Association of dairy intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)31812-9/fulltext

by bookofjoe • 7 years ago

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devmunchies• 7 years ago

i can't see the funding unless i pay for it?

kawsper• 7 years ago

If you search for the name of the paper on your favourite search engine you should be able to obtain a PDF.

dredmorbius• 7 years ago

Try https://sci-hub.tw or https://gen.lib.rus.ec

NeedMoreTea• 7 years ago

lol. Everything food and health related comes full circle, doesn't it?

Never did like semi-skimmed milk or margarine, so I just kept on with full fat milk, butter and everything my whole life. Which occasionally has been difficult when in a shop with endless reduced and half fat choices...

reaperducer• 7 years ago

If this study is correct, I'm going to live forever.

golemotron• 7 years ago

It's funny to go to high end health food stores and see 0% carb, all fat and protein foods on the shelf next to 0% fat, all carb foods - both with labelling professing their health.

dwd• 7 years ago

The only thing that goes in circles is the marketing for processed foods. I'm sure they will continue to find new false narratives to sell their yellow-coloured grey goop and over-processed watery milk.

rendaw• 7 years ago

Unless you're buying raw/unpasteurized milk I believe all milk has the fat content separated and re-added with emulsifiers, so there's no meaningful difference in how much whole/skim milk is processed.

graeme2• 7 years ago

They mentioned funding. I looked on scihub. As far as I can tell it does not have dairy industry funding. Instead it has unrestricted grants from some governments and pharmaceutical companies worldwide.

motbob• 7 years ago

This summary only talks about the effects of dairy, rather than whole-fat dairy specifically. Does the article say more?

ac29• 7 years ago

Yes, and interestingly, the effect is only statistically significant for the group whose dairy consumption was exclusively whole-fat dairy. The group with both whole-fat and low-fat dairy had lower incidence of the studied outcomes, but it wasn't statistically significant (and both groups were large: several tens of thousands of people).

tonyedgecombe• 7 years ago

One hypothesis I’ve heard is whole fat tends to be more satiating so you consume less overall.

rufius• 7 years ago

Anecdotally accurate for me. I've tended to prefer higher fat foods - preferably things like olive oil and nuts, which helps keep my mindless consumption down.

TheRealSteel2• 7 years ago

+1. I feel like I consume less (a healthier amount) overall when I consume nuts, fruit and cheese as snacks versus high carb foods, even tho nuts and cheese are quite calorie dense. I just don't find myself feeling hungry again as quickly. I haven't been logging my food recently but I definitely feel better. Same with vegetables and meat vs, say, pasta.

dooglius• 7 years ago

Title should be changed to something like the interpretation section: "Dairy consumption was associated with lower risk of mortality and major cardiovascular disease events in a diverse multinational cohort."

The study does not, and does not purport to, show a causal relationship.

EDIT: It appears that the title here has been changed, but to the article title, which is a bit less than ideal since it implies a positive correlation when the study shows a negative correlation (or at least it reads that way to me).

bookofjoe• 7 years ago

Concur.

dcolkitt• 7 years ago

The condition "diverse multinational cohort" is very important. The primary driver of population level variance in dairy consumption is lactose tolerance. For example Northern Europeans have much higher lactose tolerance than Aboriginal Australians.

So, we have to be really careful that dairy consumption isn't just proxying for ancestry. Because there are huge genetic variations in CVD mortality across different sub-populations. For example African-Americans have signficantly higher CVD, BP and diabetes risk because of higher rates of APOL1 polymorphism.

[1]https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/26/2/247

nostromo• 7 years ago

I suspect lactose intolerance in the US is inversely correlated with wealth -- so this could just be another study showing that wealthy folks live longer.

Zenst• 7 years ago

Does this mean that lack of dairy consumption is associated with a higher risk? Maybe, maybe not. I'd love to see some data that included a large group of people who are lactose-intolerant.

But whatever you read, the biggest threat to your health in many ways, will always be stress. So don't panic and remember, quality over quantity every time.

didibus2• 7 years ago

Hum, your comment also confuses me. But the study to me seem to say that Dairy consumption is good for you, and lowers the risks of death or cardiac disease. So keep drinking that milk folks!

tempsy• 7 years ago

If you believe in keto, then it's the consumption of whole fats, not necessarily dairy, that "lowers risk of mortality."

You don't need to consume dairy to be on keto.

graeme2• 7 years ago

....the people in the study were not on a ketogenic diet. Ketosis vs. non-ketosis is a big step change. The central premise of keto re: fat is “fats are good....because they lead to ketosis”

You’re reasoning wildly outside of the study here.

TheRealSteel2• 7 years ago

Keto (and a lack of surprise) came to my mind when I read the title too, but your point is important for anyone learning about the ketogenic diet - keto is a binary state, you're either in it or you're not (and you can do a urine test at home to tell).

There are still benefits to cutting carbs without going full keto, but not because you'll be '50% keto' or anything, just because there are other health improvements from lowering carbohydrate intake other than possible ketosis.

didibus2• 7 years ago

I never saw any claim or study relating Keto with lower chances of mortality, got any?

open-source-ux• 7 years ago

The NHS website have a good summary and analysis of this study.

Moderate dairy consumption may help heart health

https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/moderate-dairy-consump...

From the intro:

An international team of researchers looked at dairy consumption among more than 136,000 people in 21 countries worldwide.
They found people who had more than 2 servings of dairy products a day were 16% less likely to die or have a heart attack or stroke during an average of 9 years of follow-up.

...

Most of the benefit seemed to come from milk and yoghurt, and the effect was strongest in low and middle-income countries, where dairy consumption is generally much lower than the UK.
The question of whether benefits come from low-fat or full-fat dairy products wasn't conclusively answered in the study.

denton-scratch• 7 years ago

"Risk of mortality" is 100%, whatever you choose to eat.

yjftsjthsd-h• 7 years ago

Eh, just assume "per amount of time" and it works.

coldtea• 7 years ago

Not really, if you eat immortality inducing food, risk goes to zero.

perilunar• 7 years ago

"World Death Rate Holding Steady At 100 Percent"

https://www.theonion.com/world-death-rate-holding-steady-at-...

mirimir• 7 years ago

FYI: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/S0140-6736(18)31812-9

vixen99• 7 years ago

Interesting association: France is the single country with the highest saturated fat intake in Europe and the lowest rate of CHD deaths.

ahartmetz• 7 years ago

France has low obesity, too.

jobigoud• 7 years ago

According to Wikipedia:

the incidence of obesity in French women in 2014 was 24.0% and among French men 23.8%. Overall adult obesity rates in France were significantly ahead of the Netherlands at 19.8%, Germany at 20.1% and Italy at 21.0%, but behind the United Kingdom and the United States at 28.1% and 33.7% respectively.

littlestymaar• 7 years ago

France is the single country with the highest saturated fat intake in Europe

Oh interesting, do you have a source on that please ?

hbarka• 7 years ago

They are continually active, thanks to a good public transportation system.

foxyv• 7 years ago

"Dietary intakes of dairy products for 136 384 individuals were recorded using country-specific validated food frequency questionnaires."

These questionnaires are not very good methodology. This is why you get so many contradicting dietary recommendations. Dietary studies tend to rely on them because they are the cheapest option. But they make okay headlines.

moltar• 7 years ago

I think it depends on a type of question asked.

I think low fat or normal fat dairy preference is a pretty conscious choice and eventually is habitual.

Most people would be able to answer with good accuracy what type of dairy they prefer.

jnordwick2• 7 years ago

This fits in well with the data that cheese consumption is linked with death by getting tangled in bedsheets.

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Sounds legit

mtVessel• 7 years ago

Or that the divorce rate in Maine correlates with per capita consumption of margarine! (ibid)

jnordwick2• 7 years ago

Dairy is really bad for you.

tus88• 7 years ago

Dairy consumption was associated with lower risk of mortality and major cardiovascular disease events in a diverse multinational cohort

I am personally very pleased to read that, notwithstanding the need to not base anything on a single study.

rexgallorum2• 7 years ago

Pass the butter, please.

Association of dairy intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality

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