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The fact that people have lived and worked near data centres for decades and didn't even know what the term meant - let alone be adversely impacted by them - probably indicates they're broadly an non issue. All of a sudden out of nowhere, AI and data centres got intermingled by the media and now people seem to have big issues with them.

I just want to say thank you. I've bought most of your games and they scratch an itch for me that few things in life do. I really appreciate it!

It's been pretty common in the past for tech companies to announce outages and quick updates about them on twitter for decades. I'm sure their status page etc will be updated soon, but it's historically been the fastest way to get things out to the wider audience whilst bypassing the "official mail out" review by marketing etc.

No they weren't. They were a gimmick - it is only in the past 6 or so months that frontier models have started to do stuff beyond mere gimmicks when it comes to coding

This is simply untrue. Using agentic orchestration I was writing production code daily 3 years ago. Hallucinations happened sometimes and context window was smaller (so you had to do some funky workarounds to deal with larger codebases), but it was workable. There have been a lot of marked improvements from a code perspective then - a lot model related yes, but also a lot in the ease of use, interfaces, etc.

Another thing I'd say is that you clearly have no clue what 'consumer hardware' means, or what consumers that can even get this stuff running locally would have to do to get it to even rival the frontier models in terms of their usability (most consumers are't going to just boot into Ubuntu and run this thing from a command line) flow, to say nothing of the hardware requirements.

You've moved the goalposts. My point was that the "danger" of no new open models being released isn't that high as the existing ones are already impressive. Their ease of use or daily driving isn't relevant to that. If there were a need, someone could wrap a clean interface and support around it, or run it as their own cloud solution.

You seem to be arguing something adjacent to my point, which is fine I guess but I have little to say. Also multiple of your comments have come across quite aggressive and rude. Just food for thought if you want to work on that or not.

Maybe. The use cases people primarily use LLMs for (documents, coding, design, research) existed decades ago with different tooling. Who knows if the future will have a slew of new problems that require new models or will continue to be similar?

And stop acting like some dog shit 8B model the average Joe can run on a laptop is even close to being comparable to what Claude or even Codex can currently do.

I'm not, you've actually illustrated my point. LLMs in 2022 were very impressive. By 2024 the general public was finding them an acceptable replacement for many research driven tasks and massive shortcuts for other tasks (coding, image work, document preperation, etc).

Those models are absolutely runnable on consumer hardware now, and we were extremely happy with the results. It's no different to how we used to think CRTs were amazing or early smartphones, but going back now they seem awful.

We're long past "danger". If what we have is the best we'll ever have open source, we're already in an excellent position.

Is that true? It feels wrong. Consumer grade SSDs and spinning disks are unlikely to be the products used in enterprise.

I suspect the type of person who is even aware of this 4GB blob is the type of person who would research its usage. Pretty high venn diagram crossover.

It's a very dangerous gamble. Today incredible value is available for nearly everyone. But it may stop without any warning, for reason outside our control.

What stops you from running the best open weighted LLMs currently available on consumer grade hardware for the rest of time? They're good enough for 95% of use cases, and they don't have a used by date. From what I can see, the "danger" is not having the next tier that comes out, but the impact of that is very low.

Can you explain for the billions of the rest of us why this is the "most stressful time of the year" for the group you're referencing? I assume that's American students and/or teachers?

All these articles listing the American schools affected, "nationwide" outage reported, meanwhile hundreds of millions in the rest of the world affected.

Does anyone have a list of affected schools?

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From skimming, I see at least 5 places where this is reiterated on the page.

Completely agree. How is it possible they issued these permits (years ago it seems) without having this infrastructure in place?

Maybe, but I can see why people don't want to deal with red tape to do someone a favour.

Once I tried to help an open source project with a bug and was rejected because I didn't agree to support the Ukraine, that all sexual orientations are equal, or whatever else the long winded contributor rules were.

The issue isn't that I don't support those things, it's more that it's like someone handing me a 3 page form to fill out for picking their keys up for them.

There also may be conventions on disclosure and exploits, but they're not based on the law or rules of society.

What are you basing that on? I'm usually pretty good at sniffing out AI writing, and it smells human to me.

The author quite clearly outlines their reasoning for this in the article:

Carrot Disclosure, dangling a metaphorical carrot in front of the vendor to incentivise change. The main idea is to only publish the (redacted) output of the exploit for a critical vulnerability, to showcase that the software is exploitable. Now the vendor has two choices: either perform a holistic audit of its software, fixing as many issues as possible in the hope of fixing the showcased vulnerability; or losing users who might not be happy running a known-vulnerable software. Users of this disclosure model are of course called Bugs Bunnies.

I haven't used any of the things you mentioned (except for an iPad) for a decade or so, but I can assure you they were all awful then compared to my experience years earlier with them.

For the record, I have seen every one of those in cloud based hosting multiple times. None of those issues require special work any more than they do than in traditional hosting.

What you say?

Where in that link are instructions provided for someone to use it without a mobile phone? I see instructions for calling, but that still requires a mobile phone (or if we're being generous, a street with a payphone nearby).

Maybe it's because I live in the Bay Area so the culture is affected by the proximity of tech companies. But my family in the middle of the country mostly seem to be on the same page, so I don't know how you explain that.

I can explain that. 100% of Americans add up to roughly 5% of the worlds population. As such, there are billions of non American users with very different viewpoints and opinions.

Most of the world aren't American and we can afford our legal systems ;).

If Spotify doesn't give you the controls you want... Don't use Spotify?

If my local park had a series of rotating knives and the council refused to do anything about it, I wouldn't let my kids go down there, supervised or not.

I agree parenting in the digital world is harder. You either learn how to do it to your standard or you don't allow the child to be part of that world if you are incapable or don't want to.

Don't pay and when you get a fine take them to court and state you don't have a bank card. There's jo wat a council can legally require you to enter into an agreement with a bank to use council run facilities, it's likely nobody's challenged them on it though.

Every council I've lived in has still taken cash for every type of council fee, despite their "official" statement being they don't.

That's a valid sounding argument. However many people with no strong view either way are producing functional, good code with AI daily, and the original context of this thread is about someone who has never been able to produce anything committable. Many, many real world experiences show something excellent and ready to go from a simple one shot.

Using your analogy, if every restaurant in town had a problem where most people wanted to come in and get food for free (and it was an expectation in the industry) and people refused to go in and pay, everyone would be upset they could no longer go out to eat when there were none left. If nobody is interested in paying for their meal, you can't be shocked the ingredient and chef quality drops in turn.

It got shut down in my country about 10 years ago.

It's a great album, but the term was around long before it.

Spotify has spent 5 years pushing podcasts and audio booms at me, despite me never clicking one and showing interest. Spotify has very little idea what I want, it seems.

I have an intrinsinc interest and have been tinkering, fiddling, hacking and learning for 30 years. I've done it for money before, I've I've always done it for fun every spare moment I have.

I've never heard of your man here. Does that make me a lesser from your perspective?

I'm sick of this arrogent gatekeeping. Why does someone have to memorise names, dates and achievements to qualify as someone who loves what they do?