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www.superjumpmagazine.com 1y ago

Ancient Worlds, Part 3: Meridian 59

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www.sciencedirect.com 1y ago

Practice of Neurosurgery on Saturn (Intl. Journal of Surgery Case Reports)

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pthorpe92.github.io 2y ago

How I got here

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twitter.com 2y ago

Occam's Crypto Corollary (Dan North)

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www.ocf.berkeley.edu 3y ago

Hardcore tech-interview style riddles and mathematical puzzles

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cyan.com 3y ago

Cyan: Regarding “AI Assisted Content” in Firmament

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www.amazon.com 3y ago

Tom Lesley has published 40 books in 2023, all with 100% positive reviews

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thingofthings.substack.com 3y ago

6% of this article is the term “effective altruis[m,t]”

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news.ycombinator.com 3y ago

Ask HN: How do you discuss interesting research online?

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lore.kernel.org 3y ago

Episode IV: A New Hack

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news.ycombinator.com 3y ago

Ask HN: How to leave academia? And where to go?

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fortune.com 4y ago

Champagne bottle with a Bored Ape NFT sold for $2.5M

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news.ycombinator.com 4y ago

Ask HN: How do I convince my sister to stay away from investing in crypto?

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www.coindesk.com 4y ago

Elden Ring Has Outlasted Its Critics, and So Will Bitcoin

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www.memri.org 4y ago

Russia's New 'Conservative' Ideology to Counter Liberalism

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news.ycombinator.com 4y ago

Ask HN: Are Covid vaccines an instance of the trolley problem?

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www.anotherworld.fr 5y ago

Another World: Genesis

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You are arguing that creativity is still alive by showing creative works from before AI? I think your argument is backwards.

The problem is that we want, at the same time, to allow everyone to do it (by not enforcing any rules against it) AND laugh at a satire like this as if it was ridiculous. Both things cannot happen at the same time. It’ll be some time before we acknowledge that there is no research without AI, so we’ll keep pretending it doesn’t exist, but in the meantime, we will be doing all research with AI anyway. And by the time we arrive at a scenario like the article’s, it won’t be so ridiculous anymore, because we will be used to the even more ridiculous situation of pretending we’re not doing it.

It’s a joke and all but also not really? You might have to go do a chalk talk at some point, and that is basically the only part of this article that is actually not real. The rest (about how everyone in academia is prompting everything) is absolutely VERY real.

The word around all the scientific communities which I’m in contact with (to be honest, not so many) is basically “oh, there is no way to stop it, so we’ll embrace it”. All the conferences which I’m active in (say a handful of them) are just pretending nothing is happening and dealing only with blatant and obvious exaggerated cases. If you’re good at prompting, you’ll prompt, and there is no way in hell someone that doesn’t prompt has any chance at all at, well, anything academic really.

That’s a great scene, with great writing, and a nice article written about it, but we’ve all been there. Anyone with a couple of synapses has thought “AI is not like humans”. To realize that is not the issue; the issue is: how do you deal with the fact that we now live a world where you cannot actually tell the difference anymore? The awful truth is that nowadays AI could have written that dialogue, or something even “better”. If that movie had come out last month, I’d probably dismiss it as potentially AI.

So how do we maintain the parts of our lives as a group that rely on the “soul”? Imagine you meet your soulmate, and they write the most beautiful love letter you ever read. But, the language is a bit too fancy, and they made less mistakes than usual. Hell, you’re quite sure they don’t even know exactly what a couple of those words even mean. So how do you deal with that? Or even worse, suppose the writing is exactly as they would have written it. How do you deal with the doubt?

So what happens to the “human soul” if our output is identical to a robot? If humans are black boxes, but we replicate the box perfectly, the how will the contents of the box survive? And how do we find them?

Pre-2022 Books 1 month ago

It’s funny when people dismiss this as some kind of Luddite argument, when the reality is so simple: you have a producer-consumer system where the producer has been accelerated 1000x but the consumer remained the same. How can that work?

Pre-2022 Books 1 month ago

If the writer did not put effort to write, why would you put effort to read? Writing became 1000x faster but reading stayed the same speed.

Pre-2022 Books 1 month ago

” Perhaps we’ll get used to this new tool, and move on.”

Perhaps we’ll be flooded with slop to the point where nobody can distinguish reality from fiction anymore, because it takes too long to check and reason about it with our outdated tools and thinking processes. Then perhaps people will lose faith in the “truth” and simply accept that one-sided ideology and biased belief is all that exists and matters, and corrupt leaders (at all levels) will make use of that to sway masses of useful idiots.

Wait…

Pre-2022 Books 1 month ago

It does not matter, to be honest. Slowly people are realizing that nobody checks anything anymore, and when they check, nobody cares about positives or negatives, be them true or false. Actually, if you write something by hand today, all you’re doing is slowing yourself down, because truthfully nobody else will do that. Do you really think that you will have 100 times the benefit for doing 100 times more work than the other medíocre competition? No, because the audience does not care, and will care less and less as time goes on.

I understand what you mean and it’s not wrong, but still there is a contract that is being fulfilled: human in both ends. Whether it’s rambling or not, someone wrote it, and it represents a person’s idea of whatever is being discussed. That contract is now broken, but in an asymmetrical way, only one side gets to save time. My brain refuses to spend time reading crap that I don’t even know if someone even took time to prompt. Maybe they just wrote “give me something to post, whatever makes me look smart”. It’s just completely broke for me and makes me actually sick in the stomach when I read almost anything (textual uncanny valley?)

I’m still holding on to my hope that LLMs will destroy verbosity and usher in an era of concise and objective human-written works. Especially in academia. In my research area people write 10-page articles that could easily have been 2 or 3, for no reason other than that 10 page is the publication limit most of the time and if you write less it’s seen as lazy or something. Not to mention 20-page journal articles with humongous literature reviews that everyone skips, and so many meaningless diagrams and sections. I still hope that LLMs will make people so tired of reading slop that they’ll beg you to please submit shorter articles.

Yeah, you’re spot on, and I hope people catch up on this soon (it’s already taking too long). I think one thing that most people haven’t realized yet is that reading AI slop bombs is really time consuming and stressful. We’re still operating on the assumption that reading is “free”, which came from the fact that writing took time and effort and written words were mostly meaningful before (at least you read something that you know took someone some time to write). But now that “writing” slop is so easy, reading can’t keep up. We can’t just keep reading all the meaningless crap people dump everywhere. It’s not scalable or even doable.

I think you’re wrong in one thing: Reading through meaningless walls of text takes time and effort that I’m not willing to waste. So it’s not just accepting a different culture; it’s not “free”. Reading AI grenades is really stressful (at least for me).

Don’t want to be that guy but brace yourself for part 2… if the first one disappointed you in some places, the 2nd is going to beat you to a pulp. And I won’t even start on the third. I’m the kind of person who prefers not to finish a game than to read hints or walkthroughs, and parts 2 and 3 have been sitting on my unfinished stack for literally decades. :(

Accelerando (2005) 2 months ago

He writes that the book was written in 5 years and it is a personal record; does anyone know if that means a record slow or a record fast?

It’s unavoidable, but really sad, isn’t it? Thinking about the incredible creativity and hard work that went into creating such challenges and now it’s probably history. I feel something similar with free-to-play gacha video games. The gacha mechanics are slowly creeping into every type of game, and where you once had very clear and obvious slot machines, now you get them transparently mixed in with beautiful and fun games (e.g. ZZZ, Where Winds Meet, Genshin, etc) in a way that sounds like in the near future no company will have any incentive to not have gacha mechanics in any game.

Yeah but for the brief time window (which is probably coming to an end right now) where getting your name on the leaderboards was still worth it anyway, because people had not yet realized that the game is over, players will use the car anyway. Now that the game is over, leaderboards are meaningless, so we will figure out ways to move past that (like playing with people who care). But that will change the game in unavoidable ways: the tiny, fragmented scale will give less incentive for creators to come up with massive intricate complex challenges (it would be like hoping Bethesda would make Skyrim for a handful of die hard players). And soon, maybe on a few years, people will invariably start questioning whether it even makes sense to waste their time with this hobby if learning CTF skills is basically useless in an AI dominated world. There are still people learning Assembly for fun, but almost nobody does Assembly programming challenges as a hobby.

It’s different, unfortunately. I wish you were right. The problem is that creating interesting and fun CTF challenges is a very active, time consuming, creativity-heavy task. A chess board is always the same, and always will be, but every CTF competition is unique. There is little to no incentive anymore to spend time creating the challenges. You might say “well create the challenges and share them with people who care and who want to play honestly” which is probably the right answer here, and might happen at a smaller scale. I picture CTF in the future almost like a tabletop RPG experience, one where a small amount of people will share with close friends who they trust. But the usual “open” CTF scene (as mentioned by op) is probably over for good, if we’re being honest.