The rise of platonic co-parenting

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/31/i-wanted-to-meet-a-mate-and-have-a-baby-without-wasting-time-the-rise-of-platonic-co-parenting

by elsewhen • 6 years ago

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redvenom• 6 years ago

Man, this is messed up. I mean, if it works, it works...but I wonder if this is a symptom that traditional relationships are becoming harder because of our changing lifestyle. Or maybe they were always hard, but now it's just easier to see how hard because of the internet.

I don't know, but it just doesn't feel right to me.

k__9• 6 years ago

When I look at all the messed up families I met in my life, co-parenting seems like a good alternative.

netfl02• 6 years ago

This article presents a false dichotomy. There is nothing preventing these two people from hating each other and having some divorce-like custody hearing. It may even be more likely, there is no data on this new “approach”.

anonytrary2• 6 years ago

Commitment is quickly becoming a foreign term, but I don't think that applies to the people in the article.

“Except we could be totally honest about wanting to have a kid soon, without the goofiness and flirting of a first date. You’re looking to achieve a common goal.”

Here's a crazy idea: IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW YOU MEET PEOPLE! If both are willing, then that's that! It sounds like they are ready to raise a family and commit because literally YOLO. There are plenty of people who are old and haven't found someone they organically vibe with. In my opinion, this isn't any different than an arranged marriage, so I feel like your fear/discomfort makes little sense here.

Judgmentality• 6 years ago

In my opinion, this isn't any different than an arranged marriage, so I feel like your fear/discomfort makes little sense here.

But many people object to arranged marriages. I actually think most people in the world would object to arranged marriages.

gadders• 6 years ago

I think relationships have always been hard, but it has never been easier to leave one, or to be tempted by alternative partners.

I'd be much happier with this if it was platonic co-adoption.

xutopia2• 6 years ago

I would say that you have to review your assumptions. Maybe lifelong love that we've been thought was the norm was actually a minority throughout history.

mensetmanusman2• 6 years ago

Which love?

Maniac eros Maniac ludus Maniac storge Agapic eros Agapic ludus Agapic storge Pragmatic eros Pragmatic ludus Pragmatic storge

I don’t think people argued that eros lasted a lifetime, but others fill the gap as one matures and life circumstances change. If one is lucky enough to achieve this, it makes for a very happy life (according to self-satisfaction surveys over the decades).

kiliantics• 6 years ago

It's tough enough to support yourself these days, let alone a family. A single earner can't look after a family of 5+ as was once possible. Additionally, the increasing stress of careers in the middle class seems to make it harder to build strong relationships in the first place.

I thought this article would be highlighting the economic shift towards coliving with friends, which we've seen to be getting more popular, and therefore the rise of platonic parenting. But I think the same causes can explain the article's subject.

orthoxerox2• 6 years ago

A single earner can't look after a family of 5+ as was once possible.

Sure they can. It just means the family can afford a 1920 level of material wealth: a room for the boys, a room for the girls, the parents sleep in the living room, the kids wear hand-me-downs and read books from the library for entertainment, the other partner knows how to cook and cooks breakfast, lunch and dinner, the family has chicken once a week and meat on special occasions.

xiphias23• 6 years ago

For me it's just female dual mating strategy in the open: concieve a baby with the hottest available guy (easy), then find a person who will provide the resources to raise the baby (much harder). Of course the best result comes if the two roles can be fulfilled by the some person, but quite often that doesn't happen. DNA tests make the hidden version of this mating strategy harder, but doing it in the open gets more accepted over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_pluralism

cbozeman• 6 years ago

I love how you're being downvoted, even though dozens of species of animals do this in nature.

I get that a lot of humans like to believe they aren't animals, though.

enkid• 6 years ago

I don't understand the use of the word Platonic in the title. The couple described doesn't seem to match either the ancient or the contemporary definition of Platonic love.

visarga• 6 years ago

Yep, platonic is love without sex, this is parenting without spouse love.

hutzlibu2• 6 years ago

It is parenting without sex, though.

AstralStorm2• 6 years ago

Yes, there's nothing platonic in this, it's a standard arranged marriage. Unless there's no marriage involved but there better be some legal arrangement or things can go south really quick with becoming a single parent.

ck4255• 6 years ago

A more accurate term would be 'not necessarily romantic' but that doesn't make a catchy title.

nkingsy2• 6 years ago

The article says the majority of them don’t live together.

My parents had a terrible divorce, but I remember shuttling between two homes, two beds, two sets of clothes being the worst part.

k__9• 6 years ago

For me the worst part was that my father didn't want me in his life.

chordalkeyboard2• 6 years ago

he sounds like a real piece of shit and maybe you were better off without him around as much. although I'm aware that there are downsides to that.

nkingsy2• 6 years ago

My dad sued my mom for less custody, but it was mostly about my autistic sister (so I told myself).

He’s a legendary school teacher where I live, so it’s real fun when people come up to us and ask me what it was like having such an amazing dad.

notRobot5• 6 years ago

For my best friend, the worst part was having parents who were constantly fighting and creating a toxic environment, but refused to separate because "we're staying together for the kids". They often took their frustration with each other out on said kids.

Took then over a decade of therapy to get over the emotional damage and abuse.

hapless• 6 years ago

The article describes “Platonic” co-parenting in which the parents have sex with each other repeatedly on an ongoing basis, conceive a child, bear it to term, and parent together.

I don’t know what’s “platonic” here. Sounds like regular ass family formation to me. I must have missed the point.

k__9• 6 years ago

I think, the "regular ass family formation" would include the parents having sex even after the got all the children they want.

AstralStorm2• 6 years ago

The difference here is it works a lot more like an arranged marriage. (Except it's arranged by first parties.) It's not usually based on hormones and propinquity.

The rise of it is probably caused by people living farther away and working overly long hours, so the standard random dating no longer works.

watermelon593• 6 years ago

I would love it if that became more of a thing - arranged marriages organized by first parties.

Personally I don't need the flirting and dating and romance and all that stuff. What I need is someone who shares my values and is willing to enter into a marriage as a social contract. Being married has a ton of personal and social benefits, and having a spouse who brings in as much income as you works like an insurance policy of sorts in a number of life situations (e.g. long-term job loss).

Obviously there needs to be chemistry if both parties are interested in a monogamic sexual relationship being part of their marriage. But if both parties are willing to dispense with all the dating rituals, that can be determined in seconds.

bryanrasmussen• 6 years ago

mature adults rationally choosing a partner and marrying not for 'love' that undefinable thing we see in movies but for the actual benefits that marriage offers.

Damn, how do I turn this into an article and get my money!

I sort of envision a writer's table where we people brainstorm ways of repackaging pretty obvious things in ways that sound new and exciting so as to get paid. Maybe this is a business model waiting to happen.

on edit: fixed error

adamjb• 6 years ago

I wonder if this is an echo of (pre-industrial? pre-Reformation?) historical norms?

pizza234• 6 years ago

It's not usually based on hormones and propinquity.

By the time a couple that was formed under regular circumstances (whatever they are), decides to have children (1/2 years after the beginning of a relationship), hormones are long gone.

And propinquity is not a disadvantage; at least people know each other. Deciding to have children after spending a weekend together ("it felt like a date") is foolish, and a recipe for a disaster, in my opinion.

The article (and overall, the idea) is also dangerously ambiguous about the logistics:

- the decision to have a child with someone [...] in most cases, choose not to live with

In real world, this equates to parents choosing other partners in the mid/long term.

This is therefore radically different than an arranged marriage.

I'd define this as an arranged patchwork family. Whether this is better or not than an arranged marriage (in an extended sense, e.g. two people staying together only because of the children), it's pretty much impossible to say.

ThePadawan• 6 years ago

I must have missed the point.

Affection?

pwdisswordfish4• 6 years ago

‘Platonic’ doesn’t mean ‘celibate’. It means ‘pure, idealised, undistorted, uncontaminated, archetypal’. Which is a pretty fitting description of these people’s relationships to each other: as co-parents and pretty much nothing else.

howlgarnish• 6 years ago

That's the dictionary definition, yes, but when it comes to male-female relationships the term 'platonic' generally means 'not sexual'.

tobylane2• 6 years ago

Natural conception is one of three choices and the matching sites do kick men out for insisting on this one. Others use turkey basters.

bartvk2• 6 years ago

I didn't know what "turkey baster" meant, but Urban Dictionary has a definition:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Turkey%20Bas...

refurb• 6 years ago

I had the same thought.

Why use the word “platonic” when it doesn’t really apply to this situation?

And just like most things on the internet, it’s not like this is a new phenomenon. People have been marrying and having kids for centuries without being “in love”.

taneq• 6 years ago

Wow, just reading this made me feel awfully lonely.

question0002• 6 years ago

I obviously don't want to cast dispersions on people who want to do this out of the goodness of their hearts but this just seems like a magnet for pedophiles.

I know many people reading this are thinking I am crazy or paranoid, but as someone who knew a pedophile as a small child (he was a bus driver, and no I wasn't molested by him, but he did go on to rape another student) I can tell you they will find any job or volunteer duty that allows them to molest kids, even if it destroys their lives. They are constantly scanning any avenues to pursue their aims and are willing to totally alter their careers and lifestyle to fake their way into a position of authority around children. Just a warning to those out their who would think "he just like kids, I can trust this <teacher, priest, etc.>" don't, you still must supervise and listen to your child. I and other bus passengers warned our parents that this man was acting suspiciously and we were ignored.

notRobot5• 6 years ago

Such people will always find ways to get to kids. The solution is to create systems so that people who are attracted to children recognise that's wrong and can get psychological/psychiatric help to control their condition without being shamed to the extent that they cannot even confide in mental health practitioners.

hoka-one-one• 6 years ago

Is there a name for this argument? The "people will always find a way to do X no matter how difficult you make it" argument? I see it everywhere.

question0002• 6 years ago

I don't really see how this comment makes sense, shaming a pedophile is going to make them more likely to seek treatment. While it's bad to demonize people with mental illness, these people don't typically think they have a problem, unlike depression or alcoholism the victim is someone else not the mentally ill, they typically won't care until they are shamed.

I'm just saying this website should have a warning because I can 100% guarantee pedophiles are trawling it looking for access to children, like they would any other kid based online forum.

notRobot5• 6 years ago

As someone who is largely aromantic and asexual, I have many times considered adopting a child with a close friend, because although romantic/sexual relationships don't appeal to me much, I would still love to be a parent, and have a (somewhat) traditional nuclear family.

It's definitely a possibility, let's see if it works out.

k__9• 6 years ago

To me it's the other way around.

I'm neither aromantic nor asexual and I like the idea of procreating.

Creating partial copies of myself and such things sounds interesting. But I can't bear the idea of actually raising a child. That responsibility...

tartoran2• 6 years ago

It is a lot of responsibility indeed but it comes with benefits too. Parenting is an experience you can skip on, but you can’t know what you’re missing until you go through it. Lots of people change their perspective once they become parents and few regret it - it’s like reaching a new stage in development/life.

notRobot5• 6 years ago

In that case, make sure that you're always using at least two forms of contraception!

Condoms+pill, condoms+IUD, vasectomy+condoms, etc.

https://www.bustle.com/p/should-i-use-more-than-one-birth-co...

x87678r2• 6 years ago

But I can't bear the idea of actually raising a child. That responsibility

Most people are like this. When you see friends with kids you realize it isn't rocket science.

mlboss• 6 years ago

Its part responsibility, part love. You do it because it is the most rewarding thing you will ever do.

fcantournet2• 6 years ago

"Creating partial copies of myself and such things sounds interesting" Right... please see a professional about this. Soonish.

gwbas1c3• 6 years ago

As someone who is largely aromantic and asexual

I don't know how old you are, but that's how I was up until my mid 20's. When I "dated" in college and in my 20s, I was mostly looking for companionship. Something clicked when I turned 30, and then I found my wife.

Anyway, makes me wonder if there's a niche for aromantic and asexual "dating?" I used to hear stories of couples who didn't have a lot of sex and were just in it for the friendship.

ConceptJunkie• 6 years ago

Anyway, makes me wonder if there's a niche for aromantic and asexual "dating?"

What niche? It's called "being friends", right?

hateful• 6 years ago

I didn't have a word for this until recently - demisexual.

"a sexual orientation on the asexual spectrum defined as someone who does not experience sexual attraction until they have formed a deep emotional connection with someone."

https://lgbta.wikia.org/wiki/Demisexual

ciconia• 6 years ago

This is sad, but divorce is even sadder. Both phenomena have many negative implications beyond the child's well-being, namely the economy. Consider the waste of each "family" having double the housing, double the cars, double everything...

It's amazing to me that western democracies seem to facilitate single parenting and divorce, instead of discouraging it.

tobylane2• 6 years ago

From your reasoning I understand why you’re against divorced/separated/never-married parents but not why you’re against single parents. Against might be an overstatement.

watwut6• 6 years ago

Consider the waste of each "family" having double the housing, double the cars, double everything...

Because alternative is often quite a lot of suffering of one or both parties.

Even beyond abusive/controlling/openly hostile relationships, you have people who completely checked out of marriage long before divorce. Their partners finally calling end to it are just putting paper on what was reality before.

The thing about traditional marriages with low divorces is that abuse whether physical or verbal was a fact of life in many families. It also often meant alcoholic or gambling partner for years, it meant couples that looked down at each other. Nowdays alcohol was replaced by gaming all the time in some couples, which is milder, but still fully understandable.

toyg5• 6 years ago

Nowadays alcohol was replaced by gaming

And porn.

6274672• 6 years ago

I think you're jumping to conclusions. I mean, it may be true that most co-parents still don't share many of the physical assets but considering how co-living has been increasing in the last decade it would only make sense for co-parents to arrange for something similar.

I mean, even divorced parents tend to try to live close to each other. Why wouldn't amicably arranged co-parents not opt for the same if that means easier parenting and living costs?

MC4058• 6 years ago

This is what I plan on doing because I'm gay. I want to have a family but the majority of gay men never have a long term partner and the ones that do hardly ever have children because the process is so difficult and expensive. Ideally, I'll be able to find a woman who is willing to co-parent with me without any expectation of romance or sexual attraction. It's nice to see that this kind of thing might be normalized some day.

ck4255• 6 years ago

Is that changing? And I mean both the long term relationship and the expense having children part? The majority of my male friends are gay and while there are a lot of happily single men there's also a significant chunk who are in healthy long term relationships and a load who are actively looking.

I know less about the children side but I know a few gay men who have adopted, single or as part of a couple, and they described the process as rigorous but not unduly so. I guess this depends where you live, I'm in Scotland, which is supposedly the least homophobic country in the world (an extremely depressing fact) so maybe it's easier for gay men to adopt here.

gwbas1c3• 6 years ago

majority of gay men never have a long term partner

I always thought that was a stereotype?

r00fus2• 6 years ago

I think the difficulty of adopting (financially, legally as same-sex couple) is more likely why you see fewer same-sex families.

xutopia2• 6 years ago

A good friend of mine actually ended up going that route. The father lives in a foreign country though but they're friends and wish to collaborate in the process. Once Covid is behind us they'll resume trying.

yodsanklai• 6 years ago

I suspect that after a few years, a lot (if not most) of "regular" couples are de facto platonic and don't have romantic feelings. In a sense, these guys just skip the first step of sex, romance and infatuation.

dhimes• 6 years ago

It'll be interesting if it works backwards— if they grow to have a romantic interest in each other.

ryanmarsh3• 6 years ago

You can grown to love someone the same as you can grow to hate them.

derbOac• 6 years ago

I think it almost is guaranteed to at least sometimes, if it's not already there from the beginning.

I am deeply skeptical of claims of a platonic relationship in which the couple is having sex to conceive (per the article). It seems almost by definition not platonic at that point.

It think the "platonic" schema is what binds the couple. A couple where the members are saying they don't want romance etc but are having sex and raising children over the long haul might just be expressing a mutual interest in a form of relational style, just like other couples that express a desire for a different relational style. If you have two people who don't want to admit they want a relationship, or want some basics but not the warm and fuzzies most people are looking for, you'd end up with something like this.

norswap• 6 years ago

There's probably research on that.

tokai2• 6 years ago

It seems like you are wrong.

"Contrary to what has been widely believed, long-term romantic love (with intensity, sexual interest, and engagement, but without the obsessive element common in new relationships), appears to be a real phenomenon that may be enhancing to individuals’ lives—positively associated with marital satisfaction, mental health, and overall well-being. [...] long-term marriage does not necessarily kill the romance in one's relationship"

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1037/a0014226

buddhiajuke• 6 years ago

This is the case in my marriage, but not in my parents’. They are musicians, artists, perform together and/or take active stakes in each other’s careers. They weren’t sexual as I was growing up (I’m not giving intimate details here) but they had this whole other source of cohesion. A much greater one indeed — I have fond sexual memories but my parents have dozens of live albums at cool venues.

Then, maybe all of this anomie is a disease of affluence. The other thing that united my parents was that, well, they had to fight for survival and for the means if giving us kids a decent childhood experience. Maybe that alone works like continuous shared trauma, us-two-against-the-world.

PunchTornado• 6 years ago

of course there are couples like that. OP was asking about the majority. is the majority like that? that study you linked doesn't seek to answer this question.

srtjstjsj3• 6 years ago

That article says romance exists, not that it's the majority situation. Even leaving aside unromantic surviving marriages, the high divorce rate is strong evidence.

andrewmcwatters3• 6 years ago

Are you male, under 30, and unmarried? Because this seems like a wildly out of touch statement.

peteretep• 6 years ago

By September, they had conceived – naturally – and were pregnant

Don’t think they skipped the sex step.

tharne2• 6 years ago

I suspect you're a young, unmarried, man. You know who has a lot of sex? Married people.

username902• 6 years ago

You know who has more sex? Unmarried couples. Sex frequency goes down with relationship duration. So if you want to have lots of sex you want to go between relationships instead of staying a long time in one.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-passion-paradox/....

ryanmarsh3• 6 years ago

If you are correct then why get married at all?

Anecdotally many are in unhappy marriages but we also have no-fault divorce. So you can end it if need be. I suspect you are wrong though. If everyone has an exit to take and everyone wants to take the exit, aside from a cohort that cannot take the exit, why don’t they?

bilbo0s• 6 years ago

Divorce statistics say that a lot of people do take the exit. But, yes, statistics also say that a lot of those people get remarried. So if people keep getting married over and over, they must like it for some reason.

smm2000• 6 years ago

bookmarkable• 6 years ago

This is a scene from Logan's Run.

andrewmcwatters3• 6 years ago

"I noticed a lot of people were having kids and starting families later in life. Many would spend their 20’s and 30’s focused on advancing their careers, making money, and pursuing individual experiences and travel. As they got older, many people, particularly women approaching 40 who were still single, started to feel the pressures of biological clock and were growing frustrated by the short term casual relationships they were finding on the mainstream dating apps. They had limited options for finding a like-minded person who was ready to start a family. I wanted to build a platform for everyone who is ready to start a family and help educate them on all of the ways they can make that happen. We connect and educate people who are looking to start a family in any arrangement that works best for them, whether it be a romantic relationship, a platonic co-parent, or a known donor."[1]

[1] https://www.modamily.com/about-us

Sounds like a platform for spinsters.

silexia• 6 years ago

Isn't this similar in result to an arranged marriage in a lot of ways?

watwut6• 6 years ago

I find it highly unlikely that someone who spend over 15 years in causual short relationships to suddenly be able to completely change approaching 40ties.

Long term relationships are different then short term ones and changing habits is hard.

twiclo• 6 years ago

This is disgusting

benmller313• 6 years ago

Don't be so judgemental, they seem happy and it doesn't effect you.

tharne2• 6 years ago

If there's one phenomenon that marks the modern era more than any other, it's the replacement of the relational with the transactional.

spaetzleesser• 6 years ago

You could argue that in the past a lot of relationships were also transactional. In many circles marriage was more about securing inheritance. Marriage out of love is a relatively new concept.

salmonfamine• 6 years ago

That was really only true for a narrow segment of the population that had access to wealth though.

Inthenameofmine• 6 years ago

For most people in most societies it always was. It just used to be surplus value extraction from the wife for the husband and clan, and later the capitalist employing the husband. With the increase in bargaining power of women in society extraction of surplus value bacame more two-way and the capitalist class was able to extract surplus value directly from the women instead of roundabout through the men. Hence both partners need to work to have the same living standard as before with just one partner working.

TimTheTinker6• 6 years ago

Probably a regression from Judeo-Christian values, where personal relationships and the character required to live relationally within a community are valued far above transactional or contractual relationships.

paulryanrogers3• 6 years ago

Indeed, let's go back to stoning, slavery, and forcing women to drink dusty water to assuage their husband's jealousy.

astura2• 6 years ago

Modern? Um, arranged marriages, child marriages, and forced marriages are far from modern yet they are inherently transactional and were extremely common in the past. Hardly modern.

We even consider it "tradition" to have a woman's father walk her down the isle during a wedding ceremony to "give her away" - representing a transfer of property from father to husband.

agumonkey2• 6 years ago

I'd like to read about the past 'forced' marriages.. I think we're being led to a mostly financial contract whereas I presume the human context of the past made these things way more emotional than it appears to be.

TimTheTinker6• 6 years ago

"give her away" - representing a transfer of property from father to husband.

I doubt you're a father of a daughter you love dearly, or I think you'd see it differently. Have you ever heard a dad half-joking about how reluctant he felt to let his daughter go out on her first date? (Or jokes fathers sometimes tell about cleaning guns when first meeting her new boyfriend, etc.)

There is a "letting go" involved, and especially so when she gets married: someone else will be the first man in her life now. "Giving her away" in the wedding ceremony symbolizes that "letting go" that the dad does--hopefully willingly, joyfully, and knowing the man she's marrying will love her dearly.

klipt2• 6 years ago

I think marriage for practical reasons is a very ancient phenomenon. Of course most people prefer to find someone who is both a good practical partner and attractive to them romantically, but if you can't do both probably better to have the practical connection without the romance than the opposite.

einpoklum• 6 years ago

I would qualify that and say: Relations are becoming more shallow and more transactional. Co-parenting with someone is still a long-term relationship, albeit every person in that relationship (including the child) is less close to every other person in it.

naruvimama• 6 years ago

I would not be too worried. We had internet dating take over.

As a guy on dating sites it is apparent that love is already transactional and has always been.

Height, baldness, race, nationality seem to be the primary checkboxes for most women, shockingly even your education, work or usefulness to society rank pretty low.

cryptica• 6 years ago

Problem: There are so many selfish psychopaths in our society that nobody can find a good, honest and reliable partner anymore.

Solution: Help psychopaths to have children together.

Outcome: Breeds more psychopaths so that there are even more of them.

Next problem: Too many psychopathic murderers.

Next solution: Co-parenting service for serial killers.

Outcome: ...

Humanity terrifies me.

tolbish2• 6 years ago

The solution to a lack of empathy, intimacy, and romance in our society is to normalize transactional child rearing? Get real.

ryanmarsh3• 6 years ago

Married men earn more. The economy is disincentivized to protect or encourage healthy marriage. There are a number of other factors that also serve to drive us towards later child birth, fewer marriages, and the outsourcing of everything the family would have done in the past.

Rather dystopian.

tremon• 6 years ago

What makes you think there is no empathy or intimacy in a platonic relationship?

tolbish2• 6 years ago

The article leads with 'I wanted to meet a mate and have a baby without wasting time’.

It also reads as if the people in the article optimized their lives for money and then realized in mid life that they neglected the core parts of forming deep personal romantic connections. It casts the forming of deep romantic bonds as "wasting time" and as something that can be purchased later on.

permo-w• 6 years ago

Not that I disagree with you, but did anyone say that that’s what this is?

phkahler3• 6 years ago

> Anderson already had a young son – she split from his father when he was one. She signed up to two websites in early 2019. She wanted the opportunities that having two parents in a child’s life could bring.

Its known as cuckoldry. Why would a guy want to voluntarily raise another man's child and not even get sex with the mom as part of the deal? That takes it to a whole new level.

true_religion• 6 years ago

Because you get to father the child?

Would you see it as a similar arrangement, if a woman agreed to raise a child that wasn’t her own?

phkahler3• 6 years ago

I understand raising children as a goal. I can also see raising one you didnt make as a thing. I dont see making such a commitment with a platonic other as much of a thing.

A cynical way to see the woman in the article is that she went and had a good time with the wrong guy - whom she was attracted to - and now is literally looking for a "nice guy" to help raise her kid. The absurd part is that she doesn't even want to bring anything to the table in return and thinks that's perfectly normal.

r00fus2• 6 years ago

How does this work?

"the decision to have a child with someone you are not romantically involved with and, in most cases, choose not to live with"

I can understand that a lot of divorced marriages end up in a similar state - this just sounds like getting to that state more quickly - what outcomes does that bring for the child/ren?

julius_set• 6 years ago

So the kids grow up seeing their parents as just associates. Sounds healthy, what a great way to show your kids how intimacy, empathy, and a normal romantic relationship works.

ivanfat5• 6 years ago

50% of marriages end in divorce and kids are living in separate homes already. The co-parents do show love for each other, the child, and any other relationship.

apta• 6 years ago

And the degeneracy of society continues.

ivanfat5• 6 years ago

Happy to answer any questions. I'm the founder of Modamily.

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