assuming that price is adjusted for the stock split that occurred, correct me if I'm wrong.)

As of right now the stock is about $730. Had one purchased Tesla stock instead of reserving a roadster in 2017 it would now be valued at around $600k which is enough to buy 2 roadsters and change at $250k each. Who knows where it will be in 2023. If I recall correctly reserving a signature Model X was a similarly terrible investment vs buying the stock.

bitexploder• 5 years ago

Reservations were novel early on, but now I just don’t think they make any sense.

duped• 5 years ago

Reservations and preorders are just interest free loans

3pt14159• 5 years ago

I've done the same type of math over buying Apple gear and working for income vs buying Apple stock and just hanging out in Thailand or Chile teaching English on the weekends.

Predicting the future is hard. Tesla almost went bankrupt multiple times. It's ok to have a car instead of a retirement.

Seanambers2• 5 years ago

Every time I buy Apple products I spend the same amount on AAPL. Yes it gets expensive, but so far its been a very good investment - i wouldn't actually call it a strategy - method..

Since its very expensive - I don't buy as much hardware as I otherwise probably would.

fotta• 5 years ago

I mean, isn't buying a car a terrible investment in general? Reserving a Mach E is a similarly terrible investment vs buying Ford stock.

toast0• 5 years ago

A pile of money doesn't get me from point A to point B (well, I guess if you give a small part of the pile to someone selling transport, it might).

Much better investments in terms of transportation are available than flagship electric vehicles, however.

vmception• 5 years ago

And if you bought a $50,000 reservation and an additional $25,000 worth of Tesla OTM call LEAP options you’d probably have closer to $10,000,000

Who cares about that thought process just focus on making money and never run out

browningstreet2• 5 years ago

I remember buying a car in 2000 in Europe -- walk into small dealership with almost no cars, place order, wait a good bit of time for it to arrive.

I thought, "Sure do like that American way of buying a vehicle that's already on the lot."

And here I sit with reservations for an electric F-150 and a Tesla vehicle, and it's hard to know when either will actually be available for delivery.

hinkley3• 5 years ago

You know back in the Reagan era I recall the grownups lambasting the communists because if you wanted a car you had to go on a waitlist.

A waitlist! Can you imagine the indignity of a waitlist?

Andys2• 5 years ago

I needed a new vehicle earlier in the year, and the forums suggested I'd be waiting several months. Instead, I used a commercial broker. Didn't get to choose the colour, but one arrived (to my doorstep) in 2 weeks. So it seems just like in communist times there are waitlists for some and not others?

colordrops• 5 years ago

The F-150's range is not great - how do you plan to use the vehicle?

browningstreet2• 5 years ago

What makes you say that?

The stated ranges for the trucks include towing a load. Without the load, the range increases quite a bit.

I'll mostly use it for family adventuring -- weekend skiing, camping, cycling.

giantg23• 5 years ago

I'd love to see them do a small, striped down, cheap car for AutoX and track nights. I guess battery costs are the real issue.

fluxem• 5 years ago

Not surprising. I'm still waiting for Tesla Semi, which was supposed to be released in 2019. But two years later, the production hasn't started. But hey, we got Tesla Bot.

Sohcahtoa822• 5 years ago

If Elon says they're shooting for 2023, then 2025 is more likely.

Which will be perfect as that'll be about the time I'll have the money for one.

Traster• 5 years ago

It's honestly insane when you lay it out, the Tesla Roadster (1st gen) was produced 2008-2012, it took them until 2017 to even announce a successor, aiming to deliver in 2020. Now the deliver date is 2023 assuming that 2022 isn't a mega drama (yeah I'm sure that'll age well). And how does this come to us? Fucking twitter.

Elon Musk's companies have often produced good things, but I find it fascinating that a man who wants to be great, can't even be half-decent.

cma• 5 years ago

It is supposed to be able to fly too.

m0zg4• 5 years ago

Hey Tesla folks, if you're reading this, when's that "full self driving" coming along for real? Or will it always be "later this year"? I'm baffled there's no class action lawsuit by now, especially by people who forked over $10K for a feature that doesn't exist.

hinkley3• 5 years ago

Don’t listen to this person. Take all the time you need. The impatience of a few loud, litigious people is no counterbalance to public safety except where lunatics are concerned.

m0zg4• 5 years ago

"This person" is a deep learning researcher who knows they aren't going to be able to do it with cameras alone. I want them to learn some humility and refund $10K to people, not deliver it per se. I myself didn't pay for "FSD" on my Tesla, of course.

New Tesla Roadster delayed again, now shooting for 2023

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