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No way am I going to trust a heavily LLM-generated app as a replacement to Briar...

Hasnt this already been thoroughly discussed? Your ability to do X degrades as you offload it more frequently, eventually to the point that you can no longer even vet the quality of the output.

I think the parent is saying now that that is attempting to be applied to "creativity" directly, as opposed to something like a shift of medium, that it threatens many peoples' ability to maintain creative capabilities.

Anecdotally I've already experienced this at work where post-AI we had a junior completely stagnate and a senior with over a decade of experience in the bay atrophy to the point that he had to be let go.

What do you mean we don't? Our cities seem quite safe...

Gotta get a GPS for my house lol

It doesn't require an app, hell if you even want a modem in it you need to pay extra.

Edit: it only needs an app for updates, which isn't notably different than taking you older pre-modem cars into the dealer for updates. Also I can't find any evidence that the base model even has a GPS built in.

Strange to put Framework in this category... They seem reasonably successful and even the company I work at is switching to them.

Im here with ya :)

Still working on CopDB, started adding jurisdictions outside of Utah and were thinking about doing some mass imports from select other data sources.

https://app.copdb.org/

As a part of the "don't use won't use" crowd it has been exhausting explaining that we exist lol

If you needed another reason to unsubscribe, the NYT has been a persistent peddler in American propaganda to the point that they arent willing to issue corrections for even their most falsified pieces. Their behavior since the start of the Gaza genocide has been particularly disgusting.

More info: https://writersagainstthewarongaza.com/boycott-nyt

I mean productivity gains don't usually go towards making the workers life any better. Also I'm still less than convinced there are any net productivity gains from AI anyway.

Increasingly happy with ability to simply avoid this entire debacle. Interfacing with machine extruded text, or even people re-wording such text, isn't something I've had to deal hardly at all in or our of work. Ensuring that did take quite a bit of effort though...

Perhaps, but in terms of the average Japanese persons day to day experience it doesn't seem so bad. They outrank us in almost all QoL measures

The thread is locked so I cant add it there, but if you wanted to jank-lang could be added to your prior-art section:

https://github.com/jank-lang/jank?tab=contributing-ov-file#a...

About a year. They were making slop, then when asked to work without AI were unable to be effective for months.

Similar situation here! In fact our team has a no-LLM policy that I'm quite happy with. We did experiment with it, to the point that one of our seniors atrophied so badly we had to let him go, and we're still paying down some of the slop residue...

as it isn't funded through taxes

This is simply not true, especially when you consider the massive amounts of government support so many parts of this "experiment with their own money" is getting. As a Utah resident its extremely evident in how forcefully they're pushing through what will be one of the largest datacenters in the world despite near universal disapproval from the citizens.

I mean if they aren't going to be forced to eat the liability then the hype they get from it is worth it. Not a great state of affairs...

Hmmmm, the sentiment is nice but it coming from the Salt Lake Tribune is pretty rich... As someone living in SLC I've seen the "quality" of their journalism firsthand, even helped write a piece about it back in 2023:

https://copdb.org/articles/name-the-bastards/

Are we considering the NYT and USA Today "independent journalism" still? Seems dubious...

Just today we started a new cycle at work to move from GitHub to Forgejo, its such a refreshing tool... So fast, supports everything we need (and more), and no AI slop. Very happy with our decision

Maybe thats by design? If the org believes that for this to actually be effective it is inherently anti-capitalist, then it would probably want to keep people who are only there for the surface level vibes and dont understand that to stay away.

I've definitely been a part of orgs, in my case working with homeless folks, where people vaguely want to help but become hindrances when the struggle tries to actually start to address core issues like police abusing homeless folks instead of just being a food distro where they can get their pic taken and feel like they did something.

I mean, not really. You could be somewhat capitalist I suppose, but certainly not "strongly" if for no other reason than that "capitalism" is defined by goals that are inherently misaligned with the others listed (sustainability, right-to-repair, privacy). You could only be capitalist insofar as you believe that companies pursuing those claims will perform better in the market, and even that gets blurry around "right-to-repair" because the word "right" would mean its something the market wouldn't be allowed to alienate you from, so a force outside of capitalism would be enforcing that.

Thats because humans have "understanding" they can use to assess quality, without understanding "trying harder" just means spending more "effort" distilling an average result, at best over a larger sample size.

How is this not a bigger deal on hn? Was expecting a lot more conversation

His anti-LLM stance isnt unsurprising given the values he's posted about regularly for years, if anything his ability to avoid cargo-cult/hype nonsense is why I (and seemingly others) value his writing so much.

Isn't a huge part of the point of developing in the open so that people can assess the entire technology, including how its developed, and choose if they want to use it?

Folks using LLMs will have to accept that that will turn people away from using their software ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I always find folks bringing up rubber ducking as a thing LLMs are good at to be misguided. IMO, what defines rubber ducking as a concept is that it is just the developer explaining what their doing to themselves. Not to another person, and not to a thing pretending to be a person. If you have a "two way" or "conversational" debugging/designing experience it isnt rubber ducking, its just normal design/debugging.

The moment I bring in a conversational element, I want a being that actually has problem comprehension and creativity which an LLM by definition does not.

The best counter to this is to just forego these tools and develop actual knowledge. Knowledge & skill is still power, no matter what the AI propagandists say

Removing AI quite clearly doesn't fit into that category. It doesnt reduce human suffering, hell the primary propagandists behind it are explicitly anti-humanists and want it to replace human creativity. Thankfully its awful at that