Introducing Heroku Private Spaces

https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2015/9/10/heroku_private_spaces_private_paas_delivered_as_a_service

by grk • 11 years ago

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zrail• 11 years ago

I'm really excited about this, and also really excited to see what the pricing is like.

sudhirj3• 11 years ago

The video looks like it's org-only - I think getting an org on Heroku starts at USD1000 a month.

isaiahdw• 11 years ago

Heroku Enterprise (required for Orgs, Private Spaces, etc) requires an annual agreement paid upfront ($18K/year minimum) for pre-allocated resources with a 20% premium for the included premium services (Org Account, Customer Solutions Architect and 24/7 Premium Support SLA).

sudhirj3• 11 years ago

I can't make out if public facing apps can deployed inside a space, though - I just want to be able to use Heroku in the Singapore region :-/

amerine2• 11 years ago

Yes, the applications are publicly accessible by default, just like the Cedar-based ones.

grandalf4• 11 years ago

This is about three years overdue, but at least it's here.

How close does it come to making PCI-DSS Level 1 attainable on Heroku? What about HIPAA?

grandalf4• 11 years ago

follow-on questions:

- is it now possible to write a script that generates network diagrams, etc., that are sufficient for PCI-DSS Level 1?

- is the rest of Heroku's datacenter process documented so that it can be given to a QSA?

- Would it now be possible for companies like Aptible to sell their core competency/service as a Heroku add-on?

- Can add-ons be launched inside a private space?

- Can access to Heroku, git deploys, etc., add-ons be 100% protected by multi factor authentication?

njudah• 11 years ago

PCI and HIPAA are on the roadmap for Private Spaces - stay tuned for updates.

nzadrozny2• 11 years ago

Can add-ons be launched inside a private space?

Addon provider here: haven't heard anything official from Heroku on this, so this is my own personal speculation based on the current public Provider API. It seems that Heroku Postgres and Redis are available, and while they're _technically_ addons, they naturally have access to somewhat privileged APIs and architectural information that other addons do not have.

Currently, when an addon is provisioned, we're given a region identifier for the US East and EU public regions. My uninformed guess is that Private Spaces amounts to "your dynos run on servers in a private VPC." IF the Postgres and Redis integrations were "quick 'n dirty," they could very well get provisioned within the same VPC. However, it also seems plausible that AWS VPC peering can be used for other addons to provide their own Private Spaces support.

So it seems to me the question comes down to whether Heroku can (and/or _wants_ to) support VPC pairing with addons via their Provider API, so that other providers can provide their own private spaces.

chasb3• 11 years ago

Deploy anywhere, with hybrid deployments (Aptible + Heroku + AWS + whatever) and still have automated compliance evidence would be the holy grail. It's still difficult to extract all of the control information you need from many (any?) providers, which is why we built our container service.

markolschesky2• 11 years ago

Much like how 95% of brewing beer involves cleaning, 95% of compliance involves paperwork and audits. A ton of it. In a world where setting up a VPC (or its equivalent) is the table stakes for compliance, achieving the rest of your compliance takes a lot more work than setting up a private VPC. That's true on Amazon or any other service.

The biggest thing to consider when adding another layer onto your compliant stack is how easily you can prove compliance when your customers ask. Whether it's BAAs, SSAE 16 documentation or access to HIPAA or HITRUST audits, you need your partners to be able to provide you with not only the documentation but the expertise to discern what that documentation needs. When your partner decides to build something as an add-on to a stack like `Your product > Heroku > AWS`, you need to guarantee that the middle man can either answer all of your questions or can find the person downstream who can when it's relevant. As we've needed to work with partners and considered doing add ons with compliance, this has been the #1 question we've needed to answer first. In a world where your customers should be willing to pay for compliance, the person you call on the phone with questions about what it takes to achieve compliance on their stack should be able to tell you from experience what it's like going through a HIPAA, HITRUST or PCI audit.

Most of the documentation we've provided where I work on the subject is free online: http://catalyzeio.github.io/policies. You can see through the forks that folks have used the documentation to prove compliance not only on our platform at Catalyze but also on other stacks like AWS.

GolfyMcG• 11 years ago

Would love to get a response to this. We are required to be HIPAA compliant and started out on Heroku. We basically only had a prototype built and didn't have any clients yet, so we didn't really care. After a weeks of paying for Heroku we got a very standard sales call from Heroku. They were checking-in/trying to up-sell us on some stuff.

They asked us what we needed, and I responded with, "We need to be HIPAA compliant - what do we need to do to make that happen on Heroku?"

The sales rep immediately replied along the lines, "We don't do that."

He ended the call shortly after that, clearly uninterested in our money.

Since then, we started using Aptible (https://www.aptible.com)and they are AWESOME. The biggest difference for us is that they also provide the legal documentation and advice to working through HIPAA compliance. They're totally willing to go beyond just being a PaaS and really start to blend into a moderate level of legal counsel. Only downside is that their premium service entails a premium price.

grandalf4• 11 years ago

I too have used Aptible and been very impressed. Seems like Aptible would be avery smart acquisition for Salesforce.

mberning• 11 years ago

I talked to them out at AWS re:invent in November and it was implied but not confirmed that HIPAA compliance was being worked on. Maybe things have changed since then.

patrickread• 11 years ago

Also an Aptible customer, went down a similar route from Heroku to Aptible. Like it so far!

Also have had impressively short conversations with SaaS product companies after the acronym HIPAA or BAA is brought up.

chasb3• 11 years ago

Aptible CEO here - thanks for the Aptible love! I imagine Heroku will offer a BAA at some point for this product, but you're right that the hybrid compliance/technical services will remain the most valuable part of platform services like these, at least for regulated industries.

superuser2• 11 years ago

HIPAA compliance is 99% paperwork, policies, and procedures. There are technical safeguards, but they're things you'd be irresponsible not to do anyway: have individual user accounts, encrypt things, lock workstations after periods of inactivity, have reasonable password policies, etc. And it's pretty dated - as far as I know 2FA isn't even mentioned. It also doesn't include things you'd think it might: no medical practice is actually using PGP. Microsoft Exchange as far as they eye can see. Maybe, if you're lucky, a central gateway so that outgoing emails show up as a link to a web portal where you can log in and view the message.

Most of HIPPA compliance (from an IT perspective) is having a comprehensive security policy and documenting that you're doing certain activities with the appropriate frequency: risk analysis, security audits, auditing user accounts and privileges, security training for users, etc.

I think the biggest barrier to getting HIPPA compliance on more infrastructure providers is that infrastructure providers are engineering organizations, and HIPAA is mostly a CYA activity for lawyers (plus some easy, obvious OPSEC).

pinum• 11 years ago

So... PPaaSaaS?

cdnsteve• 11 years ago

Does Private Spaces (aka VPC) offer any type of SLA?

guiporto• 11 years ago

Heroku please launch new regions! I really hope you guys launch in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Paulods2• 11 years ago

Yep. Wouldn't hurt to have Tokyo regions as well for Asia.

njohansson• 11 years ago

They do in fact launch Tokyo as a region in combination with this announcement! (together with Frankfurt, Germany and two US regions) As all these places are AWS regions and this service most likely is built upon VPC I don't think it's a too wild guess that this service will eventually be available in all AWS regions (https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/)

griffinheart• 11 years ago

We'll probably soon move out of Heroku exactly because of this, makes no sense to have our stuff in the States when our user base is in Tokyo.

sudhirj3• 11 years ago

Is this enterprise-only?

mrfusion• 11 years ago

Can someone explain like I'm from 2005?

gleenn• 11 years ago

Private cloud app hosting which people like the government need

roymurdock• 11 years ago

Or anyone creating apps for companies in industries where the data generated/stored by the app is regulated by the government.

Healthcare is the main concern here with HIPAA but it should also apply to insurance, finance, and some industrial use cases.

timlang2• 11 years ago

You can sign up for the beta of Private Spaces here, as well as a technical webinar: https://www.heroku.com/form/enterprise-beta-programs

austenallred• 11 years ago

Is the technical webinar required to sign up for the beta?

timlang2• 11 years ago

No, but those attending the webinar will likely get precedence.

anacleto• 11 years ago

"This is about three years overdue."

I couldn't agree more

Recommended write-up: What is Heroku: getting started with PaaS development

[0] http://cloudacademy.com/blog/what-is-heroku/

pbiggar• 11 years ago

No-one is ever happy.

llama0522• 11 years ago

I guess I don't understand this market, if you need any sort of compliance, why don't you just host it direct in AWS? The tools are there and it's not hard? Using something like this is not cost effective imho.

kgosser2• 11 years ago

Speaking from a HIPAA point of view, the amount of complexity you must manage to build your own compliant environment on AWS is extremely high. HIPAA's controls account for block level encryption, managing your logs a certain way, and many many more things.

Furthermore, compliance is more than just doing the right thing. It's proving that you are compliant. There is immeasurable value with selecting a vendor who is audited to be HIPAA Compliant or HITRUST Certified because then the risk is offloaded to someone with credibility in the marketplace via a Business Associate Agreement. If you wanted to build your own HIPAA compliant stack on AWS, and you want to be taken as credible when trying to sell to a CIO at a hospital, then you will need to go through the procedure of becoming HITRUST Certified as well.

Otherwise you will just be nibbling at the edges and taking on all the risk while hampering your business model.

llama0522• 11 years ago

Aren't you still building your own compliant environment on the application side with a heroku like model?

I'm pretty sure AWS has a package for HIPAA compliance that will checkmark most of the required fields outside of the application, and general settings fields. Most of the problems will come from the Application architecture. You can have a prebuilt envorionment for everything but if you're code is garbage then good luck.

Not sure how hosting in AWS is any different from hosting on Heroku, considering you're ultimately still responsible for the Application side. Does Heroku manages your logs in someway that AWS cannot?

Even with an agreement with a merchant, aren't you still responsible for your application code? Isn't that still subject to HIPAA requirements?

Also AWS is HIPAA compliant and they will do a Business Associate Agreement, and has been HITRUST certified iirc.

psychometry• 11 years ago

Sigh. The "it's not hard" argument is incredibly myopic and annoying.

There's a huge range of possible environments and combinations of add-ons available with Heroku and a huge range of available DevOps resources across companies. A small startup with no DevOps resources but a complicated Heroku app with fifteen add-ons will find their current setup vastly more cost effective than hiring someone to reproduce that setup on AWS.

People too often fail to account for human costs and just look at pricing tables to decide what's cost effective.

dirkdk• 11 years ago

Is this running in Salesforce datacenters? Not Amazon anymore, as it used to be?

amerine2• 11 years ago

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