De-Google-Ify Internet

by pmoriarty • 7 years ago

134 61 7 years ago

matthberg• 7 years ago

Each proposed "free alternative" looks like it comes from the site owner, FramaSoft (example: Google Forms -> FramaForms, Google Maps -> Framacarte).

While I appreciate the efforts to de-centralize the internet, this is more an ad for the company than anything.

m_t• 7 years ago

Framasoft is not a Company, it's an Association.

And this website is not an ad, it's a portal to one of their objectives, presenting in a complete way what they propose and support using the tools they've created/adapted.

saalaa• 7 years ago

Association = non-profit organization

JeanMarcS• 7 years ago

More infos at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framasoft

Fradow• 7 years ago

The free alternative (without quote, they really are free) are mostly other free software with a FramaSoft branding, in order to make it look like a coherent offering rivaling Google suite.

If you go in the documentation of each software, you will see what project it comes from.

For example, Framabag is Wallabag, Framanotes is Turtl, Framapad is Etherpad, etc...

muthdra2• 7 years ago

I can't wait for them to release the latest update for FramaWeb (which is just firefox but you call it FramaWeb) to the FramaOS (which is just linux but you call it FramaOS) for my FraMachine (which is just a computer but it's specifically built by this one dude and you call it the FraMachine).

icebraining4• 7 years ago

It's not a rebranding; they're online services based on those projects and hosted by FramaSoft. It's more like WPEngine or Kinsta, which host WordPress for you (except these are free and managed by a non-profit association).

stinos• 7 years ago

In all fairness, not each alternative: there's often other non-Frama alternatives as well and there are entries without any FramaSoft altermnative at all.

diszd• 7 years ago

https://degooglisons-internet.org/img/Peha-Banquet-CC-By-192...

This is not what I want the Internet to be.

quickthrower2• 7 years ago

That graphic is unfortunate

tpush• 7 years ago

How so?

jcelerier• 7 years ago

it is a reference to Asterix, a very famous strip comic (https://fredericbaylot.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/13asterix...) ; it symbolizes resistance (and ultimately victory) against something that seems much bigger and stronger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix)

mkettn• 7 years ago

At least Google and Apple are big contributors to open source software (e.g. Chromium, CUPS). Instead of roasting big companies (because... privacy?) we should work together. This picture does more harm, because it view companies purely as enemies.

saagarjha2• 7 years ago

At least Google and Apple are big contributors to open source software (e.g. Chromium, CUPS).

…that's a strange choice. Basically every company in that comic contributes in some way to open source.

Phenix88be• 7 years ago

Open source is NOT free software. You are not free because you are using Chromium instead of Chrome. Free software is a philosophy, Open source just mean every one can read the source.

You can contribute to Open Source and be evil...

sridca• 7 years ago

Sensible comment getting downvoted by alarmist HN. What a surprise.

markvdb• 7 years ago

The image seems to be an allusion to the theme behind the Asterix comic strip, of a small and happily independent Gaul village surrounded by a giant Roman empire unable to conquer it.

It's _hard_ to capture a very abstract ideal like free-as-in-freedom web services in one image.

To me, a successful image should be about celebrating freedom and independence. The Asterix comic strip succeeds at that, this image not so much.

Just like the inhabitants of the mythical Gaul village, I'm ok interacting with the Romans and their empire as long as they don't keep me from doing my thing, in the way I want.

The framasoft offerings are really interesting by the way. Do check them out if you haven't yet!

kome2• 7 years ago

omg that's exactly the internet i want :)

AnIdiotOnTheNet• 7 years ago

Notably not seated at the table: users.

angieg3• 7 years ago

all people sitted at the table are users !

eitland• 7 years ago

Oh come on. Let us have some fun, here is one of my favourites, "bliss kaboom!" which shows tux with a rocket launcher: https://hdwallpapers.cat/bliss-kaboom-tux-rocket-launcher-an...

(although I admit I've changed my view of Microsoft (from lawful evil to somewhere close to lawful neutral) and Google (from chaotic good to somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil).

czechdeveloper• 7 years ago

Also known as "complicating your life significantly for little benefit".

commoner• 7 years ago

There are plenty of people who disagree that switching from Google to free and open source alternatives provides little benefit. You can start with folks who lose their Google accounts for spurious reasons, with no means of recourse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19124324

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197357

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4013799

ohiovr2• 7 years ago

What is the best single term description for software like this?

Self Hosting (It was already a term for an unrelated thing)

Control Panel (its more than a control panel)

Full Stack Automation (that is what I thought of calling it)

personal cloud (What does personal mean)

personal infrastructure (that does sound intimidating)

community computer (a small server that only serves a particular community or small business)

I'm open to ideas as I develop a product that could be described by some of these names.

russfink• 7 years ago

There are a lot if ones it should not be (self hosted infrasTructure) but ones it could be: private cloud stack, private cloud infrastructure, self hosted SaaS, hosted SaaS.

I'm eager to see other answers, too.

birracerveza2• 7 years ago

I'd say decentralized fits the bill quite nicely.

EDIT: Decentralized as in "Decentralized Service" or something along that line.

ohiovr2• 7 years ago

That seems to be framasoft's message. Decentralized sometimes means peer to peer which doesn't describe the software I currently have in my web app manager.

kowdermeister• 7 years ago

PaaS (Platform as a Service) would qualify I think.

fredsanford• 7 years ago

I'm curious how Framasoft will keep the lights on and the servers running without ads/data-collection.

SiempreViernes4• 7 years ago

The same way wikipedia or the linux foundation keeps running I suppose.

icebraining4• 7 years ago

The Linux Foundation is more like a Chamber of Commerce: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/board-members/

Totoradio• 7 years ago

They are funded via donations: https://soutenir.framasoft.org/en/

sacado2• 7 years ago

It's a non-profit, so probably the same way as the wikimedia foundation, the apache foundation, the mozilla foundation, etc.

SiempreViernes4• 7 years ago

This is a French free software foundation that have collected together various open source alternatives under a unified branding.

Being neither a startup nor american, they are of course condemned to eternal scorn by many HN readers.

growlist2• 7 years ago

They could at least run this page through a spell checker. If they can't get that right, then..

angieg3• 7 years ago

as written before, we are french and the translation in english of our homepage has been done by french people too... Let us know what we can change / correct and we'll do it.

pyg77• 7 years ago

You may watch https://framatube.org/videos/watch/c193a2f6-8b24-48c3-a93e-f... to learn more about us.

s9w• 7 years ago

I do have to admit being guilty of something similar. Being German, I would never use German software (even German translations) or hardware. I have seen to many things :D

chopin• 7 years ago

Well, it depends. Since I switched to Linux I was quite surprised to see how many of the packages have German or European maintainers.

majewsky2• 7 years ago

I used German translations for a long time, but eventually switched to LC_MESSAGES=C because it makes it easier to report UI bugs. It just removes the guesswork of "what is this menu item named in English?".

Also, with LC_MESSAGES=C set, I can blacklist /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/ in my package manager and save half a gigabyte or so.

nspattak• 7 years ago

I had a french feeling when I read the word "association". I confirmed it originates from France when I checked their "about" tab. I like their idea but I hate it when the front page is in english as if this is a world wide effort but the rest of the web site is in French. Je vous souhaite la meilleure continuation mais je vais passer.

SiempreViernes4• 7 years ago

The fact the header pictures is a comic is also a clue :)

angieg3• 7 years ago

We are a little NPO with only 9 employees and 25 members. So we don't have enough volunteers to translate each webpage. But if you want to help us to translate everything, please do !

HickoryDickory• 7 years ago

Only way to keep an "open" internet is to make our decision makers make open standards law. It's not perfect but it force the companies to open up their closed gardens.

icebraining4• 7 years ago

What would that law make them do?

kakwa_2• 7 years ago

Laws already helped to break large monopolies in the past.

At one point, the internet giants will probably be broken into several entities as they start to have detrimental effect on society, we are seeing the early stages with Zuckerberg's testimony in front of Congress for example.

It will probably happen by breaking down the various services provided by these giants (AWS/Amazon, gmail/search/youtube, etc).

TrickyRick• 7 years ago

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=degooglisons-internet&sort=byP...

Been posted so many times before

tasn2• 7 years ago

Plug: I created EteSync a secure, end-to-end encrypted, and privacy respecting sync for your contacts, calendars and tasks. https://www.etesync.com

Relevant for people interested in removing Google from their lives.

diyod• 7 years ago

Framasoft is also behind the decentralized video platform Peertube (the creator wasn't part of framasoft originally, but he was employed by them)

dcbadacd• 7 years ago

The favicon is way too similar to BitWarden's, wish they'd pick something better.

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