LibreOffice 5.2 “fresh” Released, for Windows, Mac OS and GNU/Linux

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/08/03/libreoffice-5-2-fresh-released-for-windows-mac-os-and-gnulinux/

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okket• 10 years ago

New features:

https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/new-features/

Video demonstration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EshNTl23liY&list=PL0pdzjvYW9...

nailer• 10 years ago

Is there a web version?

mksaunders3• 10 years ago

In the works: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_...

allendoerfer3• 10 years ago

They are using GTK+ Broadway, which renders GTK applications inside the browser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr8eo4RlPw4

Not sure this is the most performant way to do it, but the project itself sure is impressive.

theprotocol• 10 years ago

Check out http://open365.io, which is sort of like ownCloud/nextCloud but also has a web-based LibreOffice interface. It's still in beta and the entire thing is rough though. I haven't had much time to play around with it.

nzjrs2• 10 years ago

Already there https://www.collaboraoffice.com/solutions/collabora-cloudsui...

the_duke• 10 years ago

It's such a shame that OpenOffice and LibreOffice won't merge together again after it's not under Oracles control anymore.

So many wasted manhours...

selivan• 10 years ago

On the bright side, competition may be helpful for open source projects. Example: postfix and exim. Other example - squid: no competitors, slow development and ugly bugs.

leni536• 10 years ago

I wouldn't say OO competes with LO, it's way behind.

lucaspottersky2• 10 years ago

OpenOffice is trash. I'd say they should just throw the whole project away.

I remember 10+ years ago I opened an issue requesting that "alt+left" should go back to the last link location... it's never been fixed.

davidgerard6• 10 years ago

Functionally, they have.

* AOO has pretty much no development going on.

* What few useful commits there are to AOO, get merged. And there aren't many at all. https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?h=aoo/tru...

* What few AOO developers there were ... keep showing up at LO. Because it turns out that's where the paying work is.

Apache insists on holding onto the name, for no useful reason and to the active detriment of the end users who think they're getting a maintained product, rather than a 2010 codebase with a horrible security record (and an open vulnerability in the current download, with no fix date). But it appears nobody at Apache is interested in that.

ashitlerferad• 10 years ago

Under the hood:

http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2016-08-03-under-the-hood...

greyman• 10 years ago

Troll question, but also really curious: Does the import from MS Office works already? (At least as good as in OSX's Pages). That was the single reason why I couldn't use LibreOffice so far... it just couldn't open files I've got from the "external world", like Microsoft Word, as soon as the document was a slightly more complex.

allendoerfer3• 10 years ago

The article said, it improved support. Additionally there is some serious corporate bullshit speak in there, so we can hope they will win more big organizations over to strengthen open standards.

mksaunders3• 10 years ago

It varies from document to document, but it's always improving with each release, so try it! Nothing to lose but a few minutes of downloading...

theandrewbailey• 10 years ago

Try it out. I forget which release it was specifically (it was over a year ago), but one day I updated and things looked better aligned in Word documents in Libreoffice.

buovjaga8• 10 years ago

Please file bug reports for each file that has problems: http://bugs.documentfoundation.org/

Do also try searching for existing reports before filing, so you will save me and the rest of the QA gang some work.

RaleyField• 10 years ago

Thanks for your contributions and awesome work. :)

davidgerard6• 10 years ago

Troll question indeed. Pretty much every LO post anywhere has in the comments someone claiming that:

* an unspecified version of LO is incompatible

* with an unspecified document

* from an unspecified version of MS Office

* in some unspecified manner

* therefore LO is unusable.

The correct answer is: "Bug report with test document, or it didn't happen."

The other standard troll comment is "why don't they have a ribbon yet, it looks so ooooold". Which you'll see on this post too.

(and they are indeed working on this precise thing. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar )

bitwize• 10 years ago

Most of us have work to do. When we receive a document -- which may contain confidential, trade-secret, or even classified information -- that doesn't work in LO, we don't have the time to stop what we're doing, discern what in the document is giving us the problem, and craft a test document that replicates the provlem well enough to fix the bug. Our software needs to support us 100% in our work, which means 100% compatibility with established formats, or it's not going on our computer. Those are the only two choices.

The Ribbon is Microsoft-patented tech. Adopting it in LO would be infringing.

Yes, all this means Microsoft Office is the only viable solution. Cowboy up and purchase the fucking software.

danielhunt7• 10 years ago

[opinion-disclaimer]

I've often been drawn to testing out LibreOffice (and OpenOffice), but every single time I open the apps, they always look terrible.

This isn't 1990 anymore - if the kind of UI design that the devs have gone for (have settled on?) alienates a tech-friendly user such as myself, there isn't a hope in hell of people like my parents using it regularly.

Does anyone know why the style they use has persisted for so long? Is it just a case that no one cares about this sort of thing on that project?

Narishma2• 10 years ago

I disagree. I much prefer 90's style UIs for desktop applications like office suites.

duaneb2• 10 years ago

I'm assuming there's a reason in there somewhere. Care to share?

mksaunders3• 10 years ago

Does switching to the Breeze icons help?

Here's how to: https://twitter.com/libreoffice/status/737637299928870912

danielhunt7• 10 years ago

The icons aren't the problem, for me at least

Look at the embedded video that's linked on the article - see the integrated totp interface for Google auth? An interface that ships that kind of 'it works, it'll do* UI comes across as half-baked to me.

rtpg2• 10 years ago

I think it's the Linux desktop software style (up until 2012 at least), complete with gradient overuse.

But for the most part, it does look like Word 2k3. And among the people who aren't using Google Docs, Woord 2k3 is pretty enticing.

Sylos3• 10 years ago

What OS are you on? LibreOffice doesn't have gradients for me. That is on Linux, but with Breeze Dark system style. (Linux doesn't have a default-style, in case you're not aware.)

voidlogic• 10 years ago

alienates a tech-friendly user such as myself,

You mean FE engineers? :P (half kidding)

A lot of tech savvy folks think the old style UI is more usable. So you should take care speaking for a group.

danielhunt7• 10 years ago

PHP4eva!

Also, ya I know I'm generalising a lot with my statement. I did give a disclaimer at the start, but as with all opinions ... They're usually wrong

aoloe4• 10 years ago

Well, the LibreOffice 5.1 (well Writer...) "desktop" looks OK on this Mac...

Some dialogs are less stylish (Edit style), but most are just OK. They are not specially fancy but do not look ugly either.

To me, it looks like a solid, functional, tool, without most unnecessary decoration. It won't win the prize for the prettiest UI around, but it's far for being ugly.

So, I guess that the developers are working hard to add features and compatibility filters (Microsoft, Microsoft...), and settled to a timeless design that does not need to be redone from scratch every half a year because it looks so last month...

Maybe, you should try to work with it, instead of just testing it out.

lucaspiller• 10 years ago

Here is how 5.2 looks on OS X 10.11: http://imgur.com/a/aalZB

The background of the toolbar looks completely different to native applications, and the input elements try to look like native elements, but are ever so slightly different - which to me really stands out. Even the tooltip is completely different to the native look.

It's not so much the design is bad, it's just it tries to fit into the native style but does a poor job of it. I think if instead it had gone for it's own look (like Telegram or Atom) it would be a lot better.

As you say, it's good the developers are focusing on things that will really improve the product like compatibility, but to everyday users how things look and feel are just as important - if that wasn't the case all web applications would look like Redmine :P

zhte415• 10 years ago

For icons, I set it to use Breeze as the icon set. Simply as icons look consistent.

For menus, I get that some people like menus, but anyone used to a ribbon interface finds menus hard. Hard to convert people. Expectations of a ribbon interface are now standard, a la WPS Office. At least provide a switch. I can get used to new things, like going back to menus, but then I grew up on menus and 65535 rows.

On WPS Office, why does it have much better compatibility with MS Office than Libre/Open Office. One type of document in particular - documents with embedded documents. Libre Office invariable hangs on .pptx or .docx or .xlsx with these, but opens the same document simply re-saved in WPS Office in .ppt or .doc or .xls format seamlessly. This seems odd. What secret sauce do WPS have?

I use LibreOffice daily. But can't solely use it. Love the pop-out side-bar. Cannot switch until PowerPivot is equivalent.

nxc18• 10 years ago

That's a really good question about compatibility. Microsoft released their OOXML code some time ago and have been updating it regularly since. It even supports build with mono. Doing a quality port of that should (theoretically) be relatively straightforward, and they have a great reference implementation to test against.

matt4077• 10 years ago

Thanks for mentioning it... I always feel bad for thinking it.

Open/LibreOffice are basically the index case for what the Open Source community is really bad at: design & UI. Three explanations I see:

- The talent pool of designers working on OSS is too small.

- Design is a problem that is less accessible to a distributed, bottom-up workflow than code.

- The UI is actually 80% of the workload of a software project and therefore the area where OSS's lack of resources is most obvious.

buovjaga8• 10 years ago

And we can solve the problem by doing the work and recruiting those missing designers. When do you want to start?

bluejekyll• 10 years ago

The UI is actually 80% of the workload of a software project

This entirely depends on the project. In my experience, the UI is extremely important to the success of a project, but tends to be 10-20% of total work.

arviewer2• 10 years ago

First explain what is wrong with the LO 5 design? I find the ribbon gui horrible. The fact that the buttons and menu haven't changed that much since ten years, so what? It does the job.

The only office gui better was the Lotus Suite one, where the layout options were much better with palets like in Photoshop, onces that you could move around.

senko• 10 years ago

The UI is actually 80% of the workload of a software project

This may be true for some software projects, but I can’t see how that could be generalized to any project (even any desktop or user facing project).

Specifically for LibreOffice, the amount of work that went into that project is staggering. It’s been worked on for decades, through three different organisations (StarOffice, Sun/Oracle OpenOffice, now LibreOffice), and according to https://www.openhub.net/p/libreoffice/estimated_cost it took thousands of man-years of effort (models are lies, but I’ll believe it as an order-of-magnitude estimate). Surely not 80% of that went to the UI work.

goda90• 10 years ago

I wonder if OSS design can be fixed by holding design contests. Gather donations for small cash prizes, and have the even bigger motivator of continually hosting the designs of winners and runner-ups on the project website. Portfolio building is a big deal for a lot of designers these days.

With a handful of good design mockups, then developers have something to aim for instead of a nebulous idea of what good design is.

drzaiusapelord• 10 years ago

Frankly, these sound like excuses. The big problem I see with FOSS and UI is that there's a lot of politcal pushback. You can search for terms like "ribbon" on the web, forums, etc and see people lash out and using childish terms like "M$" and such. Its clear the maintainers don't want a UI overhaul.

There's a lot of 'grumpy old men syndrome' with FOSS. Usability, progressive UI thinking, etc in coder led projects takes a backseat to the whiz-bang hard technical stuff. And that's on top of the lack of motivation to change the UI. "If it aint broke, don't fix it" is a common UI dinosaur excuse.

Thankfully, we have google docs, o365, etc. I think the big office suite, outside of business, has killed itself. It just didn't move fast enough, is bloaty and slow, and couldn't keep up with web technologies. I don't know anyone who uses Libre anymore. They've either migrated to the web or have an old version of Office they prefer using. I'm not sure if a better UI would have helped with marketshare, but I can't imagine it hurting.

aoloe4• 10 years ago

Sadly, my experience is that the number of designers that are willing to contribute is small, even if lot of them are ready to complain about the state of free software.

The saddest part is that when they dare to contribute, they simply create a fast and dirty bitmap / screenshot... With a few arrows and comment here and there.

In the worst case they just provide a screenshot of a similar commercial software: "Do like them."

I've heard it so often. Also in this thread.

Most designers who want contribute are ready to spend half an hour to a couple of hours on the issue. Not more. Then expect the programmers to spend their evenings and weekends programming. Create the proper files. Solve the edge cases.

And they're surprised that the end result does not correspond to what they were proposing.

Very few are ready to spend days or weeks on a dialog (of course not in one shot). Study the use cases, go through the possible interactions, develop proper specifications.

I also noticed that many are loudly asking for nicer UIs, but very few can think about usability and user interaction.

But I've also met some really amazing designers!

Like the one who has learned enough C++ to create a running mockup and could convince the programmers that what he is proposing can be done! He has been working on it during the past year!

So, dear designers, if you want to contribute to free software, you will probably be facing small teams of very busy programmers!

And, yes, creating free software is hard and dedicated work. For everyone who is involved!

If you want to be taken seriously, you'd better deliver files that are directly usable for the programmers (as an example: high quality individual files in the right format and size(s), not a big PNG/PSD).

You'd also better deliver a document explaining the concepts behind your work, so that the next designer can build upon your work.

And the programmers will know how to use your files.

And don't forget to also provide the sources for generating those files! (If possible, sources that can be further edited with free software!)

You don't have to learn programming, but there is some serious work ahead!

And there are a few designers who managed to achieve amazing results with their contributions! It's worth it!

zamalek• 10 years ago

I can whole heartedly agree. I really gave OpenOffice a fair chance, but Office is just so much nicer to look at. The untidy interface only adds to the intimidation of the blank page. Sure, the ribbon obfuscates the location of functions - but that's far better than toolbar clutter (of which more was added in this patch).

buovjaga8• 10 years ago

There are not enough devs and designers. It's an open house, so you can join whenever you like, though. Please read my 1990s-design themed post: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3u2p7x/tired_of_the_...

jhbadger2• 10 years ago

Personally, I'm glad they haven't updated it with that "ribbon" nonsense from Microsoft Office. Office suites are kind of a solved problem -- the only reason why Microsoft Office keeps changing is to give people an excuse to upgrade. That was even true in the 1990s, when absurd bloat features like "Word Art" (no, having the word "shark" in the shape of a shark is not useful) were beginning to be added

arviewer2• 10 years ago

Totally agree! I find the ribbon gui a total mess. I'm glad I can use LibreOffice, and since version 5 the layout is quite allright. I don't know what should be better. It is exactly like I expect it, buttons are where I want them, menus like we're used to. Why change that?

tomw2005• 10 years ago

I'm not a Microsoft fan per se (just forced to use it at work) but what is the issue with the Ribbon? I have seen it complained about (mostly upon release) but not any particularly good reason. Would you care to elucidate me?

Initially I was against it too but have found it to be good for compartmentalising work over time.

mhogomchungu• 10 years ago

This[1] looks fine to me.Thats the screenshot of libreoffice writer 5.1.2.2 running on KDE plasma 5.7.3

The current UI was not designed recently and hence shouldn't be used against current FOSS UI designers.

I think lack of resources is the primary reason why the UI hasnt changed to reflect what is currently considered hip.

[1] http://imgur.com/a/H6r0n

hippich2• 10 years ago

I am always fascinated when people complain about OS software and asking that "they" should do better. Who are "they" and why "they" should do something for you? Most often it is individual contributors doing changes and they do it the way they like it (and surprise - there are a lot of open source devs out there who just prefer conservative look.)

So... as old as it is, but still - if you want some change to happen - you have to participate. Or just pay for some other product that already fits your requirements.

ps: i like LibreOffice UI.

danielhunt7• 10 years ago

I don't want to get drawn into this type of argument - suffice to say that hand-waving me (or anyone) away with a "well why don't you commit code to fix it|make it better?" doesn't make what I'm saying any less valid.

That sort of argument is pointless, and does absolutely nothing for further the discussion.

I have great respect for the creators and contributors to LibreOffice, but in my opinion, the UI is outdated. I even said at the very start of my comment, that this was an opinion. My opinion. One man's opinion.

nzjrs2• 10 years ago

The icons, organisation, and polish get better every release.

Maybe the style persists because some people prefer it over the ribbon? I know I do.

reacweb• 10 years ago

I think the stability of UI is one important advantage of LO compared to MO. I am still loosing a lot of time because of the ribbon of word and excel.

torrent-of-ions• 10 years ago

It looks exactly like google docs and things like that to me. What is the problem? Note that I don't use GUI applications much myself so I may be thoroughly out of the loop.

Spooky23• 10 years ago

There are a significant number of libreoffice aficionados that are virulently anti-ribbon for some reason.

dec0dedab0de• 10 years ago

I wish all apps looked like LibreOffice. Atleast the ones I need to use to get something done.

Lagged2Death• 10 years ago

I bet Microsoft Office and LibreOffice look virtually identical to most lay-people. They probably will look more alike to you than you remember, if you take the time to look honestly. Neither Office's ribbon or the LibreOffice toolbar is really so different from the toolbars of the 1980s. This is much ado about not much.

If these matters of fashion are really so important in terms of distinguishing one piece of software from another, where does that leave the software development crowd? Did we really want to be fashion designers? Is this the way to change the world with software? Through fashionable icons and good font choices?

There's a tremendous amount of talk in this thread about how LibreOffice looks and how Microsoft Office looks, but precious little about how well they work. What does that say about us?

[Edit: consider the history of the Office GUI:

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/history-evolution-microsoft-of...

There's been an absolute rat's nest of buttons and other controls at the top of the document for 26 years. The graphic design of the 2013 version is currently more fashionable than the graphic design of the 1990 version, but the 1990 version indisputably has less stuff on it. When someone calls the older fashion "cluttered" I think they've merely learned to habitually overlook the greater clutter of the newer interface.]

zeveb5• 10 years ago

Is it just a case that no one cares about this sort of thing on that project?

I don't personally care. For me, the use case of LibreOffice is to view and sometimes edit Microsoft Office files sent by others, or to be sent to others. The UI is good enough for that (not quite as good as Word 5.1 for Macintosh, but good enough), and so I'm happy enough.

For any actual document that I care about, I'm going to use emacs, and the format I'll be working with will be LaTeX, org-mode, Markdown, HTML, plain text &c. &c. &c.

For any actual data manipulation that I care about, I'm going to use emacs and Common Lisp, Python, shell, awk, Perl, R &c. &c. &c.

It's entirely possible that if I wanted to live in an office suite that LibreOffice wouldn't be good enough, but — I don't want to live in an office suite. I think that they are a fundamentally flawed way of working with information, and am privileged to be able to choose not to use them for much of my work.

davidgerard6• 10 years ago

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar

grandinj• 10 years ago

We have a design team, and they keep improving things, but it's a fairly large surface of UI so it's taking a while.

danielhunt7• 10 years ago

Please don't take my random internet musings too much to heart (if you have at all).

As I've said elsewhere, I have a lot of respect for everything that you as a group have pumped out to get LO to where it is right now.

Thank you for everything you've done so far, and what you'll (hopefully) continue to do into the future.

pasbesoin• 10 years ago

I hope they keep today's "designers" as far away from it as possible.

Clear, correct, and discoverable functionality. That's what I want.

Mystery meat UI and the latest "precious" shade of pale blue or whatever? Fuck right off.

AgentME• 10 years ago

I feel like Microsoft Office's UI peaked in Office 2004, before the ribbon, and LibreOffice's UI is almost identical to it, except I get lost less in LibreOffice looking for formatting options.

chadlavi• 10 years ago

I think the point danielhunt is making—and it's a good one—is that people don't want to use software that isn't pretty. Sure it's functional, of course. Vim is functional. But OSS software like LibreOffice consistently have that... sad soviet-like "hey it's functional enough" feel to them.

dbs• 10 years ago

Because it just works, year after year. I moved to Linux solely because I was tired of dealing with new interfaces every other year and lack of file version compatibility every new release.

Maybe the solution for LO is not adding a new interface but in removing things from it. Atom is a powerful text editor with lots of features and people don't seem to complain about the ultra-minimalist interface.

k_bx2• 10 years ago

New release has "view -> toolbars -> single mode" (you need to untoggle the other two), so that you get 1 toolbar instead of two now. It looks pretty ok now. Silver background surprises me a bit (could do more macOS-style), but overall looks not that bad IMHO https://i.imgur.com/5v4QRqC.png

k_bx2• 10 years ago

Not saying it's "as good as others", pictograms still look very askew, but it's just much better than it was.

IgorPartola4• 10 years ago

Honest question: is LibreOffice still relevant? In the days of Google Drive and MS Office being available on pretty much any OS and device, do we still need an old school desktop office suite?

ipunchghosts• 10 years ago

Came here to ask the same thing.

copperx• 10 years ago

Someone should create a LaTeX class for that...

tcfunk• 10 years ago

Depends on how passionate people are about keeping their information out of the hands of Google & Microsoft. I would say that, for anyone using linux as their daily driver, LibreOffice is still very relevant.

jasonkostempski3• 10 years ago

I'm on a personal mission to get my stuff off Google which is why I use LibreOffice on my home computer, but for work, there are some documents I could get in trouble for uploading to the cloud. I've used nothing but LibreOffice for over a year and haven't had to fall back on Office even once. To be fair, I don't usually author spreadsheets or docs for other people to see, so I can only attest to how well it opens files.

UncleSlacky• 10 years ago

It is if you care about privacy, and/or offline availability.

Jedd• 10 years ago

There are plenty of times that you're not attached to the network, or people who don't wish to be attached to a network in order to edit a document, or don't want Google owning their work, or even having access to it.

MS Office is not available on the OS I use (not sure what 'pretty much any' means here), and even if it were I would not feel comfortable stumping up cash for it, or, more to the point, running it on my machines.

Why the pejorative 'old school' appellation? It's younger than Microsoft Office.

lucaspottersky2• 10 years ago

i know from my friends that it's very hard to write a scientific paper that follows ABNT (brazilian standards) on anything else that is not MS Word.

herge• 10 years ago

If you are managing spreadsheets of any appreciable size, Google Drive is unusable, and MS Office isn't available on linux.

Gregordinary• 10 years ago

As others have mentioned, being in control/possession of your own data is a factor.

Anyway, I wouldn't call this ready for prime time, but there is an online version of LibreOffice:

https://owncloud.org/blog/libreoffice-online-has-arrived-in-...

davidgerard6• 10 years ago

Speaking as someone who uses Google Docs at work, I am delighted that LO 5.2 works seamlessly with Google Drive and two-factor authentication.

Because Google Docs' word processor and spreadsheet are absolutely terrible for anything beyond the basics, and unlike GDocs, LO can decode OOXML with pretty good fidelity. Everyone goes on about LO and OOXML - you'll see a standard troll comment elsewhere on this HN post - but nobody ever mentions what a hash GDocs makes of even quite basic OOXML. I keep having to open email attachments with LO instead.

(I filed bug 87938, which was to get Google two-factor working. I am enormously happy with this. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87938 )

zeveb5• 10 years ago

In the days of Google Drive and MS Office being available on pretty much any OS and device, do we still need an old school desktop office suite?

Neither Google Docs nor Microsoft Office's web offering are terribly powerful. Neither respects its users' privacy. Using neither is particularly wise should one wish to compete with either company, nor if one is doing anything which any country those two companies operate in might object to.

So yeah, a local office suite is necessary if one wants to do office-suite-style computing.

I'd argue that style of computing is inappropriate, but others are free to disagree and do what they wish.

IgorPartola4• 10 years ago

I am honestly not familiar with the ToS for either of these services, but I can't imagine a situation where Google would steal trade secrets from a competitor via Google Drive and not get into a carapton of trouble for it. Has this actually happened? Also, have there been cases of Google or MS snooping into users' documents? I honestly don't know.

As far as being available on any OS, MS office has a browser based version of their office suite, as well as native apps for Windows, MacOS, iOS, and Android. I believe that covers a "pretty much any OS" description.

Of course if you want to stay offline, there is no question. And I guess LibreOffice is still very relevant for the places where ubiquitous Internet access hasn't happened yet. But I would argue that the average consumer in the developed world has already overwhelmingly voted for the cloud, and outside of some communities such as HN, the question of "does Google read my docs/email/etc.?" has been completely dropped.

sigzero• 10 years ago

For those on MacOS, what do you think about it vs Office?

jasonkostempski3• 10 years ago

A little off topic but I've been in the market for a libre standalone desktop calendar with an API similar to what Google Calendar has. I've been surprised to see that no other Office-like suite of products (including MS Office) has added calendars to their stack. Is there just no demand for such a thing?

phireal• 10 years ago

Office has a calendar in Outlook.

jasonkostempski3• 10 years ago

I know, and it's not like it's just a simple date picker, so I'm sort of surprised they don't break it out into a standalone app to compete with Google Calendar. I wouldn't use MS's calendar either but if they made one I think LO would follow suit and then I'd get my libre calendar :)

irq-1• 10 years ago

TSCP is interesting. Document management through federated identity, that's being used by NATO and the DOD.

https://www.tscp.org/about-tscp/

msoucy• 10 years ago

What I find interesting, is that I can't find any references to Microsoft Office having that functionality...

nice__two3• 10 years ago

Because TDF highly targets one market, MSO isn't that interested about at anymore: government agencies.

In the time a lot of European governments become more open (open data, mandating the use of true open standards etc.), TDF has correctly recognised this as their competitive edge. Also, because they very often are willing to (at least partially) finance that work.

For the benefit of all LO users!

fiatjaf• 10 years ago

I would feel more comfortable about LibreOffice if it wasn't a "suite".

nice__two3• 10 years ago

You can select the modules you want when installing. Just deselect then in the NSIS installer or don't run the package files (in Linux). It's that easy.

jpalomaki• 10 years ago

Libre Calc has better features for reading/writing csv files than Excel. With large files it however seems to be much slower than Excel.

nice__two3• 10 years ago

Please file a bug report if you encounter this.

Pica_soO2• 10 years ago

You know how good a open source project is by the price it drives its competitors towards. Word is not free yet.

Pica_soO2• 10 years ago

I still dont get how a solid fact of reality stated is down voted. This should be a point of discussion.

Open Source mainly works by maintenance and "gardening" - aka cutting away unwanted growth. Instead of finding a UI-Approach that is compatible with this development form, just ignore it and go on with business as usual?

LibreOffice 5.2 “fresh” Released, for Windows, Mac OS and GNU/Linux

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