Cloudflare dumps reCAPTCHA as Google intends to charge for its use

https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudflare-dumps-recaptcha-as-google-intends-to-charge-for-its-use/

by 1cvmask • 6 years ago

58 29 6 years ago

baq• 6 years ago

Maybe finally I’ll be able to browse the Web in private mode via vpn instead of useless clicking tiles with cars or traffic lights.

evgen• 6 years ago

Unfortunately, sites are far more likely to just block such a risky connection and write off the opportunity cost.

seunosewa• 6 years ago

They use hCaptcha now which is even worse as it requires us to do two tasks.

stevenjohns• 6 years ago

Tell me about it. Even using Firefox with a couple of adblocking lists is enough for Google to think I'm high risk enough to need a half dozen captchas.

matheusmoreira• 6 years ago

Yeah. Feels like I'm being punished for daring to resist their surveillance capitalism.

yusi-san• 6 years ago

I know right, everytime there's a website with reCaptcha on it it makes me fail two times to pass at the third. Tiles takes ages to load and fade to display new ones.

I like to do comparisons with Chromium based browsers on the exact same site, how much time it takes to pass the captcha. Obviously the chromium based one is way faster to solve.

I don't really know why Google makes it this way. If it's only because of my Firefox configuration that makes Google think I'm a bot. Or if Google can't retrieve enough data on my browsing habits to bother me and force me (in a way) to browse on a chromium based browser.

The thing is I never saw informations talking about it, so I'll pass on denouncing Google's behavior.

For those interested there's a good browser add-on to bypass reCaptchas : Buster [1]

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/buster-captch...

Mediterraneo102• 6 years ago

I wouldn't mind CAPTCHA hell so much if the tasks I was doing were benefiting libre projects that everyone could draw on, like OpenStreetMap or Wikipedia. The offensive thing about CAPTCHA is that your work is for the sole sake of improving one corporation’s product.

asah• 6 years ago

I thought this was in lieu of payment...

rapnie• 6 years ago

That would be a great idea for a captcha project! You might wanna post to open-source-ideas: https://github.com/open-source-ideas/open-source-ideas

pmlnr2• 6 years ago

Good. Make it EXPENSIVE and thus purge it from the web.

c0inster4• 6 years ago

Agreed. I hate it. Luckily they is a way around it: https://github.com/dessant/buster

IshKebab2• 6 years ago

That doesn't seem like a way around the problem of how to identify bots without pissing off humans. If anything it will make it worse!

skrebbel• 6 years ago

How do you propose to solve the problem Captchas are designed to solve, if not through Captchas?

dredmorbius• 6 years ago

The question is more one of whom to trust than of telling humans from computers.

That remains a Hard Problem.

icefo• 6 years ago

As usual you shouldn't depend on Google for anything (especially if it's free) but I wonder what motivated them to charge for reCAPTCHA.

For Gmaps I could see the reason: we have the best map so you're going to pay a lot of money if you want to use it.

But I fail to see the reason for reCAPTCHA if they still intend to build their self driving car: the more classified data they have about the world the better and reCAPTCHA is probably inexpensive to run.

Cyberdog• 6 years ago

The article hinted at this possibility, but perhaps Google has been using reCAPTCHA to train their systems for so long that the value of identifying yet another stoplight or crosswalk is no longer worth the cost of running the service to them.

dna_polymerase• 6 years ago

Does that imply Google has moved past supervised learning?

nkozyra• 6 years ago

Hard to draw that conclusion versus they feel like they finally have "enough" training data.

detaro• 6 years ago

previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22812509

tcmb• 6 years ago

Is there any information from Google on moving to a paid model for reCaptcha? I couldn't find anything. Is this only for large-volume customers like cloudflare, and thus not announced publically anywhere?

c0inster4• 6 years ago

Probably don't need all the free AI training in that direction anymore. Just a guess.

seemslegit• 6 years ago

Given how abusive recaptcha is for anyone running a even a minimally tracking-hardenned browser, dumping it is not just a matter of cost savings - it's good business as far as conversion rates are concerned.

captn3m0• 6 years ago

Nice to see that the alternative (hCaptcha) supports PrivacyPass.

gexla• 6 years ago

I want to be happy about this. I look forward to a future where I never have to see another fire hydrant, bus or stop light. At times I identify so many traffic landmarks I feel like I just went through a commute to get to the thing I wanted to see.

I don't think that's our future though. It appears the replacement is much the same. From the article.

Intuition Machines usually makes money by renting access to hCaptcha to companies who want to run image classification experiments, and then pay website owners to implement its hCaptcha product.

Cloudflare dumps reCAPTCHA as Google intends to charge for its use

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