Cyberpunk 2077 runs on Linux through the Proton compatibility layer

https://twitter.com/Plagman2/status/1336777322607734784

by haunter • 6 years ago

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emsal• 6 years ago

Key caveat here is that it only works on AMD cards currently.

ZacharyPitts• 6 years ago

Aah that’s a shame... but not surprising given Nvidias track record with Linux drivers

wyldfire• 6 years ago

My, how the times have changed.

barbecue_sauce• 6 years ago

Well, at least my Windows 10 trial has a few more weeks left.

vondur• 6 years ago

Does Windows stop running at that point, or does it just nag you with the text on the desktop?

tracker12• 6 years ago

Comments in op seem to indicate some are able to run on NV cards.

netsec_burn3• 6 years ago

Nvidia here, not quite there yet.

ekianjo3• 6 years ago

Runs on nvidia too but nvidia takes a bigger performance hit

foxhill2• 6 years ago

edit: just realised i replied to a comment i didn't intend to..!

RTX2080Ti, ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM, uninteresting vanilla ubuntu 20.04 install.

i bought the game at midnight not thinking it’d work straight away, and it “just worked”. completely unexpected.

that said:

* frame rate is.. less than ideal (managing 20-40fps). i can hear the GPU isn’t too stressed because there’s basically no coil whine, so i expect this will improve over time. i set it to highest settings, though.

* the character selection step had the player model under-illuminated. not impossible to use, but a lot more challenging. also the colour selectors didn’t look right.

edit: some more infos,

- i'm _not_ using the experimental proton build, rather GloriousEggroll[1]'s custom proton build. it's usually a bit ahead of proton in terms of support, and, most importantly for me, allows raw mouse input for games.

- i have ran on both nvidia driver 450.80.02 and 455.45.01, and i've not really noticed a difference.

[1] https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom/releases

forest_dweller8• 6 years ago

I am sure many will applaud this but it encourage developers to not bother with an actual native build as it tells them that Linux users will be happy with "proton compatible". Games don't run as well IME (even ones where they claim it runs as well or better). I've given up with Games on Linux.

manderley2• 6 years ago

The alternative is "games don't run on Linux at all". The Linux desktop market is tiny as is, the alternative isn't developers suddenly investing in native Linux ports. Even the more popular Macs OS gets severely neglected.

jeroenhd2• 6 years ago

I don't think it makes sense for developers of games like these to even support macOS. Apple's ARM chips are pretty fast but their GPUs aren't capable of rendering intensive 3D games at native resolutions yet, partially because Apple's displays are so high-res. Previous generations Apple devices all had GPUs in them that I honestly consider lacking for the price you pay for the hardware.

The best macOS gaming rigs I can think off are the mac Pros, but those aren't what most people are running macOS on.

At least Linux users can use the powerful NVIDIA cards in most of their machines. I suppose it's possible to hook up an RX 6800 through Thunderbolt, but that's quite a bulky and expensive solution that even fewer people use.

You can see this in the Steam survey. There are more macOS gamers than Linux gamers, but the gamers on macOS are almost always running on an Intel GPU whereas Linux gamers are much more common to run a dedicated GPU from AMD or NVIDIA.

It makes sense to port Tabletop Simulator or Cooking Simulator to macOS, but for Cyberpunk you're just not finding enough customers. Where Linux lacks the stability of the software stack, macOS lacks the hardware to run the stable-ish software stack on.

With CD:PR being generally reasonably DRM-free, I do wonder how much "hidden" Linux customers they have in their sales. Trying to get AAA-games from Steam to run in Linux is usually a fight with DRM software and the only way to win that fight is to pretend to be running Windows. If you can download the game from GOG without DRM, like CP2077, you'll probably end up with more Linux customers than other studios manage to gather and your OS statistics will make more sense. There's no way in hell that Linux will get any significant margin on the gaming market any time soon, but if the market will ever begin shifting, we'll probably see it in a studio like CD:PR.

Rebelgecko• 6 years ago

Presumably Stadia is using a native Linux build

caymanjim• 6 years ago

MacOS is neglected because Macs don't have the video capability. I can't speak to the capabilities of the new M1-based machines, but historically no Macbook or Mini had the hardware for 3D-intensive games. Statistically-speaking, there are zero Mac Pro users, and none of their other hardware is up to the task.

I'm a Unix nerd. My first PC ran Linux for years before I ever installed Windows on anything. I've maintained a Windows-based game PC for the past 20 years solely for gaming. It's my most powerful and capable hardware. I wish I could get something remotely as powerful from Apple (for a comparable price) because I prefer MacOS as my daily-driver desktop for professional purposes.

forest_dweller8• 6 years ago

The alternative is "games don't run on Linux at all".

I would prefer that over false hope.

rjn• 6 years ago

I think it's a decent start to get through the chicken and egg problem (there are not enough linux players so devs don't bother and people don't switch completely to linux because there are games they like which don't work) and if proton brings enough people to linux slowly we might get through this hurdle. If let's say 30% of gamers are linux users the devs might care to do a native port even though they don't right now. I only use linux and mostly only play natively supported games but sometimes also through proton also I think if you play using proton steam reports as a linux user.

pretendgeneer• 6 years ago

I think it might be good. As I believe steam count as Linux sales even through proton. Kinda solving the chicken egg problem for linux games.

forest_dweller8• 6 years ago

No it doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem. Because the games are just being tested to work on proton.

AgentME• 6 years ago

To be fair, there's also developers that technically release an actual native linux build with bugs and then offer zero support for it. At least games on Proton still get worked on by the Proton developers.

SulfurHexaFluri4• 6 years ago

And often it only works on the 2016 LTS release of ubuntu because they depend on specific packages that happen to be on that version of ubuntu and any support requests get ignored with the response "We support ubuntu 16.4".

At least when you use proton you can whinge at a whole community of developers and typically one of them will care enough to fix it. These days I find for a lot of the games I play, proton is literally flawless to the point if you didn't tell me, I wouldn't know it isn't native.

gpderetta2• 6 years ago

And often the "native" build is using the developer (or porter) closed source buggy wine-like compatibility layer (sometime seven using Windows PE binaries directly). Wine is usually superior especially in the long term.

Some native ports are high quality though, like everything Croateam does and a some of Feral ports.

At the end of the day the only thing that it is important is support. Community supported wine/proton is vastly better than an unsupported "native" version.

acomjean• 6 years ago

I've given up with Games on Linux.

Proton is pretty amazing. Because of diversity in "Linux" (lots of distros to test) having it is better than not.

scaladev2• 6 years ago

lots of distros to test

Nobody forces developers to test under anything but Ubuntu. The community will work around any remaining problems on other distributions if necessary.

chaps• 6 years ago

You should really try again if you haven't tried in the past month or two. Steam recently released proton 5.13 into the list of proton releases, and since then, a great percent of games that didn't work in earlier 5.* releases have started working. Including Doom Eternal and now this game. Guessing they were prepping for this game.

forest_dweller8• 6 years ago

I might try GPU pass through. Proton is too much faffing and I stream games a lot on discord which barely works on Linux.

ekianjo3• 6 years ago

Native clients almost always have worse performance so we dont lose anything.

jvzr2• 6 years ago

As rjn said, it is also a way to lure players to Linux. I've personally switched three weeks ago, and I'm not looking back: every game I want to play works, ranging from almost flawlessly to just perfect. All thanks to Proton, and of course the decades-long efforts of Wine.

forest_dweller8• 6 years ago

As rjn said, it is also a way to lure players to Linux.

It has the opposite effect (on me at least).

I've personally switched three weeks ago, and I'm not looking back: every game I want to play works, ranging from almost flawlessly to just perfect.

"Works for me" logic. Every game you want to play works. The games I wanna play don't, or they do so with resorting to tonnes of hacks. In the end I just say sod it and reboot in Windows.

npteljes2• 6 years ago

If a game runs fine with Proton, what does it matter if it's not native? Either way you get an experience that's tested against a Linux based system.

forest_dweller8• 6 years ago

They don't work properly. Things like alt-tabbing out of the game crashes the game for example, or performance with streaming is utter shite. So it doesn't run fine.

The few games I have native linux ports for, I can alt-tab out of and I get consistend performance.

BlueTemplar6• 6 years ago

I don't get why more games aren't being directly released on Ubuntu considering that Vulcan now seems to be even better than DirectX??

NikolaeVarius• 6 years ago

I've always wondered. Games usually have pretty low kernel access. What doesn anti-cheat do to detect its not running in native Windows, assuming we ignore the outright obvious signs that may be able to be obfuscated

Ditto for UWP. Seems destined to stay Win10 Only

chii• 6 years ago

anti-cheat should not exist for single player games.

nynx• 6 years ago

Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't have DRM or anti-cheat.

BLKNSLVR• 6 years ago

I was going to disagree with you because I only read a headline and moved on, but it appears that only the Review copies of the game were protected by anti-cheat[0].

[0] https://torrentfreak.com/cyberpunk-2077s-use-of-denuvo-to-pr...

fulafel2• 6 years ago

Most games don't need kernel access. Which is good as it enables security aware users to play games.

Cyph0n• 6 years ago

Anti-cheat goes pretty deep, actually: some games, such as Valorant and R6, do VM detection as part of their anti-cheat checks.

hatsuseno• 6 years ago

I had the distinct displeasure of running into Riot Vanguard (Valorant's anti-cheat engine) just yesterday. I had to start fiddling with bcdedit to get my install of Windows 'compliant' enough for it to even activate. Monstrously invasive in my opinion.

29athrowaway3• 6 years ago

This is a person running the game on Linux, on an NVIDIA card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBH0iY-Jx6U

According to the video description the low framerate is due to the streamer OBS setup rather than game performance.

Some people report that the game works better with the 455 version of the NVIDIA driver.

29athrowaway3• 6 years ago

I am running the game now on Linux without issues. Had to select Proton experimental as the Steam play version to make it work.

aleph-• 6 years ago

Where as I can't get it to run at all with proton 13.4 and nvidia-450

Where's proton experimental?

arminiusreturns3• 6 years ago

I had some crashes that were fixed by lowering some settings, and still a crash every so often where I have to kill the game, then restart steam. Small price to pay to play something on linux I've been looking forward to so much.

Nvidia 455 on proton experimental arch

netsec_burn3• 6 years ago

I can't launch Steam with 455.

bayesianbot• 6 years ago

You have to install 32bit driver libraries to run steam. On Debian/Ubuntu/Mint it's libnvidia-gl-455:i386 package.

I couldn't run steam after upgrading to 455, and noticed it was because CUDA and some other unofficial display driver PPA in my sources.list was blocking simultaneous 64bit and 32bit install. After removing those, I could install the package again.

flatiron2• 6 years ago

I was just playing it on a haswell machine running Arch. But I was on stadia so I was cheating :)

That being said I like stadia. No hardware investment, play anywhere. Works on Linux Chromium. No downloads or patches. I don’t typically revisit games so I’m not really concerned that in 5 years it may go poof.

robcohen• 6 years ago

it is pretty impressive, but the lag really kills games for me.

tracker12• 6 years ago

probably depends on the game, for things like this, probably less of a detriment.

jayd16• 6 years ago

I was actually really impressed with the Stadia lag when playing Destiny using a Chromecast and the Stadia controller. I saw image compression but the lag and framerate were very good. Not just playable but good.

p1necone3• 6 years ago

Why Stadia instead of e.g. Geforce Now? You can play your existing purchased library via other streaming platforms, and you can switch to playing them locally if you ever buy a gaming PC without having to repurchase them. With Stadia you're locked in to having to buy your games again if you ever want to play on a different platform.

(not trying to criticize, just curious about the differences)

__abc• 6 years ago

If they are like me, I've never even heard of Geforce prior to your comment ... but am very aware of Stadia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

kingaillas• 6 years ago

Why Stadia instead of e.g. Geforce Now?

For me it is the game I most want to play in this fashion, Elder Scrolls Online, isn't available on Geforce Now, but is on Stadia. I kind of remember it was in the category of games that were launch/beta titles for Geforce Now, but withdrew from the service shortly there after.

Not sure what is going on there with IP rights and whatever, but I don't really care since Google/Stadia worked it out.

You can play your existing purchased library

Sort of. I notice that Assassin's Creed Valhalla and Immortal Fenix Rising are available via Geforce Now if you bought them via Epic or Uplay, but not Steam. Earlier AC games are fine, so this is probably a "latest release held back if you bought on Steam" thing.

But the thing is, I don't want to pull out a chart of who supports what and deal with this BS. Stadia routes around this problem since their store sells games while Geforce Now doesn't and instead sells you cloud access to another storefront, and that storefront can withhold rights.

I totally get that, any particular game might have its own plans for cloud or mobile or whatever - for example another favorite of mine, Slay the Spire, in the process of rolling out mobile versions, does not appear in the blessed Geforce Now list. No doubt because Megacrit doesn't want to undercut future sales. So I can't stream StS to my phone because they want to sell me another copy.

Nevertheless it's a game in my library, one of many, that Geforce Now doesn't let me play. Saying Geforce Now lets you "play your existing purchased library" is not fully accurate.

edited to remove extraneous info

ThatPlayer2• 6 years ago

One of the bigger differences to me are the limitations of Geforce Now's free plan. You have a queue to start a game, and a one hour session limit unless you pay up 5$/mo. So Stadia is cheaper at that point.

fulafel2• 6 years ago

You can play Stadia and PS Now games? How does it work?

flatiron2• 6 years ago

since i preordered its coming with a "free" controller and chromecast, so i can play on the couch once it arrives. i assume they do this to lure me into purchasing additional stadia content and since this has been so smooth i just may.

climb_stealth• 6 years ago

Hmpf, play anywhere seems to only apply if you are in one of the supported countries [0]. I was getting my hopes up but it appears Australia is not supported at this point.

[0] https://support.google.com/stadia/answer/9566513?hl=en

United States, Canada, United Kingdom, France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Belgium, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary

divs1210• 6 years ago

Also India. Electronics are severely taxed and building a gaming rig costs a fortune over here. Stadia would be a blessing.

2Gkashmiri2• 6 years ago

Awesome if proton can make something like cyberpunk work on day 1, why not others? Why do they have to pretend theirs is some mythical special sauce unable to work on Linux ?

That said, why don't these mmo games give a Linux mode ? Pubg for example has mobile app, a lite app and a desktop lite app based on mobile. They are the same but they are matched with similar people only. Apply the same here. Give Linux users option to play the game, without the anti cheat and only match with similar Linux users. I get to deal with any potential cheaters

kaibee• 6 years ago

Cyberpunk 2077 is a single-player game.

SulfurHexaFluri4• 6 years ago

Because they put approximately 0 thought or care in to supporting linux. There are hardly any linux users who would have got the game anyway compared to windows and half of them will still buy it and reboot to play it.

phendrenad22• 6 years ago

some mythical special sauce unable to work on Linux

I think it's the other way around, if you have a software company full of Windows and console programmers, you now need to get some of them to learn how to build and deploy a binary Linux app that runs on all major Linux distros and configurations, or you need to hire some who already can. How many game engine/deploy developer salaries can you afford on the income from all of the Linux users?

2Gkashmiri2• 6 years ago

there was last time an appimage thing where they packaged a specific working wine and it should work everywhere all the time

jhasse3• 6 years ago

PUBG - a game where you need at least 50 players for a match - would be quiet empty when you're only playing with Linux players.

BlueTemplar6• 6 years ago

Why would you assume that they wouldn't be able to play with Windows players??

netsec_burn3• 6 years ago

Not quite. I tested this and it crashed about 15 minutes in. Also there are graphical errors like missing faces, no sound, T-posing NPC's, etc. I'm using both the latest stable Proton and Experimental.

jsheard• 6 years ago

The launch build of Cyberpunk is still very buggy, in some cases Proton may be accurately reproducing bugs that would have happened anyway on Windows.

mycall• 6 years ago

Their future two year roadmap includes a multiplayer version. I suspect it will take them that long to fix all their bugs.

twblalock• 6 years ago

I've seen that a few times today on Windows, along with a TON of UI glitches. I don't even bother with the hacking UI -- it doesn't register button presses, especially in that weird hacking attack where you need to select a hex code from a character matrix in a limited amount of time. It's easier to just shoot the enemies anyway.

izacus• 6 years ago

I'm also noticing a massive performance drop (in comparison to Windows) on my RTX3080. Which is amplified even more by lack of DLSS option.

remexre2• 6 years ago

anyone gotten the GOG version working? lutris was a flop, innoextract-ing the installer now to try adding it to steam manually

wil421• 6 years ago

No it crashes constantly for me. Created my character and now the game won’t load. Resinstalled and it still doesn’t work.

Doxin• 6 years ago

You can add the GOG executable to steam as an external game and run it through Proton that way. Bit of an odd setup I suppose, but it ought to work.

armlessbastard• 6 years ago

I didn't even get it to launch by doing this. but I am a newb to this kind of thing. I am hoping the direct DL from GOG instead of from gog galaxy will work better for me and run proton in lutris with it.

I tried to run Innoextract on the 'Launch Cyberpunk 2077.ink' but I couldn't get it to work either.

remexre2• 6 years ago

I kinda got it working, ish; I ran:

     innoextract --gog setup_cyberpunk_2077_build_3214677change_4155897_\(64bit\)_\(43299\).exe --language en-US

then added bin/x64/Cyberpunk2077.exe to Steam, then got it to start with Proton-5.21-GE-1. It looks like there's a big performance hit w/ nvidia-drivers 455.28-r1, though, and it's pretty crashy (~1 crash / 15 minutes until I gave up).

dijit5• 6 years ago

To be perfectly fair, it’s working on Linux natively. Since it runs on stadia.

I was part of the efforts of putting The Division 2 on stadia and it really is “just Linux” for the most part.

The elf binaries ran essentially flawlessly on my linux machine (although my machine was under powered for the game.)

Sadly we never released the game on Linux to the public.

throw_m239339• 6 years ago

Do you work for Stadia? How is Cyberpunk doing on that system? I'm hesitating buying it there instead of on console.

axaxs4• 6 years ago

Not OP but Stadia user. Played only a few minutes, but it ran well. There's a few people over at r/stadia claiming to be stuck, but I didn't read to much into whether it's true...might be worth it to check out.

I'm an absolute Stadia fanboy. I wasn't really interested in Cyberpunk, but they offered a free controller/chromecast if you preordered, so it's kinda hard to say no. Let me know if you have any questions.

brendoelfrendo2• 6 years ago

I bought it on Stadia and played for about 4 hours tonight. It ran pretty flawlessly, though I did have a problem where the game would think I was holding the attack button (heavy attack/auto fire) instead of tapping it (light attack/single shot). So there I was trying to line up a single headshot and imagine my surprise when I ended up dumping the entire magazine instead. To be fair to Stadia, I don't know if this is a Stadia issue or a Cyberpunk issue.

Pro tip: I thought my Stadia stream was having issues, turns out that motion blur and lens flare just make the game look like ass. Turn those off and it's gorgeous.

9oliYQjP• 6 years ago

I'm running it on GeForce NOW with all settings turned to highest possible (Ultra where possible, High, and one Psycho). I also have ray tracing on Quality mode and I am at an utter loss for how well this thing runs. This is the first game I've played through GeForce NOW and to be honest...I'm not sure if I need to drop money on a new GPU like I had planned to. I really wanted ray tracing support to replace my aging AMD card but the shortage of GPUs meant I couldn't find one. I'm on FTTH and my goodness even at 1080p it runs at what I'm guessing is 50-60 fps and looks stunning. There are very rare audible pops/hitching when I guess there's a network hiccup...maybe once every 30 minutes or so. But I'll take it, the game runs flawlessly for me otherwise.

I'm so sorry to hear a bunch of gamers on Reddit are having issues getting this thing to run well on their systems. There appears to be an older Nvidia driver issue that's limiting utilization to low tens causing weird glitches in the rendering for people. But I tested it on my aging AMD card in an eGPU on my MBP i9 at 1080p with all the settings turned to Ultra. Even there it runs well for the complexity and liveliness of the city; about 30-40fps.

Comparing the GeForce NOW remote rendering with ray tracing against my locally AMD rendering, I much prefer the GeForce NOW version with ray tracing. The game makes really good use of lighting and seeing subtle reflections throughout the game as they would be in real life makes me prefer the GeForce NOW version.

NOTE: I went with GeForce NOW because it supports ray tracing. Stadia does not, so just be aware of that.

joana035• 6 years ago

Sadly we never released the game on Linux to the public.

That is a bummer indeed :/

est313• 6 years ago

The elf binaries ran essentially flawlessly on my linux machine (although my machine was under powered for the game.)
Sadly we never released the game on Linux to the public.

That's an improvement over not having a Linux port at all, as it reduces the investment needed to publish the game to Linux eventually. Once the Linux gaming market is big enough, studios might consider to release the game.

ownagefool2• 6 years ago

I'm not sure that's much of a distinction between not available and nearly available. Rumour is, WoW had an internal linux client for years, and that didn't help gamers.

That said, I wonder if being low-key not released multiplatform might actually mean there's likely less compatibility issues when playing with wine/proton.

pizza234• 6 years ago

I run Linux, and play games, but all in all, I strongly believe that Wine ports are the only realistic, less-worse, alternative. I'm not the only one - Carmack expressed the same (although, to be fair, I've never read other high-profile devs discussing this idea).

This is a real-world Linux game production story: https://twitter.com/bgolus/status/1080213166116597760. Note that the developers tried hard to release the native Linux port.

Crucial excerpt (from https://twitter.com/bgolus/status/1080214424474906624):

We eventually laid out a guide with known good versions of Linux and graphics drivers, but it didn't matter. Part of the allure of Linux is the customizability, so few actually stuck to it, and generally wanted to run the game on older hardware we didn't support.

In order for Linux games production to be economically viable, there should be a Linux gaming standard, but because of the Linux culture, there will never be (there's nothing wrong; it's just its nature). Even if somebody came up with a gaming standard... xkcd explains what would happen: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/927:_Standards.

I'm not considering adhoc Linux gaming distributions like SteamOS, as they would have to be treated as an independently installed, separate, operating system.

pjmlp7• 6 years ago

Most Android games could be easily ported to GNU/Linux, that just doesn't happen because studios don't see any commercial value in doing so, versus the development costs of supporting yet another platform.

shmerl2• 6 years ago

Sadly we never released the game on Linux to the public.

What was the justification of ignoring Linux gamers, when you already went through all the trouble of creating the Linux version? Are support costs so high that Linux sales won't cover them after that?

gambiting2• 6 years ago

In this case it will be mostly the fact that Ubisoft Connect does not have a Linux client, so it would be hard to get the game to users and keep it updated. Obviously not insurmountable but you're again running into the issue of it just not being worth the cost - the PC sales are tiny compared to consoles, Linux would be just a small percentage of that again.

varispeed• 6 years ago

Sadly we never released the game on Linux to the public.

Do you know why? Linux is my primary OS and it always breaks my heart when companies decide to not support it.

TheAdamAndChe• 6 years ago

Too small of a market. Most people don't use linux as a desktop OS. Those who do tend to use Chrome OS, which isn't well suited to gaming.

luch• 6 years ago

Because if you start to support Linux you actually have to support all the major distribution (Debian, Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.) with their different idiosyncrasies, package format, libc implementations and/or version, etc.

Basically your testing coverage explodes exponentially. That's why in a former gig the team I was part of decided to go from Linux to only Windows since it way easier to test only for ~3 majors OS versions.

dartharva• 6 years ago

I'd think it's because of tertiary costs like customer support, etc. It's feasible to have support staff that would listen to customer complaints for releases on one uniform platform. It certainly won't be feasible to do the same for Linux releases as they and their problems will vary as much as the distro fragmentation.

CraneWorm4• 6 years ago

Stadia is bad, fortunately it's an Alphabet's baby so one day they will axe it without warning.

itchynosedev• 6 years ago

I actually had a lot of fun playing Stadia games.

I think FPS and reaction type games are not it's strengths, but some third person action / adventure games have been super fun. Sometimes I forgot it was not running games locally. Impressive tech.

SquareWheel• 6 years ago

I've heard mostly positive things from those who have tried it. What turned you off? Latency issues?

arcturus17• 6 years ago

I like it, it works really well for me.

With 600mb fiber the UX is outstanding in my experience. The library was really limited at the beginning but it's slowly starting to take off. It's been a great low-cost entry point to a bunch of games that I was interested in. I can seamlessly play at home on my big screen or even sneak in a quick game at my desk in the office.

Why would anyone desire that it dies? If you don't like it you can ignore it.

Your comment is very low-effort. It's borderline disrespectful to the parent, a dev who has kindly shared some insider knowledge, in that it contributes nothing to their point and merely goes off on a petty tangent.

Thaxll• 6 years ago

Stadia is the most impressive tech recently released, it's clearly the future.

I was very sceptical at first but when I tried Doom 2016 over the wifi on my tv I was realy impressed.

Just think about it for one second, the game runs over the wifi on 30$ Chromecast on my 10y/o TV and it looks great with almost no lag, I'm an avid FPS player and it's really ok lag wise to play on Stadia.

moviuro3• 6 years ago

Sadly we never released the game on Linux to the public.

Then sadly I won't purchase it at full price. I expect a full experience at full price.

antihero3• 6 years ago

If I have a 2019 Macbook Pro and want to play Cyberpunk 2077 without buying a PS4, should I use Stadia or Geforce NOW? Is the MBP powerful enough to run it natively on Windows?

What controller should I buy?

411111111111111• 6 years ago

They are imo very different services and both have trial time.

Test them both and decide for yourself.

I personally prefer nvidias service because I actually play games in my steam library. Stadia has few games and you're always forced to use their services. No way to play locally even if you have decent hardware

snemvalts• 6 years ago

Both MBP and PS4 aren't capable enough to run it without serious problems (PS4) or at all (MBP).

Best solution is cloud streaming, geforce now seems more capable.

dusted3• 6 years ago

Having native support for Linux seems very fitting to a cyberpunk game, but given the kind of crazy reactions you get from some people in that community when things a. are not open source and/or b. exhibit the tiniest of flaws, it's probably not worth the bad PR they would generate.

b0rsuk2• 6 years ago

This is like saying Red Dead Redemption is like running a farm in Texas. Linux is more popular among techies/programmers/hackers. Cyberpunk is a genre focusing on being cool and special, an attempt to steal computers from introverts and hide the boring stuff they find exciting. It's a computer Wild West.

Check out the game 'Duskers'.

account428• 6 years ago

You do realize that Steam is available for Linux. Steam is not open source. Steam has many flaws. Yet Steam is really popular amongst many Linux users. Don't spread FUD.

BlueTemplar6• 6 years ago

I don't get why. Aren't you and CDPR using Vulkan rather than DirectX by now ? If a small studio like Wube can afford to develop for Windows, Linux and even Mac, why can't you??

dijit5• 6 years ago

Anything I say to this is speculation, but making an engine like Snowdrop is a very-many year effort and usually quite tailored.

PS4 (OpenGL) is possible because there are shims provided by Sony which make OpenGL have similar behaviours to DX11.

Smaller studios don't have a legacy, usually they're highly targeted or they're using an engine provided by someone who can produce builds on multiple platforms.

Engines are simultaneously the most liberating and the most restricting thing in game development.

Obviously the Engine was ported to Linux to support Stadia, which is where the major investment would have been if we ever saw a Linux release of that particular game. Since that's done the only conclusion I can come to is financial back-pressure (PC sales are honestly not worth the headache, cheating, piracy, support issues; but are still provided, Linux support would likely be many times that effort again), and there's also Ubisofts platform distribution systems (which is intermixed with entitlement and authentication systems) and does not provide linux support.

In all, it makes me sad, because I'm a linux enthusiast and adamantly refuse to use Windows. But I've seen how the sausage is made and I have high sympathy for people making games.

agilob• 6 years ago

Sadly we never released the game on Linux to the public.

There was a lot of bad feedback after W2 was released on Linux. It was full price, but full of glitches, bugs, crashes, unexpected dying, invisible sword... and this list can go on. A lot of users released anger on CDP who took offence and said they're not doing anything for linux any more.

From what you're saying, CP2077 is more closer to native desktop Linux than W2 is now after years, so CDP could drill into this market of fanboys and try to regain trust of the community.

account428• 6 years ago

anger on CDP who took offence and said they're not doing anything for linux any more.

I have seen no such statement by CDProjekt RED. Only employees of the porting company decried the criticism they got.

AzN1337c0d3r• 6 years ago

I dont know how much you know of the politics of the situation, but I'm curious if what is stopping games from being released on Linux is due to the lack of anticheat software?

shmerl2• 6 years ago

Nice work by vkd3d-proton and Mesa developers! It's not perfect yet, but it's a great start. There are some bugs to fix in vkd3d-proton still (various glitches).

And CDPR can release the game for Linux natively, since they already did the heavy lifting of releasing it for Stadia. At the very least they can add the Vulkan renderer to the Windows version.

29athrowaway3• 6 years ago

My thoughts after 3 hours on play, on Linux.

- Worked out of the box. Purchased the game on Steam, and ran it using Proton experimental (a version you can pick via Steam settings > Steam play > Run other titles with: "Proton experimental"). Running with a prior version of Proton throws a Qt error.

- The announcement mentions AMD cards but I have an NVIDIA GPU card and it worked just fine. I used the NVIDIA driver version 455.

- Changing graphics settings or switching windows cause major graphical artifacts, which are fixed restarting the game.

- Noticeable sound glitches sometimes, but the game is playable. Tried adjusting pulseaudio priority, a trick that helps with these kinds of issues sometimes, but it didn't work.

- Performance is more than OK for me, and I am not using 2020 hardware. I wouldn't try running on 4k + high graphic settings unless you have a high-end box.

- During these 3 hours, the game crashed twice.

kleiba3• 6 years ago

It's a shame they went 1st person. I know that some people have a different opinion (e.g. [1]) but unfortunately, I immediately get motion sickness with any 1st-person game, but curiously not with 3rd person games.

I loved The Witcher, and was really psyched when Cyberpunk 2077 was first announced. Kinda bumped that I won't be able to play it now, but I guess such is life.

[1] https://www.thegamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-first-person-shooter...

snvzz2• 6 years ago

Getting motion sickness from FPS is an interesting issue I don't see mentioned very often.

I have this problem when I play an FPS after a long time of not touching any, but it goes away after a few sessions.

I suspect input to reaction latency might play a huge role, as it does with VR.

eythian• 6 years ago

Interesting, I know quite a number of people who have motion sickness issues. I find in general they just don't tend to play games, or at least 3D games, so much, so I guess it doesn't come up all that often.

minimaul2• 6 years ago

Yep, I'd also love a third person mode for this game. Not even for motion sickness, it just feels wasteful to put so much effort into character creation and then basically never see your character during gameplay.

slfnflctd• 6 years ago

I know it's unrealistic because it probably adds a lot to development time, but I really wish more games would allow both 1st and 3rd person perspectives (i.e. Skyrim).

There are two highly acclaimed AAA titles in my library not being played (fortunately bought on sale) that I just can't get into because I have the opposite problem-- they are only in 3rd person, and it totally kills immersion for me.

kleiba3• 6 years ago

I suppose my parent post got downvoted because it is strictly speaking OT. Fair enough, but thanks anyway to the folks who took the time to write interesting replies.

arminiusreturns3• 6 years ago

I disagree. I personally prefer first person in games, and first person only games. My steam library is almost completely dominated by first person games... but some games clearly have been built for a certain perspective, wether that is first or third, and I consider cyberpunk to be one of them made for first person. Especially when it comes to multiplayer, thirdperson is so often abused as a mechanic, and there are other issues I could cite, that my main criticism of this comment is why should devs change their entire design just to suit someone who has an edge case issue?

That said, I never really thought about first person causing sickness for some people, so my condolences for the vast swath of amazing games you must miss out on.

kleiba3• 6 years ago

Thanks, and yes, it is totally annoying. There's tons of games I'd love to actually play but just can't.

By the way, I agree with your assessment that some games are simply better suited for a first person perspective. I don't know if I perhaps created a wrong impression before, but I have never said that game devs should change their designs just so folks like myself can play all games under the sun (although jumping through hoops to tailor to small minorities is very much en vogue these days in other fields).

For Cyberpunk 2077 specifically, it's just a bit disappointing for me personally because I am a huge fan of The Witcher, and I'm sure a sci-fi RPG story could have been told using a similar mechanic. But, yes, it would have been a different game -- sadly, one that I could have actually played.

I also liked the old Resident Evil titles, and that series has now turned to first person too. O tempora, o mores!

butz• 6 years ago

Good news, but for best experience it would be wise to wait a few months until most of bugs in the game are fixed. Then probably buy the game on sale.

albertzeyer• 6 years ago

You can check the status and user reports on this site: https://www.protondb.com/

This is the report for Cyberpunk 2077: https://www.protondb.com/app/1091500

When there are bugs, you usually find also corresponding GitHub issues. E.g. here for NVIDIA issues with Cyberpunk 2077: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/4450

Havoc• 6 years ago

Impressive that CD Projekt accommodated them. In the bigger scheme of thing proton is decidedly niche

pierog• 6 years ago

Cyberpunk 2077 compiles and runs perfectly fine natively on Debian, but it lacks a renderer (there was OpenGL but it was dropped years ago and Vulkan is a very specific implementation for Stadia only).

person_of_color2• 6 years ago

Shocked at the amount of HNers still playing video games!

paranorman• 6 years ago

Why are you shocked? Video games are an awesome way to unwind and get lost in other worlds. They can appeal to folks of all ages and backgrounds.

1_player• 6 years ago

Still? You mean I should spend that time building my next billion dollar business instead?

person_of_color2• 6 years ago

Yep.

mekkkkkk2• 6 years ago

"Still" as in "it's a kids thing"? Or as in "it's known to be bad for you"? Or maybe "it's archaic"?

Regardless I disagree.

kcb• 6 years ago

Why?

ulzeraj2• 6 years ago

For those talking about a native port, the drama involving The Witcher 2 native port and the absolute negative reaction from Linux users along with the disappointing progress of Steam Machines had made CDPR hesitant to develop for the platform.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/the-witcher-3-didnt-c...

COGlory• 6 years ago

But they did develop for the platform - there is a Stadia version which essentially is a Linux runtime.

Voyajer• 6 years ago

TW2 port was a bad eON wrap job wasn't it?

ulzeraj2• 6 years ago

Apparently it was but that doesn't justify the harassment described in the article. Hate mail and stuff like that. I guess people got too emotional and both parties ended up with a bad taste in their mouths.

account428• 6 years ago

There has been absolutely no word from CDPR as to why they did not port any of their other games. Both commonts in your article are from a developer from the porting company, not CDPR.

Deadsunrise• 6 years ago

CDPR owns GOG, a Steam competitor. Steam and GOG worked together to help bring a big game to Linux. You just love to see that.

Cyberpunk 2077 runs on Linux through the Proton compatibility layer

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