Ask YC: 6-Month road trip down the west coast...much advice needed

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by ssanders82 • 18 years ago

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Hi. Twitter version: Bored in SC, apartment lease up, want to see western US.

Wordpress version: I'm a 26 year-old single freelance web dev working fulltime from home in South Carolina. Lived in the southeast my whole life; now is as good a time as any to see something else. My very tentative plan is take my trusty F-150 ($4 gas = ouch) across the country and stay in one place for a month or two, then keep moving. If I love it somewhere, hell, I'll stay. Itinerary: SC -> Vancouver? -> Seattle -> Portland -> Sacramento -> SF/SJ -> San Diego -> Vegas? -> SLC -> Denver. Or something.

My plan is to look for furnished apartments with month-to-month leases or find extended-stay hotels. To be open about my budget, I work 40hrs/week @$40/hour (all remotely) and I plan on keeping 30 hrs+/week throughout my travels. (Haven't talked to my client about it yet but they're very cool.) That should cover my cost of living. I know downtown metros are expensive but 15 miles away I should be able to find some housing. (Right?) Say, $1,200/month avg? (SF notwithstanding)

My current lease here is up July 31st. If I could scrape 1% of the YC'ers collective knowledge about the west coast and extended road trips, it would be a humongous help. So that you can refer to them by number, here are my questions:

1.) Is that itinerary FUBAR? Any other city suggestions? I was trying to migrate south as it got colder this fall, then maybe to Denver to ski :)

2.) Is there even such a thing as month-to-month furnished apartments? Google's not a lot of help. Is $1,200/mo. for temp housing a good guess?

3.) Work: I will need wireless internet service; I'm looking at Alltel EVDO @ $60/month. Verizon & Sprint EVDO's cap at 5GB/mo. Unacceptable. Any other options / experiences? I will be working from desktop + 2 LCD's when I can, HP laptop when I can't.

4.) Need to buy: Garmin nuvi 350 GPS, digital camera, external USB hard drive for backup/photos...any other nontrivial essentials?

5.) People in the cities I mentioned - what do I simply have to experience in my time there?

6.) Catch-all advice on the western US

7.) Catch-all advice on extended road trips

And, last but definitely not least, does anybody on that route want to meet up? I follow HN daily, had 3 sites I've built on TechCrunch, had YC in-person interview last spring (stayed in SF & really liked it), and just love to talk ideas and execution. Supper and some beers with a few of you would be a welcome respite from my solo saga.

THANKS!!!

BlogSpot version: Buy VI@GRA!

Sam

samstrip at gmail (Damn, that's supposed to indicate "Sam's Trip", not "Sam, Strip")

olefoo• 18 years ago

Travel lighter.

In Portland, take a day or two to wander around Powell's and Powell's Technical.

Be prepared to lose stuff.

Don't forget there's more to the west than cities.

Post the URL of your trip blog.

Have Fun.

jgrahamc• 18 years ago

Don't miss the smaller places like Santa Barbara.

tjr• 18 years ago

I rather like the Laguna Beach area.

noodle2• 18 years ago

1) if you really have the time, if i were you, i'd go across to the grand canyon, north to yellowstone, and up to vancouver for your adventure. sounds like you're going big, and those two places are must-sees if you've not seen them.

2) yeah, you can rent vacation condos on the cheap. i spent two weeks in south beach for less than half the cost of a hotel in a fully furnished large apartment. check out http://www.vrbo.com/ -- you can negotiate with the owners on price, especially if you're taking up a huge hole in their calendar.

3) i have no experience for you.

4) sounds like you've got it covered, and you can always buy stuff on the way. car charger for the cell, maybe.

5) i'd worry less about the cities. you can find out the must-see stuff in a city with a quick google search. a substantial amount of the best stuff on your trip will probably be in between bigger cities. especially on the way to the west coast.

6) everything is more expensive. especially compared to clemson.

7) take the time to stretch your legs and experience the stuff in between your destinations if you can spare it.

i'd have some beers before you leave, i'm also in SC :)

breck• 18 years ago

1) definitely go to the grand canyon if you haven't been. 2) i hope there is, because I'd like to do the same thing soon. 3) i have a tethered modem plan on my blackberry with Verizon. It provides EVDO for only $10 a month on top of my voice plan. Pretty sure its unlimited(but I also thought SMS were unlimited for $10/month, and its actually only 500, so don't take my word for it). 4) Maybe you can wait on the new blackberry or iPhone? GPS, EvDO, camera--all in one package.

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Cool, I have been to the Grand Canyon, but it's been, oh, 15 years. VRBO.com looks nice but kinda pricey. Where are you in SC?

noodle2• 18 years ago

columbia, but i went to clemson.

vbro is a little pricey, but like i said, it will put you in contact directly with the owners of the properties, with whom you can negotiate directly. find one you like and is available and contact the person and ask to see if you can get a discount for occupying for an extended length.

einarvollset2• 18 years ago

Do Vancouver; nice startup scene (see e.g. http://www.launchpartyhq.com/), AMAZING scenery, and either way only 2.5hrs from Seattle.

The downside is that $1200/month here is a little on the low side unless you don't mind living well out of town. I'd say $1500 for a monthly (more if you rent per-week) in downtown. Check out: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/sub/ and know that you want the following neighbourhoods: Downtown, Kitsilano (aka Kits), West-End, around West 10th, Commercial Drive (cheaper) or Coal Harbour (with the juppies..)

If you decide to come here, definitely let's hook up for a beer or three: einar.vollset@gmail.com. (which goes for anyone else around here too btw)

Finally, I'd swap the pickup for a Golf TDI if you're gonna drive that far... :-)

Cheers,

Einar

elai• 18 years ago

If your going to use craiglist for appartments, use craiglist appartments on google maps, alot nicer!

http://www.housingmaps.com/

einarvollset2• 18 years ago

Hmm.. yeah. Except the site doesn't seem to pick up a lot of postings even though they have addresses. And those it does pickup is quite often outdated. I've also had a problem of Bay Area ads showing up in BC. So sure, but know it's lacking in coverage.

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Thanks man, I've heard a lot of great things about Vancouver here. Hope to look you up.

joeguilmette• 18 years ago

avoid sacramento at all costs. there is nothing to see.

one option, at least in the bay area, would be to use couchsurfing.com.

in the bay area you wont need mobile broadband. there is unprotected wireless everywhere, and every coffee shop will have free wireless.

while in the bay area use yelp from pretty much everything. we use it a lot down here and pretty much every business has a lot of reviews.

also, be sure to check out santa cruz while you're in the bay. a fun little town.

some google fodder: -big sur -big basin -the saturn cafe, santa cruz -gourmet ghetto, berkeley -the berkeley bowl -berkeley in general -california farmer's markets -the red vic -china town, sf -ucsc's campus, very pretty

again, dont go to sacramento.

hugh• 18 years ago

I live near Sacramento, and I'd agree it's not really worth going out of your way to visit. It's not a bad or unpleasant place, and parts of midtown are quite nice, but there's not much point in being here if you could be somewhere else.

If you're heading inland from SF you should (as someone else said) visit Lake Tahoe instead.

I don't agree with what other people are saying about trading in your car on something more economical. You're doing maybe three thousand miles, but it's spread over a six month period, making your total gas costs for the actual road-trip only a hundred odd bucks a month. If the F-150 is reliable and holds all the stuff you want to take, then take it.

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Thanks man, a pretty common theme has been sacremento--, vancouver++

tectonic• 18 years ago

Highly recommend the National Parks in Utah (Bryce, Zion, Capital Reef, etc.) as well as Monument Valley.

colortone5• 18 years ago

Arches Nat'l park, too!

antiismist2• 18 years ago

Zion National Park Narrows is definitely worth a look - you walk / swim through rivers in super-narrow stone canyons.

RyanGWU822• 18 years ago

Also Yosemite in California -- it's just unbelievable. I was there last weekend and I was just amazed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryangwu82/sets/7215760536136072...

colortone5• 18 years ago

omg! those pics are amazing!

i wonder where sam could go to a) stay online and b) have access to stuff like that...

utx00• 18 years ago

and arches! in moab.

colortone5• 18 years ago

Sam, are you seriously going to go to Sacramento BUT NOT LOS ANGELES???

LA is an incredible place with loads of amazing places to stay for week or month-long intervals (lots of "creatives" running around subletting their apartment)

i can probably set you up somewhere if you want to drop a line.

i recommend venice as a beach area (also marina del rey, which is cheaper)...silver lake for an inland area that's really cool and beautiful...can't go wrong with west hollywood or the hollywood hills for sheer, um, hollyweirdness.

there's also pasadena and hoity toity areas like pacific palisades or topanga that would be fun.

keep in mind that LA is freaking HUGE (roughly 30miles by 30 miles).

and also that it's optimal to be here october-april (although the beach areas are temperate year round...it can get hot once you're >10 miles inland in the summer).

The people in Orange County are basically how they are portrayed on MTV, but Laguna Beach is really beautiful and has great beaches. You could probably find a spot there in the off-season that you'd love.

I found this service to be pretty useful for finding apartments in specific areas:

kexter.com

holler if you'd like some help!

ethanbauley // gmail

(Virginia transplant)

(PS you really need to post up in Big Sur or somewhere similar on the north side of SF. Sonoma/Napa is incredible, too).

Just saw your budget, you will be set up with INCREDIBLE studio/1 bedroom places in LA w/ that budget. You could do it for less.

I might think about losing the pickup truck for this trip...but I'd have to crunch the numbers ;-)

iamyoohoo• 18 years ago

look at craigslist if you need something in greater LA. or westsiderentals.com

petercooper• 18 years ago

I was about to post the same.. WTF isn't Los Angeles in the intinerary? I prefer it to SF personally.

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Well, thanks for your excitement! I actually have friends in LA but maybe I've been corrupted by the TV portrayal...I kinda saw it as traffic-mired and vacuous and not really worth navigating. You may have changed my mind my friend.

colortone5• 18 years ago

Ya, I thought that too until I visited and then moved here for grad school. There's plenty of vacuous stuff going on, but it's only part of the overall scene. LA is incredibly diverse.

There's a reason millions of people live here and the real estate is retardedly expensive. It's effing awesome.

(Especially for someone who's clearly as open to new experiences as you are; I think you'll love it if you find the right scene)

SwellJoe• 18 years ago

Cue Mastercard commercial...

Getting out of South Carolina: priceless. (I was born in SC, and grew up in Greenville. I can say stuff like that.)

1. Itinerary should be whatever you want to see. You'll never have a better time for traveling than now...young, single, plenty of cash. Just take your time, and travel light. The increased stress of moving and keeping up with lots of stuff isn't worth the benefits you get from having the lots of stuff. If after a few days you really wish you'd brought X, you can probably buy X for less than the hassle of having X, Y, and Z "just in case" is worth.

2. $1200 is low for anywhere in the bay area, not just SF. Otherwise, I guess it's probably right (though I haven't shopped for housing anywhere outside of the bay area). Though I have seen a few good short-term deals on Craigslist. You might try lining something up a week or two in advance of your trip to any of the high demand areas, since finding something on short notice may be hard.

4. Safety net:

- Health insurance (from a national provider, preferably)

- $200-$300 cash tucked someplace safe - if your wallet is lost, you still want to be able to get a hotel room or something for a night or two, and eating is not optional

- Bank account that has ATMs and branches across the range of where you're traveling (BoA, WaMu, Wells Fargo, I guess?)

- Good credit card for car rentals and airline tickets (because of the extra "travel protection" services they provide...it's trivial, but probably worth getting anyway, as even a small reduction of stress when traveling has a very high value)

- Emergency contact names and numbers on a card in visible location in your wallet

I agree with Einar. Trade in the pickup for a small hatchback (though, for reliability, I'd recommend a good Japanese car over a VW, even thought my girlfriend has an 07 Rabbit that's tolerable). It'll give you more freedom of movement when weather is bad, more security for your stuff, and it'll offer a moderately nicer place to sleep than the pickup if you get stuck somewhere overnight. It'll also get significantly higher mileage per gallon. The tradeoff is that it won't hold quite as much, but if it won't fit in a hatchback, you're probably taking too much stuff.

I suspect you won't have a hard time getting some HN folks together in the Bay Area. Nerds and entrepreneurs love to talk. Drop me a line when you get here.

kirubakaran2• 18 years ago

Any reason for staying in the country?

Drive up and down Highway 101 and you are pretty much done. (I've been all over the west coast)

We can meet up when you come to Seattle (gmail kirubakaran)

davidw4• 18 years ago

Yeah, I5 south of Redding is boring, and so is Sacramento for that matter. Take 101/1 south - leave I5 in Grants Pass and go the inland coast route. It's a beautiful, if slower drive.

natrius• 18 years ago

But if you're going to do that in the winter, make sure you take the right road.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kim#The_Kims_become_snowb...

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Staying in the country = alpha version of Sam traveling. Spain / Thailand / Australia = beta version :)

kirubakaran2• 18 years ago

Oh okay.

maxharris2• 18 years ago

Over three weeks in the summer of 2006, I took a road trip from Madison, WI through the following places (in order): Mitchell, SD Rapid City, SD Sheridan, WY Yellowstone National Park Missoula, MT Coeur d'Alene ID Spokane, WA Grand Coulee Dam (awesome - tours are free!) Lake Chelan, WA

-> take highway 2 into Everett/Seattle. It's the most beautiful thing you'll see! Seattle, WA (spend more time here - see Pike Place, the public library, which is a beautiful, tall and extremely modern building downtown)

Olympic Peninsula (skip this - stay in Seattle longer)

Portland, OR (Seattle is way better - but if you're in there, go to Saburo's - http://www.saburos.com/ - you might have to wait an hour, but the sushi there is incredible.)

Driving down PCH is a great plan. I like the northern better.

I saw a bunch of other stuff, but Oregon's not nearly as impressive as Washington or Northern California (don't miss the Bay Area, of course, but don't bother driving any further south.)

We went from LA to Vegas, and it's skip-able. Utah was OK, and from there we went to Denver and then back home.

The whole trip was over 7,000 miles.

Anyway, focus on the pacific northwest. It's just beautiful. I was just in San Diego for a week last fall, and it's awful. You'll just wish you were in SF, so stay away from San Diego.

And if you're into Canada, try visiting Banff. I'm going there next (on a trip that will take me to Alaska and then to Hawaii by ferry.)

You're probably going to hate your truck. I would get something sleeker.

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Cool, a lot of people have mentioned trying to see the smaller towns. What makes you not like San Diego? I think the weather would be much better than SF.

maxharris2• 18 years ago

Smaller towns can be great.

But food in San Diego's downtown is incredibly expensive given the (bad) quality. The whole place is a giant tourist trap, but this is especially true for the "gaslamp district". If you go anyway, don't say I didn't warn you!

And I'm really serious about Saburo's - the place is amazing. For $20 you can get more sushi than you can possibly eat in an evening. Every piece of fish they give you is about 4x larger than you'd find anywhere else.

lanej0• 18 years ago

Hey Sam,

Vancouver's pretty pricey too. You may want to check out Vancouver island/Victoria instead. Either way, there's plenty to see & do, and really, they're only an hour apart on a boat (it might save you some money though).

The west coast stays pretty temperate year-round (even up here in Canada), but heading south is never a bad idea. You might want to drop some Mexican destinations in there at the end (beaches never hurt)

Another idea might be to see if you can lease/borrow/buy an RV. Sure, the gas issue sucks, but there's a ton of nice camp grounds up and down the coast, and it will help with your budget.

If you do make it up north, I'm out in the Southern Gulf Islands (Mayne Island, Google Map it). If you're up for a day trip sometime, I'd be happy to show you around.

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

I might do that, thanks!

antiismist2• 18 years ago

I did a 6 week summer road trip a couple years ago - from Ventura up to Tahoe, then Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Banff, Glacier Natl Park, Montana, Idaho, Salt Lake City, then finishing up in Vegas.

If you have a truck then maybe a camper shell will come in handy. In a pinch you can always sleep at a truck stop or walmart parking lots.

Geographically, the coast of Oregon is amazing - recommend some beach camping. Olympic National Forest is interesting - the only rainforest north of the equator. The Montana / Idaho area is nice but only if you are into the outdoors / nuclear powered aircraft (http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/ID/Airfields_ID_...). Salt Lake City is great for skiing and mormon watching (I found it interesting). And everyone knows what Vegas is about.

Denver is probably too far out of your way to be worth it - plenty of good skiing all over CA and Utah.

etal• 18 years ago

As others have said, skip Sacramento, stick to the coasts (Hwy. 101). If you ditch the truck, you'll also have a much easier time driving and parking in the cities -- parallel parking in downtown anywhere can require some dexterity. Look for a used Civic hatchback or similar.

While you're in San Diego, you can go a certain distance into Mexico for a day trip occasionally without much commitment -- Ensenada, easy. Hotels are easy enough to come by that you can head further south for a weekend or so, to see more of Baja (maybe San Felipe). You'll notice that the further you get from the border, things get less sketchy and more interesting. I only mention it because you started by mentioning you'd like to see "something else", and you can definitely cover more than the U.S. west coast in 6 months.

Another day trip from Long Beach that probably wouldn't occur to you: Take a boat to Catalina Island with some friends, rent bicycles, get blitzed, eat sushi. It's a resort town done right -- golf carts instead of cars, lots of beach, and easy food, drink and sightseeing. One day is enough.

deepster• 18 years ago

* Bring a bike and a snowboard!

* Go to Tahoe/Reno.

* Do a West coast run up to Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Whistler. Ski in BC!

* I'd highly recommend spending lots of time in Portland/Vancouver. Both cities have a lively startup scene and the social scene is more friendly than Silicon Valley IMHO.

raju• 18 years ago

This may be something you have considered, but you might want to consider an automated online back-up service rather than an external hard-drive. Less stuff to carry around and much more insurance.

Hope you have a great trip... Good luck. I live in Columbus, OH so if you are ever around, drop me a line (email is in profile)

iamelgringo• 18 years ago

Sounds like a lot of fun, Sam. Good for you.

Here's my thoughts:

Keep the truck, but get a Truck Camper: http://www.truckcampermagazine.com/ Hell, if you can afford it, get a miniRV. It know it's kind of old school. But there's a lot of people on the West Coast that have them. And the RV parks should be fairly good pickings after the summer's over. They aren't really sexy, but you should be able to stay in very nice RV parks that have wifi, hookups, pools, grills, etc... for about 800-900 a month. And, you don't have to worry about finding a month to month lease. There are even a couple of RV parks outside of LA, but there's a 8-9 month waiting list to get in. If you go this route, you'll have to have another form of transportation for runs to the grocery store, etc... for that, get a vespa or a bike.

As for supplies: Skip the desktop and 2 LCD's. If you need the extra screen real estate, use your laptop and plug in an extra LCD monitor, keyboard and mouse. After 3 months, hauling a big case around gets really old.

++ for Utah's/Arizona's national parks like Grand Canyon, Bryce, Zion, Arches, Monument Valley.

Skip Tahoe. Do stop by Shasta and spend some time along the coast in Northern Cal. If you do the Eastern slope of the Sierra's at all, stop by the Bodie ghost town. It's awesome: http://www.bodie.com/ Spend some time in Big Sur.

My favorite part of California is the Central Coast between Big Sur and Santa Barbara. There's a small college town called San Luis Obispo that has a good engineering school (i.e. nerds) and a string of quiet little beach towns all around. My wife and I try to get down there every 3-4 months to unwind. It's lovely. Not exactly a big party zone, but nice if you like the beach and peace and quiet.

Buy a wet suit and a surf board and learn how to surf. You can park your camper RV along highway 1 and surf at any number of beaches along the coast.

I really didn't like LA much at all. Lived there for 2 years. Meh. YMMV.

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Hey, I have thought about a truck camper (seems like ~$5000) but I've never really been in an RV park so I didn't know what to make of it. (Showers? Toilets?) Big Sur has been mentioned to me a few times.

gunderson• 18 years ago

Sounds like you've gotten some good advice so far. Here's what I'd add:

Camping in the lake Tahoe area is great, particularly one campground on "Emerald Bay". If you're there in winter, do try snowboarding/skiing.

In the SF area I recommend checking out Pacifica and Santa Cruz, and making a quick stop through Carmel. Each is a different flavor of northern CA beach town.

Also, north of SF Mendocino is awesome and the surrounding area is quite unfettered compared with a lot of areas that attract tourists.

In SF, you can find a monthly room in someone's apartment/house for $400 to $600 on Craigslist.

Also, check out the wine country (tourist attraction but there are some nice restaurants, and everything is posh and manicured, yet not in a stodgy way), and definitely check out the redwoods (Muir woods is easy to get to but there are others) for some hiking. You don't see trees like that every day. The smell of the redwoods and the eucalyptus will be memorable for a long time... it's wonderful.

In SF proper, check out the mission district, and yes, Yelp is a great resource. Also, there are a bunch of cool technology oriented meetups in the bay area, so spend at least a few days (at the beginning of a month) around here so that you can check some of them out (js, mysql, ruby, startups, etc.).

You can't miss L.A. either. I highly recommend going to this place called Skybar which is in the Mondrian hotel. Book an (expensive) room for one night at the hotel (preferably Thurs, Fri, or Sat) and go to Skybar that night and mingle with the local L.A. scenesters. I have done this a few times and it's quite an experience. Also, the Mondrian looks out over the bluffs and you have a great view of the HOLLYWOOD sign. Hey, you're visiting the west coast so just bite the bullet and be a cultural anthropologist for a night... :)

If you go south of L.A., check out the fish taco scene. The NY Times ran an article last year about a west coast taco "exploration" that a writer wrote up on a similar trip.

For the driving, I recommend that you stay on the 1 when possible, as the view of the ocean is worth quite a bit. The 5 is full of trucks and it's very hot and unpleasant.

In general, I recommend trying to conserve money by doing things like camping, couch crashing at people's houses, etc., and then splurging a bit on some good food now and then.

Restaurants I recommend: Cafe Gratitude (creative vegan fare that will knock your socks off, particularly the coconut pie), Pane e Vino (in SF, try the pizza with arugula), Mustard's (in Yountville, decent prices and a sample of the great food of the wine country).

Also, sprint EVDO doesn't always have a cap. Mine was a bit more expensive and has unlimited bandwidth.

colortone5• 18 years ago

much good advice here. i don't know if i'd recommend mondrian/skybar that strongly but it's definitely cool. cuba cuba, the restaurant in the mondrian, is amazing (asian fusion).

for my dollar, the best restaurant in L.A. is A.O.C. on 3rd in WeHo. Chic and very unpretentious, a rare combo in LA.

Also go to Milk at Beverly and Poinsettia for insane milkshakes and homemade ice cream sandwiches, Insane.

There are also many many awesome hikes right in the Hollywood hills, including Runyon Canyon (ZOMG girl watching) and Bronson Canyon.

Finally, arguably the coolest spot in LA is the Edison downtown:

edisondowntown.com

Also the little temple bar (in silver lake) is cool, also 4100 bar.

if you're a coffee junkie, there is a [coveted] intelligentsia coffee house on sunset in silver lake as well

http://www.intelligentsiacoffee.com/retail/silverlake

Get to both of those places before 9:30pm or you'll be standing in line forever.

That's the key to going out in LA; go early (or pay $600 for bottle/table service)

Just email me when you're working your way down here, ref YC in all caps in the subject line so I get it ;-)

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Thanks for all the recommendations, that's awesome. I've had a few people suggest that I have to see L.A. if I'm in the area.

From my research, Sprint EVDO just added a cap very recently, or is planning on it...you might be grandfathered in.

comatose_kid• 18 years ago

In the bay area: hit Lake Tahoe, Napa, Yosemite. I'd be happy to meet up when you're in town (check my profile for contact info).

jmatt• 18 years ago

I think some background is in order so you know my perspective.

I spent 3 summer months traveling to the western continental US in 2000. I've been to every state west of the Mississippi. Since 2000, I've lived in Arizona and traveled extensively in Arizona, New Mexico and California. I enjoy hiking, skiing, mountain biking and visiting big cities and national parks.

I'd recommend staying in extended stay hotels and getting as much travel in as possible over picking up apartments.

Let's assume you find your way to Jackson WY. A cool small town in NW Wyoming. I'd visit Grand Teton and Yellowstone NP then head through Missoula, Montana to Coeur D'Alene / Spokane. Then head toward Seattle (or possibly the Columbia River valley to Portland). This is probably a week or two if you are working on and off.

I'd recommend Vancouver and Seattle as a base for the next week or two. I'd goto Victoria from Vancouver. I'd head to Olympic NP and Mt Rainier from Seattle. Mixing off days in downtown Seattle and/or Vancouver.

I'd head south to Portland and set up base here for another week or two. I'd hit up Mt Hood for some skiing in late summer (just fun because you can). And I'd cruise the Oregon coast. There are a ton of really cool cities on the coast. Portland has great breweries that should not be missed.

Next I'd head south toward San Francisco. Consider visiting Redwood NP. It's quite an excursion. If you do you'll probably want to take the 101 south. Even though this is a scenic drive it can be a bit crazy after six or eight hours of driving crazy coastal roads. If you are into easy going hippy / wine culture then this is a must. Since you'll pass through Eureka, Sonoma, Santa Rosa, Napa, etc.

I've only visited San Fransisco and San Jose a few times. This is a good place to set up a base. I'm assuming there will already be plenty of advice on visiting this area. There are definitely plenty of tourist areas that can be taken in depending on your interests. Yosemite NP and Lake Tahoe and Napa are a must if you are in the San Fransisco area.

I've driven from San Fransisco to LA a number of times and prefer the mountain drive. Versus the coast drive. Both are superior to just taking the 5.

The mountains: Yosemite and Kings Canyon and Sequoia NP. Farm land in between mountains. Definitely worth seeing the "rest" of California. Also great if you love the mountains and forest to the coast.

The coast: Monterey, Pebble Beach, San Luis Obispo. Golf courses, wineries and marinas. Definitely good if you have a significant other and a lot of cash. If you can afford it and aren't into mountains and giant trees this is the way to go.

Other than the beach cities I'd skip most of LA. With the exception of specific things you are interested in. Still you'll have to drive EVERYWHERE and it's huge. Maybe hook up with a friend there and get the tour that way.

Set up base in San Diego and Long Beach. The area is really cool. I've only visited as a tourist but it's definitely a lot of fun. You'll get the socal feel without having to spend too much time in LA.

I'm a big rock climber so I'd recommend Joshua Tree NP on the way out of California. But if you insist on some gambling then go through the Mojave / Death Valley to Las Vegas. I'd spend less time in LV and hit up a nicer hotel while there. That is just me personally. If you are in LV in the middle of the summer you should shop for deals beforehand because you'll be able to get some insane room rates. I've stayed in a huge 1200 sq ft suite for 150 a night in July and August. Always ask when you check in if there are any available upgrades.

Then I'd head to Zion NP, Bryce NP and end in the Grand Canyon NP. You could loop as far out as Moab and back to the Grand Canyon. I don't know how best to visit this area with a single base. This is all time dependent. I would recommend doing the south west late because Monsoons will have arrived. It will be somewhere between insanely hot and pleasant. But in May-July you'll just end up with the insanely hot bit. Seeing the monsoons tear across the SW is really awesome too. So with some lucky you'll catch some impressive storms.

If you have time and are down with the desert I would hit Tucson. Saguaros can not be found anywhere else in the world (just southern AZ and nothern MX). It's a laid back and cool town and where I currently live. It's one of those "big" small towns.

From there head to Santa Fe and on to Denver. If you are a bit insane and have the time I'd head through Durango and take the 550 up and around through the Rockies. If you are in a rush take 25 all the way through. The Great Sand Dunes NP is bizarre and just off of 25. It's a good place to stop if you have time and weather dependent. I personally prefer the ski areas on the western side of the Rockies. The cities and ski areas have a lot more character.

Have a great trip!

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Awesome man, thanks for the long post. I really appreciate any info I can get from someone who's been-there-done-that. This really helped me out because I am definitely interested in exploring some of nature's great exhibits that abound in this area.

mdakin• 18 years ago

Wow, such an awesome question!

* The road in Iowa that hugs the Mississippi is quite a nice relaxing drive relative to the Interstates. A good break.

* In the SD/WY area I90 is a much nicer road than I80.

* The camping/hiking in the Black Hills of SD is awesome. Be sure to drive Needles highway. Be aware of the timing of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally if you head toward the Black Hills.

* I recommend camping at Devil's Tower in Wyoming. There is something special about that place.

* Stop in Red Lodge Montana and then cross the continental divide on Beartooth Highway-- amazing drive and it will take you into Yellowstone.

* There is lift accessible skiing year-round (minus two weeks of maintenance time) at Mt. Hood in Oregon.

* There is some awesome camping at Pt. Reyes in Marin county north of SF. You'll need backcountry camping gear though as the sites are a mile or two away from the parking.

* Eat at Chez Panisse in Berkeley. This is where Alice Waters originated California Cuisine. It is special and delicious.

* Santa Cruz, Monterrey and Big Sur are all worth your time. I'd say much more deserving of your time than Sacramento is. Eat at Nepenthe in Big Sur.

* If you are out by Yosemite/Mammoth research hot springs in which you can soak.

* Despite the anti-Boulder sentiment I sometimes perceive here I think it's a great town and worth spending some time.

* If you take I80 and pass by Laramie let me know I can tell you a lot of cool things about Laramie and the surrounding countryside.

Good luck and have fun!

DevoMac2• 18 years ago

Did that last year, camped on beaches and parks when could.

watch for stacked rocks! They're everywhere (in the remotest parts of nowhere). I dunno who's stacking em, but I ran across about 2 dozen.

Lots of altitude, climate/temp changes very fast - light layers needed. get superlight rain jacket (stretchy kind, use as light jacket) waterproof hiking shoes/boots in seattle, pick up down vest at "feathered friends"

(glacier national park, yellowstone might be on your way. There is a national park pass for like 20bucks good everywhere. (got snowed on this time of year at yellowstone)

seattle: gum wall (by pike's market), troll under the bridge, waiting for the interurban (sculpture the locals "grafiti" for holidays, protests, whatever). First starbucks. Also, Seattle underground tour (town used to be one story lower), lots of history, deadly toilets and such. The namesake of Skid Road is downtown, where they used to slide all the timber down (poor people lived there)

Cross puget sound and go north around to the pacific - fantastic country down to OR. Watch beaches change from Olympic WA (western most point has a RV park by the indian res that will let you camp on the beach), to Imperial Beach in San Diego.

Hoh rainforest, the only rainforest in US over there.

Be sure to eat as much fresh fish/crab as possible, till you get LA and lower, switch to mexican...... mmm... fish tacos Lots of hole-in-the wall fish places to get smoked salmon instead of a candybar for a snack.

Oregon did beaches mostly, cool dunes portland has the worlds smallest park:"Over the years, items have been added like a tiny swimming pool and diving board for butterflies, a miniature Ferris wheel and more."

at the very SW corner (near cave junction), there is an "ewok village", a bunch of treehouses you can rent. multi-story, 40ft up, rope bridges, bonfire.. awesome. They have a zipline course you can take in the morning.

N Cali Jededia Smith Redwoods state park was coolest park - think land of the lost. Avenue of the giants is another, i think they have a tree you can drive through (there's a few).

Bohemian grove is up there (secret society retreat)

Nappa and Sonoma wine country is truly beautiful. (tell them you're buying a bottle - they'll let you taste for free)

San Fran: i dunno, tons. I want another crab eggs bennedict at the cliff house personally.

LA. Start of real mexican food. mmm...

Gamble on some horses in Delmar and hit the fun little ocean towns on the way down to san diego. Dont take the 5!! take the pacific coast highway. Sure it takes forever, but you've got time!

San Diego: Glider port (Torrey Pines?, north of LaJolla) big cliff hangliders/parasailers like to jump off. Bring bonoculars, its above Black's beach (nude). Famous modern architecture building. LaJolla has "munchkind land" (most is gated now, but you can get there if your sneaky). There's the beach full of seals (and seal's poop), but there's also a hidden on used to go to all the time, tourmaline or something. From there you can walk around beneath lajolla cliffs and its just you and the ocean. Pacific beach probably has the most "baywatch" style beach.

Downtown there's a parking ramp that's built too high. Sit on top and watch the airplanes come in and read the writing on the landing gear tires. Its a thrill.

I think you can tour some of the military ships, I got on an aircraft carrier while they were in port. Amazing.

there's the cross (good view) point loma has 360 panarama lookout.

Nearby on rosecrans, they'res Albertos Mexican food (California burrito has french fries) God love em. Rubios - famous for fish tacos

Ocean Beach is over there, fun throw-back to the 60's kinda vibe.

Then it gets crappy down imperial beach to the border and TJ.

Vegas: yeah baby. I'd give you some spots, but its all bit hazy.

Utah: Zion is a short hop from vegas. A must see. I missed it, but heard bryce is good too.

Arizona: Another short hop gets you to the north rim of the grand caynon. Its more rugged than the south, less toursty.

The drive down to Flagstaff thru reservation is remote and majestic, like you're driving through a picture.

I had to get back so I bypassed em, but there's a petrified forest, rosewell, sedona (psychic vortex or some crap - hippieville), labrea tar pits and roswell.

The joy is in the places between places. Seriously, No fast food! It'll force you into all the diners, road side shacks.

I'm really not kidding about the rock stacks.

Have fun!!!

ssanders8213• 18 years ago

Awesome post dude, thanks for all the details. That's exactly what I'm looking for. No McDonald's for me, I want to see what's out there...

DevoMac2• 18 years ago

It wasn't the time of my life or anything, but I was in between tech gigs and thought I'd just drive and see what happened. It was expensive (gas), but I'd do it again in a heartbeat if I get a chance. (and accidentally drummed up more work than I could handle in the process - its amazing how much you can address when you've got all the time in the world) There was a book I took with me was called "eccentric america" that had all the wacky non-mainstream places. (like the fake history museum in L.A... wild. All the seriousness of a real museum, but completely fiction.) My email's damion@entura.com if I can help. Get a moleskin and a good (portable so you'll always carry it) camera - I'm really, really not a diary dude, but reading over the entries... brings me back to my "tech guy freed from tech world" musings about the world. Its priceless to me.

Enjoy the trip.

lyime• 18 years ago

Check out http://www.airbedandbreakfast.com/

I am in Portland, OR, You can kick it at my place if you need a place for sometime.

webwright• 18 years ago

1) Alaska is a helluva trip if you can manage it. There's an inside passage ferry that you can camp on.

2) Sublets! Great deals, oftentimes. Craigslist.

5) If you need Seattle/Alaska advice, email me.

fizz2• 18 years ago

If you go to Vancouver, I'd recommend staying downtown and experiencing that lifestyle. You might not need to use your car for weeks. Go to Cafe Artigiano or JJ Bean for great coffee. Too many great places to eat but I'll mention Guu (http://www.guu-izakaya.com/) and Hapa Izakaya (http://www.hapaizakaya.com/).

arcologist• 18 years ago

2.) There are month-to-month furnished apartment, e.g. Oakwood has furnished apartments in Mountain View:

http://www.oakwood.com/

Be careful, because a lot of apartment managers use your security deposit to replace the carpet and repaint the apartment when you leave. Also, most apartment managers wait the full 3 weeks to return your deposit in CA.

3.) You can try this for wireless internet:

https://www.ipassconnect.com/main

4.) iphone 2.0 is supposed to come with GPS and sell for $200. Maybe you'll want that instead of Garmin GPS.

7.) Bathroom finder:

http://www.imodium.com/page.jhtml?id=/imodium/include/3_5.in...

seshagiri• 18 years ago

when in Portland, Oregon, don't miss the Bend-Crater lake area. Also from Seattle I would strongly (very) recommend taking the scenic US101 instead of the interstate (I5)....lot of beautiful small towns with nice hotels/ restaurants along the pacific coast.

VinzO• 18 years ago

In my opinion it would be a mistake to see only the cities.

I traveled on the west coast a few years ago and I was amazed by the beautiful nature. Yosemite Park, Tahoe Lake, Death Valley, Grand Canyon are a MUST. Santa Cruz, Monterey, Carmel are very beautiful places to enjoy ocean view and beaches.

If you are not afraid to walk, go to the top of the Dome in Yosemite Park. You won't regret it.

Grand Canyon is very impressive. I specially recommend a flight with a small plane over the canyon. Unforgetable.

For the cities, I didn't see a lot, but SF and the bay area is great. I also liked spending time in Santa Monica. Vegas is good to see, but I spent only one night there and I think it was enough.

I also enjoyed visiting Universal Studio in LA.

Enjoy your time there !

Ask YC: 6-Month road trip down the west coast...much advice needed

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