Monsti – a free and open source CMS written in Go

http://www.monsti.org/

by networked • 11 years ago

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nodesocket• 11 years ago

Great job. I'd recommend a design/UX overhaul though, it is quite antiquated. Check out some of the awesome "admin" designs on https://wrapbootstrap.com.

milankragujevic• 11 years ago

Reminds me of http://monstra.org/

laurent1234562• 11 years ago

Application Error when trying to add a new node:

    curl 'http://demo.monsti.net/@@edit?New=1;NodeType=core.Document' -H 'Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8' -H 'Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate' -H 'Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.8,fr;q=0.5,fr-FR;q=0.3' -H 'Cache-Control: max-age=0' -H 'Connection: keep-alive' -H 'Cookie: monsti-session=MTQzMjg4NzIxOXxEdi01QkFFQ183b0FBUkFCRUFBQUpQLTZBQUVHYzNSeWFXNW5EQWNBQld4dloybHVCbk4wY21sdVp3d0hBQVZoWkcxcGJnPT18j8xqXJd7vkXLPEt-9PuzVGLpyUkPiar9vmT9j7Bv5qE=' -H 'Host: demo.monsti.net' -H 'Referer: http://demo.monsti.net/@@edit?New=1;NodeType=core.Document' -H 'User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/6.0)' -H 'Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded' --data 'NodeType=core.Document&Node.Public=true&Node.PublishTime=2015-05-29T10%3A13&Fields.core.Title=sdfdfdsfdsfdsfds&Name=sdfdfdsfdsfdsfds&Fields.core.Description=&Fields.core.Thumbnail=&Fields.core.Body=%3Cp%3Esdfdsfdsf%3C%2Fp%3E%0D%0A'

ushi• 11 years ago

the demo is readonly

lenlorijn• 11 years ago

Before you enter the demo they say "(Read only! You'll get an error if you try to save anything. A complete and fully working example is included in the source distribution.)"

laurent1234562• 11 years ago

Right, sorry I've missed that.

hanlec• 11 years ago

As someone that have worked in the CMS space for quite a while (and ended up implementing a couple from scratch) I welcome any new solutions that are not antiquated.

One thing that I've learned during that time (and does not apply only to CMS's but that the time I fully realized it) is that everything you build in your CMS should always keep in mind who is the main user and who is the main consumer. The first one I've developed focused on the consumers. And every content creator hated me sooooo much. I went back to the drawing board... no actually I sit with almost each editor and looked at how they bitched and tried to find workarounds. It was an eye opening experience.

flinty• 11 years ago

Can you recommend a starting point to building your own cms?

krat0sprakhar• 11 years ago

Haha! Love the logo - http://demo.monsti.net/static/img/logo.png

I wish I could come up with such cute logos for my side projects. Would make life all the more interesting :D

whizzkid• 11 years ago

I am more interested in performance part of it actually.

- What is the memory and cpu usage when you get something like 500+ concurrent users?

lojack• 11 years ago

CMS's are one of the easiest pieces of software to naively throw a beefy caching server in front of.

Not saying performance should never be a consideration, but for the vast majority of websites, especially "personal, small business, or small NGO websites" that should be all you really need.

castell4• 11 years ago

Offtopic: a free open source Email server (SMTP, POP3, IMAP) written in Go would be awesome.

I always hate how complicated and time consuming the configuration is of the good old postfix and the various other packages.

miloshadzic• 11 years ago

Not written in Go but look into OpenSMTPD[1].

[1] https://www.opensmtpd.org

tracker1• 11 years ago

Seems to be only SMTP...

The issue with most Unixy mail kits, is it's a collection of software that isn't always well coupled, and bundled together in really haphazard ways...

Many people want a simple interface that gives them administrative control (separate from physical accounts on the machine) that upgrades as a complete set...

With Unixy mail systems, you update dovecot, crap, something else breaks.. you have an older mysql backing it, crap, everything breaks when you upgrade... there's too many disconnected pieces for someone that isn't a full time mail admin to effectively keep up with.

I believe the original request is for something similar to say SmarterMail but open-source and free... something easy to setup, cross platform and packaged in a modern approachable language.... If I didn't have to work, I've often thought about doing something similar with Node.js

pjc502• 11 years ago

Go would help for security, but would it help for configuration? Unless you configure it purely by writing extensions in Go.

castell4• 11 years ago

would it help for configuration

Yes, definitely. Try to set up the whole email pipeline in Linux/*BSD. You need dozens of programs including sendmail/postfix and each has its own config format. Many of these programs had their first release in the late 1970s or 1980s and probably no one understand every flag anymore. It's very time consuming (at least 4 hours) to config all packages.

How would a new implementation in Go help? It would be a clean break. Less features but a stable high performance implementation would be a win. Go is the ideal language for that task.

kaolinite• 11 years ago

Couldn't agree more and have considered building something similar in the past. Seems like such a gigantic project though.

I'd probably host my own mail if it were a matter of installing one server, hooking it up to a database (much prefer the idea of storing email in a database than mbox files) and giving it a few details. Even better if it came with a simple web interface for viewing email and for configuring.

I've set up mail servers in the past but I've always been left a bit uneasy, as if there's a possibility I've not quite set it up right.

trappedfly• 11 years ago

I did write an SMTP and POP3 server to learn Go a while ago - I was still learning the language, so the code is messy and terribly designed, but it works for receiving and reading emails. Together with a sendmail wrapper, I have been using it instead of postfix/dovecot due to my naiveness to write postfix config files:

http://github.com/trapped/gomaild

fweespeech• 11 years ago

This might be a good starting point:

https://github.com/flashmob/go-guerrilla

papaf• 11 years ago

I started on:

   https://fossil.alienscience.org.uk/repos/alien-mail/home

It is paused because IMAP seems to be the hardest part and I started a project with others to implement an IMAP server in Go:

    https://github.com/alienscience/imapsrv

Progress on both projects is very slow - I spend about 3 hours a week on it. However, help is always welcome.

Edit: The two hard things about writing email servers are that its incredibly boring and there is a lot to write.

simi_• 11 years ago

Good luck!

By the way, there is a rather popular static site generator written in Go: http://gohugo.io/

fit2rule• 11 years ago

Another vote for hugo here .. its a very handy tool! Doesn't have all the up-front stuff that monti seems to have, but that has its positives too ..

Kabukks• 11 years ago

Check out Journey too: https://kabukky.github.io/journey/

I'm the creator, I hope it's OK to post it here. It seems fitting.

buro9• 11 years ago

No database required.

Filesystems are the new database.

So does this CMS support search?

How does it manage permissions?

I found the docs to be a little light on details. I guess that will change in time.

chrneumann3• 11 years ago

For "heavy" stuff that requires indexing (and where indexing using directories doesn't fit), Monsti might use a technology like Xapian. It might even use a database for this. But always on top of the "real" data that stays on the filesystem. But it's not impemented yet and plans might chance.

piokoch• 11 years ago

Recently I've noticed a kind of a strange fashion in the way of advertising new software projects on HN.

The most important information is not what cool things given project does, or what unique features it has but what programming language it is using.

There is a lot of posts "New blog engine in Clojure", "Amazing email server written in Haskell", "Text editor in ECMA Script version 9", etc.

Sometimes there is more to that: new project comes with better performance, easier code maintenance, clever algorithms used, novel architectural solution developed - stuff that really matters, but Monsti is an pathological example.

The first sentence on their web page says that it is written in Go, as if it mattered for their potential audience, that is "personal, small business, or small NGO websites".

Why should I choose Monsti over Wordpress? Is the installation easy? Does it work on a cheap website hosting? Can it survive Slashdot effect on that cheap hosting? How about comments spam protection? Is creating templates/themes super easy, maybe I can reuse the ones created for Tumblr? And so on.

Programmers might want to know if the GO API is particularly well designed or maybe we can create hooks to customize some functionality or maybe there is some utility to monitor Monsti site statistics.

Who cares that this stuff is written in Go and WordPress in non-fashionable PHP, while the latter offers something that is actually important for programmer, admin and site owner?

deckiedan• 11 years ago

It's because it's "Hacker News". The main audience here is hacker types who care about language. The main people to target with an open-source CMS, or with an email server or blog engine or whatever is the people who are going to want to hack it, and actually get involved in the project. Finding new contributors is really hard and important in a new open source project, and so advertising to find the kind of people who'd be interested in actually helping to write it is very important.

Once a project is big enough, then sure, drop the language stuff down to page 3 or whatever. But until you've got a community of passionate developers, it's a key concern.

IMHO.

m0th872• 11 years ago

A couple of years ago, we moved off of wordpress precisely because it was written in php. Once you're trying to do anything reasonably complex in a CMS, the architecture and the programming language matter, because you have to extend the CMS in some manner. For us, wordpress wasn't extensible enough - and php wasn't pleasant enough - to justify continued use of it. I imagine people in a similar position who want to use Go would give this a serious look.

jtreminio• 11 years ago

Don't confuse Wordpress with how PHP can and should be written.

zellyn• 11 years ago

It's incredibly useful to know what language something is written in.

First and most important, a CMS almost never does what you want out of the box, so you're going to have to customize/extend it in whatever programming language it's written in.

Second, the language tells you a lot about the mindset, ecosystem, type of design that you're likely to encounter when reading the code or even using the product.

Third, the language gives a lot of hints about the deployment environment you're likely to need. Java is going to need JVMs and people who know how to deploy and tune them. C# is going to need Windows, or someone experienced with Mono. Python/Ruby/PHP/etc. are going to need runtimes and pip/rvm/whatever. Go or C/C++ are likely to have simpler binaries, statically-compiled in the case of Go.

And fourth, as has been said better in another comment, this is hacker news. We're hackers. We like our programming languages, so we care. :-)

I should write a definitive blog post about this, and get it ranked on hacker news, just to defuse the "why is hacker news always saying 'in go' on story titles?" questions.

Semiapies• 11 years ago

What's "recent" about that trend? It goes back at least the six years I've been here.

oldpond• 11 years ago

Valid points. The customer shouldn't care if it's two tin cans and a piece of string, but developers do, and that's why I watch HN. Frameworks are where the innovation is at, and Go is a relatively new language with few frameworks. So, I am very interested in frameworks around new languages that speed development and facilitate good design and maintainability. I keep my eye out for Go and Elixir framework innovation, so I find these types of posts very useful.

clinta• 11 years ago

Go tells me that it's likely one self-contained portable executable. While wordpress and other php solutions can require quite a few dependencies. Saying it's 'easy to install' can be misleading. Some peoples definition of easy to install is curl | sudo bash or run this chef cookbook. Which actually tells me that the installation is so complex that it couldn't be done in a typical package manager.

chrneumann3• 11 years ago

Monsti is not WordPress and can't replace it. In fact, I use WordPress for my clients and Monsti for experimental projects only. And I like WordPress being so damn user friendly. But its implementation just sucks. Which matters for clients if I need more time do develop new functionality (Most WordPress plugins suck compared to WordPress core). And its slow and hard to maintain (especially if you use plugins).

Beware that Monsti is still in an early stage of development. The main reason to be interested in it is that it is written in Go. And that it is resource friendly and fast. I wrote it because the last Python-CMS I used consumed some hundreds of megabytes of memory for one simple site, and I could not run more that one site in parallel (in the same interpreter) because of it and some Python libraries using globals and monkey patching.

michaelx386• 11 years ago

Can anyone explain the significance of the @@ characters in some of the urls here? I've not seen these in urls before and wonder if there's a specific reason why they're there.

Example: http://demo.monsti.net/@@login

ravishi• 11 years ago

Not saying that is the case here, but Zope used to use @@ in the URLs for view lookup. Like in /folder/item/@@editWithFancyForms.

chrneumann3• 11 years ago

That's the case. Monsti is influenced by Kotti which is influenced by Plone which is based on Zope which uses @@ for "actions" (or whatever they call them). Monsti uses @@ to distinguish actions from regular URLs.

srameshc• 11 years ago

Great work ! I can use it for learning :)

Monsti – a free and open source CMS written in Go

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