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Very cool!

Yep. More the smaller the deal. Sub $1M ARR, it can be 10-20%

Yep couldn’t agree more that prep is important. And yeah often someone coming inbound is the most keen (though they still need managing to get the biggest outcome in my experience).

I’m actually working on a “Definitive Guide to M&A to B2B SaaS between $2-20M ARR” (first few chapters on discretioncapital.com/guide), would love your feedback on the draft of the rest given your experience. Email me if you want to take a look: einar@discretioncapital.com

So transaction multiples for us tend to be 5-8x (higher over $10M ARR), with outliers to 15-20x+

But the bigger issue is what you’re alluding to - lots of founders don’t really understand what doors they’re closing when raising a shit ton of cash. If you’ve raised $100M and are worth $50M, not a lot of good outcomes come easily (though I have helped a couple of founders navigate those waters too. Not always successfully)

Fact is - there are many more $50-200M outcomes than $1bn outcomes and if you’ve raised yourself into a corner where you don’t make any money unless you hit $1bn, well then better hope you took some secondary during fundraising.

Great content and perspective. I would say (and fair warning, this is obviously biased as I run one of the investment banks that specialize in B2B SaaS M&A between $2-20M ARR - Discretion Capital), this:

"Now should you hire a banker when there is no actionable inbound interest and you have no prior relationships? I would recommend no, as in such a case bankers would typically rely on their network of Corp Devs and present your company to a laundry list of potential companies that likely have nothing to do with your space or business or you have no interest working for."

..is not how a great banker that actually does deals in the revenue size and market you're in would act. I can see how a "too large" a bank where you're small fry, would do this, but eg in my space ($2-20M ARR), the key job of your banker is to reach out to whomever would pay the most for your business, not just their corp dev buddies they happen to have existing relationships with.

That's not easy - there are 1000+ repeat software buyers with various portfolios and all kinds of timing constraints, and that's even before considering true strategics (in my range, the buyer mix is 70% PE or PE owned, 20% strategics and 10% other).

Typically, for a proper process, you'd want to see 100-150 (well sourced and properly targeted) potential acquirers. If they're just sending you to a handful of corp devs then they're not taking your business seriously and you should get another banker.

I do deals a fair bit larger than this, and so am obviously biased, but while this sounds appealing, the fact is that only once or twice out of the couple of dozen times I’ve heard back from founders that decided to DIY their M&A have I not thought to myself “you got taken to the cleaners”.

The buyers on the other side are professional buyers. They get promoted by buying great companies for as little as possible. Most founders will only ever sell one business, if that. Buyers don’t care about their reputation with you, they do care about their reputation with a banker they may interact with multiple times.

This is cool, but it is not obvious to me if this is a web app or a native Mac or what - some screenshots, a video or at least a description of how and where this runs would be helpful to get people over the hump of doing the signup I suspect.

We get a lot of applications so it’s impossible to give detailed feedback to every rejection unfortunately. The main reason we reject are: 1. not B2B SaaS 2. No revenue 3. Churn 4. Atrocious cap table.

I’m one of the co-founders of TinySeed (and a YC alumn). Happy to answer questions - we’re opening applications Sept 4th

You know, if you don’t understand something, it’s totally fine to not immediately comment with whatever your political instincts tell you something might mean.

Or perhaps you have some fresh insight on how the Section 174’s changes (only passed to make the 2017 tax bill revenue neutral) on amortization rules meaning only being able to deduct 20% of salaries in the year paid is in fact totally fair and how maybe all salary deductions should work like this?

That is amazingly cool.

Hey, I'm the co-founder of TinySeed (and also a YC alumn), would be happy to connect: einar@tinyseed.com

For the same reason PG proposed turning HN off “during office hours” several years back

Main one missing from Norwegian is “harry” in my view.

It means. Ehm.. not cool, specifically in a sort of crass/low brow kind of way. Like I said, hard to explain.

Ben. Can you unsubscribe me from your email list? I used to be a subscriber, but after you decided to publish on Twitter some PMs that were meant as peace offerings, I’d like to not get your self serving crap in my inbox. I hit unsubscribe, but that seems to not work.

AFAIK approximately all “no-stir” peanut butters only have peanuts in them. People don’t buy them because the oil floats to the top and causes a mess and if you don’t stir, then the bottom 1/5th is like glue.

Works for me: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=9%3A00%20EST%20in%20CE...

It doesn’t sound like you’ve been to western Norway.

The notion that you cannot keep wood treatment on anything in the UK is ludicrous. You can choose to leave raw wood exposed, or you can chose to treat it every 5-10 years.

Source: my family in Norway owns several wooden houses that are a couple of hundred years old, and as a kid/teenager I spent a lot of time having to treat these houses :)

If only 5% of CA water is urban use, then surely the subsidy is minimal.

Also - driving the Central Valley I see no end of “Congress stole our water” signs, so clearly some change is happening. Why can’t agriculture in more rain prone areas compete?

Okay great!

Well, something like 1/3rd of all the vegetables and 2/3rds of all the fruit in the US is grown in California. Where do you propose this gets grown instead?

Yep

It is not I don't think, but I could be wrong.

Trump never invoked the Defense Production Act.

Sources? I've heard the "EU signed before UK" multiple times now, but nobody ever links to a source. It just seems unlikely, no? Why would they be so catastrophically far behind in that case?

Similarly - the NHS is great, but not unique. Norway for example has a system akin to the NHS (and so do many EU countries) and there's no correlation there. Norway is waaaaay behind the UK and the US. Again, it seems unlikely that the NHS is the cause.

It's obvious you hate the Tories, but that shouldn't cloud your judgment to such a degree that you fail to celebrate the real achievement of the UK's vaccination rate.

I’m still banned

Thank you ;)

The tax thing is mostly to avoid the taxable event that arises when you sell crypto (if you’re up, which most people will be right now) + keeping exposure to the crypto in question.

The way it works (~roughly) is that instead of selling the crypto, you deposit it into a smart contract that then issues you a loan in eg stable coins (DAI, USDT), with your crypto locked as collateral.

Yeah I remember Chris Sacca at one of our Tuesday dinners saying something like “sorry guys, don’t do this, someone is going to get murdered”

Which - to be fair - might have scuppered the company if it had happened early on by chance.

Ps Chris was my favorite speaker - he’s the only one who made sure to tell everyone to chill out, take care of your health, sleep, etc.