YC startup accused of stealing design from CBInsights

https://twitter.com/atestu/status/563004733519302659

by jusben1369 • 11 years ago

95 34 11 years ago

asanwal5• 11 years ago

I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but Techlist's analytics capabilities have an uncanny resemblance to CB Insights.

In addition, 12 folks from their team have signed up for our free trial since September including the CEO, head of product, designer, product manager and a senior ruby developer.

Take a look at their heatmap. The color scheme to even the text underneath is exactly the same.

Here is our heatmap which we launched 2 years ago: http://cbi.vc/1AsvNy3

Their industry graphs are also the same. Here is ours: http://cbi.vc/1Asw0kR

On the bright side, this is a bit of an ego boost, and we're flattered that these guys liked CB Insights so much that they wanted one just like it for themselves.

Note: I'm the CEO of CB Insights.

jusben13692• 11 years ago

Do you think they just copied you to launch rapidly/MVP and if successful/raise then they would have resources to go in their own design direction?

ConfuciusSay• 11 years ago

Are you suggesting that excuses the copying?

asanwal5• 11 years ago

To be honest, I don't care :)

And copying our work was good enough to get them into YC so guess mission accomplished. Hopefully YC doesn't condone this type of behavior.

When the CEO and 11 other employees sign up for someone else's service to copy it, it seems originality might be in short supply.

williswee2• 11 years ago

Hi Anand you're right that 2 of our analytics layouts share a very similar aesthetic to those on CBI. On behalf of myself personally and on behalf of Tech in Asia and the Techlist team, I apologize.

We're doing a lot of work to make sure Techlist is unique behind the scenes, and of course the data we're pulling into our site is unique and Asia-focused, but we definitely made a mistake in taking too much from CBI's visual design. It was a shortcut, and one that we shouldn't have taken, as it does a disservice to you, to Tech in Asia, and to our customers. There's really no excuse; we should have put more time into coming up with our own visuals.

In the immediate future we will be working on finding a more unique aesthetic framework within which to present our data.

Note: I'm the CEO of Tech in Asia that runs Techlist.

williswee2• 11 years ago

Update: we changed our location and vertical analytics graph layouts overnight.

http://i.imgur.com/vJLd9Ls.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2KYx7zK.jpg

Plough_Jogger• 11 years ago

I can't imagine YC having a problem with team members testing a competitors' product, that's a pretty fundamental aspect of market research. Yes, they admitted to being influenced by yor charts, but you can't really claim IP on a line graph.

The best product will win, and your public cries of unfairness/ foul play is not a positive business signal.

It looks like CB Insights just dropped off of my investor-data-startups heat-map, which my team is working furiously to re-style, we had copied Techlist.

teddyuk• 11 years ago

I honestly don't know why someone would go to the effort of starting a company, obviously get some funding and entry to yc and not want the app to be unique and well thought out (not saying yours isn't) - I would want to put my mark all over it and the ui is critical to what customers see.

It is just stupid and shows bad judgment, not a company I would use.

tablet• 11 years ago

So someone stole your design and you cry out? WTF? Is it a kind of PR campaign? Get back to work and do something fucking unique that other can't easily steal. Invent. Cool inventions even in UI are hard to steal. You have NOTHING FUCKING SPECIAL in this design to cry about it.

brodd• 11 years ago

They both look like Bootstrap sites to me.

godzillabrennus• 11 years ago

Sounds like you might be their Xerox.

postit• 11 years ago

shame

jbob20004• 11 years ago

You didn't come up with the idea of a heatmap. Their designs are different enough that I wouldn't consider it stealing. You're in the same space it looks like, of course there is going to be crossover.

th0br0• 11 years ago

Have a look at the non-heatmap pages. They seem to be a copy of each other down to the order of the various parameters; even the labels tend to be identical or slightly rephrased...

JoeAltmaier• 11 years ago

What's actionable about this issue? The original design was good; they riffed on that. Like everybody else.

jbob20004• 11 years ago

It's still different. This is a common layout for charted data. Likewise, Ford can't sue Mercedes for coming out with a 4 wheeled car; that's what makes the most sense.

There's different fonts, different colors, different spacing, some less important elements are in different places. Forget it, this is just a tweet to stir up discussion and generate some page hits.

asanwal5• 11 years ago

The CEO of this company admits they used our design as "reference" to get something out the door quickly.

Here's his tweets that admit this: http://cbi.vc/1u9KQu9

jbob20004• 11 years ago

And you just pulled your design out of thin air? You woke up one day magically having this design idea without any prior influence? Please, you had your own references as well.

At my company, we routinely look at what our competitors are doing and we routinely look at ways of integrating their ideas into our product. It's not stealing, it's just business.

DanBC• 11 years ago

Normally when you accuse people of plagiarism you present side by side screenshots. That allows rapid comparison.

Linking to a twitter stream is suboptimal. (That's true for any reason except directly linking to a specific comment that some person has made, but especially true here.)

hubridnoxx• 11 years ago

Read the blog post again- there are side-by-side screenshots

mlevkovsky• 11 years ago

I would have reached out personally to the CEO, instead of publicly shaming.

akassover• 11 years ago

Why is that better? (Not trying to pick a fight, just curious how this would lead to a better outcome.)

calinet6• 11 years ago

Well, look what happened. In public. Really doesn't make anyone look good.

mpeg• 11 years ago

Honestly, their site looks a lot better. Taking inspiration from your KPI charts and flow is completely normal, everyone looks at their established competition for inspiration.

four• 11 years ago

Tuesday, Feb. 11, 2015, 10:24 a.m. My view of the point of this story: Copying a design is efficient business. Implementing someone else's idea instead of creating your own is lazy and lacks integrity. Profiting from someone else's work, without attribution or mutual agreement is stealing, is unethical and lacks integrity. Apologizing for acting wrongly is an act of integrity. So is ceasing one's unethical behavior.

The rules are: Take responsibility for your potential and for your actions. Don't be lazy. Don't steal. When you act wrongly, acknowledge it, stop it, fix it.

axg• 11 years ago

A good design team would look at a competitor's site and say, "we can do better". A poor design team would look at a competitor's site and say, "we can copy that".

YC startup accused of stealing design from CBInsights

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