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We’re solving for this very issue. Issues & pulls will belong to the repo, backed by a “COB” (collaborative object) system.

Tangled is built for jj :) We support stacking using jj change ids: https://blog.tangled.org/stacking

That's Tangled! Self-host your knots, AT Protocol for identities, and an "indexer" at tangled.org (easily replaced).

Cool. It's been years since ForgeFed came out but it isn't anywhere nearly as federated as Tangled is. What gives?

This is incredible. Thanks.

AT Protocol uses OAuth: https://atproto.com/specs/oauth

I've written about this: https://anirudh.fi/future

The cool thing is you can just host your own knot then. Host repos of whatever size you want.

Except there isn't already ForgeFed.

Why does it need VCs? Why not company and corporate sponsorship like Ladybird?

You talk about corporate sponsorship like that's trivial to find. Trust me when I say we spent over half a year chasing down grants/sponsorships only to be met with closed doors, extremely long wait times for pennies. We'd also be required to keep our day jobs—which means less focus on Tangled dev, and ultimately very slow progress overall.

We debated VC heavily (we're both idealists after all), but figured we can make it work—it's ultimately the founders that make bad calls leading to enshittification. There's plenty of examples of VC-backed companies that haven't enshittified. Tailscale is an excellent one, and hence we brought on Avery as an angel in our round.

Pick whichever. We <3 the Radicle team and they're admittedly solving a much harder problem (gossiping git!) and rather elegantly at that.

Tangled is built entirely in the open: https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core, and our primary goal is to be "permanent software"—i.e. be fully reproducible and entirely self-hostable at minimal cost.

VC money is a means to an end. We're both Indian founders in Europe, and grants are nigh on impossible to find (4–12+ months for anything to materialize). VC is quite simply the quickest way for us to build a team, setup infra and accelerate development. We're also incredibly aligned with our investors on our goals (we took 6+ months to find the perfect partner for this).

There is! https://radicle.dev :)

Ha, we heard this but decided to stick to it because hey, it isn't hurting anyone. No harm in a little bit of fun.

We did raise $4.5M recently to build exactly this: https://tangled.org

Yeah that's fine, we offer first-party hosting for free forever.

The neat thing about Tangled is it's built on an open protocol (https://atproto.com)—this allows us to effectively build an API-free system since all data on Tangled can effectively be ingested via the AT Protocol firehose.

Which is to say, this is perfect for agents given they don't need any bespoke SDK from us: simply write Tangled records for issues, pulls, whatever to your PDS and it'll show up on Tangled. We plan to start working on some exemplar agents first-party that would 1. enhance Tangled itself, 2. showcase cool things you can do with an open data firehose.

Perhaps, but it's still better than nothing!

Thanks! If you need anything, email me anirudh@!

Yeah sorry it's marketing BS speak for self-hosted or just infra that you control. It could be a VPS, it could be a Raspberry Pi at home. Your repos live on your servers. (And we support this on Tangled today!)

It’s… all hand written? We just sound “professional”.

I'm biased (founder of tangled.org), but the future really should be federated forges. Host repositories on sovereign infra with global identity + federated "metadata" (issues, pulls, etc.).

Global indices for this should be trivial to spin up so availability is never a concern (we're working towards this!).

We’ve got this over on Tangled. :) https://tangled.org

Might also want to add Codeberg and Tangled for EU-hosted code forges.

I am tired of using and waiting for alternatives of, Github.

Are you interested in giving https://tangled.org a try? I'd love to hear your thoughts!

https://tangled.org :) We're hosted in the EU.

Tangled | Distributed systems / Generalist Engineers (Go, Nix) | REMOTE (Global)

Tangled is the next-generation social coding platform. We offer git repository hosting, stacked PRs, Nix-based CI and more. We just raised our €3.8M ($4.5M) seed round[0] to build foundational infrastructure for the future of open source.

Some of the things we're working on:

* a fully revamped CI (spindle v2!) built on micro VMs to allow for faster builds and more choice of build environments

* protocol-level improvements across the board that’ll unlock nifty things like repo migrations across knots, organizations, and more!

* a customizable “mission control” dashboard for your active PRs, issues, and anything else you might want to track

* a migration tool to help you move off GitHub

* all things search: code search, repo search, etc.

* platform and infrastructure performance improvements & more global presence

* Tangled CLI!

We're prioritizing hiring for CI infrastructure, so strong distributed systems experience, Go, Firecracker/virtualization, etc. are what we're looking for. If this sounds interesting, send us an email to team@!

[0] https://blog.tangled.org/seed

We’re shooting for this with Tangled (https://tangled.org). :)

Tangled founder here; it's just as easy! For example, here's the entire Tangled codebase monorepo: https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core — you can clone this directly as you would a git repo anywhere else.

https://tangled.org's spindle CI is pretty much this. It's not quite as powerful as Actions yet, but we're getting there!