Co2Stats (YC summer 08) compensates for your site pollution

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/14/co2stats-compensates-for-your-sites-pollution/

by rokhayakebe • 18 years ago

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poronski• 18 years ago

It might be a valid business idea, but essentially that's how you milk the fad.

Spyckie• 18 years ago

Has anyone said anything positive about this??

I for one will - this is a great idea. People who are looking at the fad aspect of it are missing the position that the company has.

What these guys have set up is a system that allows them to be the middle man between companies and green energy. Yes, having a green website may or may not appeal to the majority of small internet startups out there, but all they need to do is build up some reputation as a green company. What they've built is incredibly flexible; you can throw out the 'calculation of your website's green energy cost' and replace it with anything, really. After they've had a couple of good months of press coverage and some big corporations using their service, they then have the perfect position to reshape their website to go after the hundreds of green opportunities that will come up within the next few years.

robfitz• 18 years ago

I love the idea also.. Big corporate spends lots of dollars for minor boosts in image. This offers really clear value to really wealthy customers.

Alex3917• 18 years ago

Once the US adopts cap-and-trade, will Co2Stats switch to purchasing carbon credits instead of renewable energy?

utnick• 18 years ago

What is a renewable energy certificate? Who gets the money when I buy one of those?

patrickg-zill2• 18 years ago

P.T. Barnum, Incorporated.

ia• 18 years ago

i wonder if this is the yc startup that pg mentioned at the hacker meetup monday night--the one with the idea that initially seemed "kind of crazy". pg?

SwellJoe• 18 years ago

pg has said that of a few YC startups. Justin.TV was the first I know of (and it did sound pretty damned crazy to start with...now that there are dozens of imitators, it seems perfectly normal).

nostrademons• 18 years ago

Reddit was also borderline crazy when they came out - I remember thinking "Interesting idea, but why the hell would anyone use this?" Now a social news site is about as cliche as you can get.

Being borderline crazy actually seems to be a good indicator of success, as long as you're a.) not completely crazy and b.) stick around in the game long enough for other people to come around. I think Tony Wright said as much in one of his posts here...

pg• 18 years ago

Yes, it was CO2Stats.

coffeemug• 18 years ago

I don't get Co2Stats. It's a very cool idea, with a caveat.

If I were to have an online business, I would gladly pay for clean energy (perhaps even at a small premium) rather than buy energy from an old-style fossil fuel burning energy company. However, with Co2Stats I have to pay twice - once to buy energy for my site, and once to put renewable energy into the grid so that someone else can use it. As much as I want to support renewable energy companies, I'm not willing to buy energy for someone else.

It seems that the real business problem here is that there are a lot of companies that do want to buy renewable energy, but can't. How do I power my home with energy generated by a clean company? If Co2Stats would let me do that, it could easily become huge. But simply paying a Co2Stats to calculate my footprint and redirect my money to someone else? I'd rather just donate that money, or invest it into clean energy.

patrickg-zill2• 18 years ago

Remember, if you live in Brazil or China, even the stringent Kyoto Protocol allows you to pollute as much as you want.

alex_c• 18 years ago

My first reaction to this was extremely negative. My thoughts were probably along the lines of the Techcrunch comments.

After thinking about it for a bit, I decided that I don't have anything against CO2Stats itself. What's more, it seems like a pretty obvious idea (more power to them if they're the first to implement it), and I think it's pretty likely to succeed.

What really bugs me is the kind of faulty thinking which is what will make it a success. It's the same kind of thinking which leads to huge unnecessary cardboard or plastic packaging with a recycling sign on it. It has the currently fashionable environment-friendly sign on it, therefore it's OK to consume more!

I guess I'm just not comfortable with the idea of offsetting actually making a difference. You're still putting that CO2 out there, you just have a shiny certificate to show that... you're... not? It's basically the same objection as coffeemug's, just from a different perspective.

Edit: the video on the CO2Stats website actually sums it up nicely. It's about making your visitors "feel good". It's not very clear to me that it's about making an actual difference.

gaika• 18 years ago

Have they bought renewable energy certificate for their own site? Yet another "IAmRich^H^H^H^HGreen" :(

plusbryan• 18 years ago

What a great idea! I'd much prefer to pay for this badge than on that "Hacker Tested Daily" con badge that appears everywhere. It was smart to include the supposed consumption of browsers as well. Kudos!

fallentimes2• 18 years ago

I know these guys have gotten crucified on Techcrunch and even a little bit on HN, but here's something no one is talking about:

CO2stats has more revenue and more profits than all the other YC Summer 2008 companies combined. It's not even close.

Personally, I feel that regardless of political views: if you want to cut down on something, no matter what it is, you cut down on consumption (e.g. don't give government rebates, cut government spending).

It is truly the classic American view on things: Don't have enough money? Use a credit card. Don't want to exercise? Get liposuction. Why worry about things now when you can worry about them later? Gotta love this country. And of course this isn't how every American thinks, but based on our debt amounts and obesity rates, it's how a lot of Americans act.

Unfortunately, my views on prevention aren't widely adhered to and CO2stats might just work (it already is really), and they can laugh their way straight to the bank.

dcurtis• 18 years ago

My problem with CO2Stats is that they are sort of slyly dancing around the truth. The truth is that they do not buy/acquire carbon offsets. In fact, they buy more energy. They just ensure the additional energy was created cleanly. But what about the devices that that use the clean energy?

This is like saying, "I'll offset your polluting car by building another car using clean materials." That doesn't physically offset my car, it builds another whole car (which in itself is wasteful). Now my footprint is increased, not decreased.

As I understand it, the general theory in the business of conservatism is that you should literally offset the consumption, not cause more of it. If I use X amount of energy, I expect a company like CO2Stats to do something to physically counter the pollution and other environmental impacts that went into creating X amount of electricity. Like planting trees or buying real carbon credits or funding research of cold fusion or something.

fallentimes2• 18 years ago

Yeah they're selling snake oil IMHO, but if retards will buy the pet rock, they'll buy this too (they already have).

Even traditional "offsetting" is silly; the science is shaky at best. WE NEED TO DECREASE CONSUMPTION. I'm clueless as to why no one is admitting this. I blame Al Gore :P.

Co2Stats (YC summer 08) compensates for your site pollution

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