Firestr: encrypted P2P chat and Lua application platform

by akkartik • 11 years ago

100 37 11 years ago

samatman• 11 years ago

This is a solid idea. Here's me:

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Let's play!

api2• 11 years ago

I'm on the 8056c2e21cae4b10 network. Edit: not sure it matters... I think it finds various paths.

I just created one:

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mahyarm• 11 years ago

And huge blocks of text like this is the reason why this needs some DNS equivalent.

mempko13• 11 years ago

Totally. These huge blocks are a short term compromise.

bamie9l• 11 years ago

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zokier• 11 years ago

So are the locators federated somehow or are they isolated islands?

mempko13• 11 years ago

Hi, the creator here. The locators are NOT federated. This is by design if you want to have a completely private network. Also, I haven't had time to implement federation. If this is something that interests you, you can help implement it if you want. The locator is less than 300 lines of code, so it should be easy to understand. My long term plan is to use a protocol like telehash instead of my own hand rolled one. However, you can have as many locators in your client as you want. So this way, you can have redundancy.

jszymborski2• 11 years ago

Wonder what they mean by encrypted.. haven't been able to find much in the docs.

"Secure: Fire★ encrypts your connection, so the only people who see what you're working on are those you want to."

It says that the connection is encrypted, which sounds like SSL/TLS?

mempko13• 11 years ago

The creator here. Thanks for pointing out the lack of documentation here. At the moment, the security is RSA for the handshake and AES for the data once a connection is established. The security at the moment has obvious problems, so don't use it where your life depends on it. I have a plan to switch to using telehash for the com layer instead of my own hand rolled protocol. In the meantime, I invite any security experts to help improve what I have. The first obvious improvement is to sign messages. So please help if you can.

jszymborski2• 11 years ago

Very cool, and I love your project. I've read your blog and your approach is very admirable and I love the extensible approach you've taken.

If you're still considering protocols, I'd consider the TextSecure V2 protocol. The documentation isn't crazy in-depth, but it's a really neat protocol that offers forwards and future security.

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure/wiki/ProtocolV2

green7ea2• 11 years ago

I was looking into making a similar application a while ago and was really interested in OTR. Not only does it provide encryption and authentication, it also provides deniability. Have you guys looked into using it? If you have and rejected it, what were the reasons?

mempko13• 11 years ago

I updated the README to mention the encryption used in the WARNING section.

edtechdev• 11 years ago

Hope to see more p2p application platforms in the future, including ones that might potentially run in a browser (via WebRTC) - if you know of others, please comment here.

There's one based on IPFS and blockchain that's a distributed video sharing app, like Youtube: https://github.com/eris-ltd/2gather

And there are some other decentralized / alternative Internet projects listed here (including Firestr): https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet/blob/...

sktrdie• 11 years ago

webtorrent is one that pops in my head.

treenyc• 11 years ago

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CodexArcanum• 11 years ago

This is an awesome idea! I had been thinking last week about how to build a distributed package manager, and a platform for running scripts attached to the package was an idea for later. So neat to see a distributed app platform, but odd how similar ideas seem to pop up at the same time.

mempko13• 11 years ago

I often feel there are no original ideas. What influenced me to make firestr was various things. The work of Alan Kay is a a big influence on me. I need real version control in Firestr and have been thinking to integrate git behind the scenes, or something similar. You are welcome to help!

staunch• 11 years ago

This is very interesting. Great work!

Fastidious2• 11 years ago

Could someone post screenshots? (OS X if possible, but any platform would do)

mempko13• 11 years ago

If you scroll down on the main website, http://firestr.com, you can see some screenshots. Animated gifs actually.

Fastidious2• 11 years ago

Wow! I did not realize there was more on the website. Thanks!

hollerith• 11 years ago

Some people never visit the HN home page, but do visit https://news.ycombinator.com/show, so (since this post would seem to qualify for /show) I suggest you get it on there.

mempko13• 11 years ago

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nacs• 11 years ago

For those curious, here's what the above message is base64 decoded:

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    :name9:fannytown4:pkey800:    
    -----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY-----    
    <key gibberish>    
    -----END PUBLIC KEY-----
    ;15:mempko.com:8080

mempko13• 11 years ago

Posted wrong one. Here is correct one.

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csirac2• 11 years ago

Also in this space: https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet - seems to have some pretty notable people involved.

osn• 11 years ago

It looks somehow promissing in concepts but I am afraid all such a platform needs a clear mobile story today..

api2• 11 years ago

On Android you could accomplish this, but iOS has some fairly inane restrictions around running any type of VM. It's enforced somewhat arbitrarily, but it lets Apple yank any VM or app-hosting type thing on their whim. It was originally put into place to keep Adobe Flash and Air off iOS.

I also disagree that you always need mobile for everything. This seems geared toward communicating and collaborating, so yes mobile would be a must for mass adoption. But if it's geared toward devs or professional work that's not necessarily true.

mempko13• 11 years ago

whichfawkes• 11 years ago

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Firestr: encrypted P2P chat and Lua application platform

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