Coda 2.5 Released

https://www.panic.com/blog/introducing-coda-2-5/

by mattstrayer • 12 years ago

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sixQuarks• 12 years ago

I'm new to programming. Is Coda worth the $99 price compared to Sublime?

k-mcgrady• 12 years ago

Depends how you like to code. One is a text editor with an optional fee of $70 the other is more like an IDE for web development. Both are powerful and useful tools. For most people I think it's just personal preference.

estoile2• 12 years ago

If you want to get access to Sublime Text 3 Beta, the $70 fee is not optional. Just an observation.

uptown2• 12 years ago

I'd suggest trying out their trial version (I think they still have that) to see if you like it. I used to use Coda, then Coda 2, but moved onto Sublime Text and haven't looked back. I still fire it up occasionally, but ST is my go-to editor.

dewey• 12 years ago

Depends on what kind of coding you are interested in and what your workflow is like.

If you are a new web developer it could be worth it, if you are looking into other non-web programming sublime or atom are probably the better choices because there are a lot of plugins and they support a bunch of different languages.

madoublet4• 12 years ago

I prefer Sublime, but Coda has better support for accessing remote locations (via FTP, sFTP, etc). With ST2, you need a third party plugin to do this and I found it a bit awkward to use.

uptown2• 12 years ago

I like using Transmit to mount wherever I'm working-with as a drive, then saving is pretty seamless.

jkestner• 12 years ago

Personal taste. I tried an older version of Coda and instead bought http://www.macrabbit.com/espresso/ because it felt more in tune with my style, and because it came with the wonderful CSSEdit. But Panic makes great products, several of which I've bought. Transmit is cooler than an FTP client has a right to be.

sseal• 12 years ago

I have both, Sublime seems to be leaner, but Coda has some neat features. If you are new to programming I would personally use Sublime since it is free, and then decide from there after a month or so.

michaelgrafl• 12 years ago

Ahem, Sublime Text costs 70 USD at the moment.

Tloewald• 12 years ago

If you want an actual free but very solid programmers' text editor for the Mac, try TextWrangler (the baby sibling of BBEdit).

Sublime is great but _not_ free.

I used to like Coda when I was mostly developing PHP stuff solo with MAMP, but when doing serious stuff I find it kind of an impediment. I still love Transmit.

Dewie• 12 years ago

IMO it might not be worth to spend that kind of money on something like this if you don't know what you want from it yet, which you don't seem to. Maybe you can find some free editor/IDE, or a free version of such? Then maybe you can choose what to purchase (if anything) once you know what you want.

fuzzywalrus• 12 years ago

Coda's idea is a one window workflow, complete with webkit / FTP / Git / terminal built in. Most of my days using Coda I spent simply using it as an editor. Its a philosophical standpoint that really depends on workflow. Its integrated FTP operations are fantastic.

When I changed jobs, and started working for a company with much better work flows (and required more complex tech stacks), I ended up jumping to Sublime + Tower, and just using the terminal separately. On the blue-moon that I need a FTP, I fire up Transmit. Since I'm working off local hosts, then pushing my commits to Git repositories that are then served to Jenkins, (staging/beta builds vs production) I'm now never touching the server itself.

Coda is geared best for someone looking for a one app solution to a multitude of things. I think like many, I started with Coda and outgrew it and that's fine. Its a great place to start and does a good job of being accessible. Panic is renowned for its UI/Design and Coda certainly shows that.

I've still yet to fully embrace the nuances of Sublime Text even after a year of using it as my primary editor. Sublime is not a pleasant experience to configure.

So to summarize, Coda is a great place to start.

freshyill2• 12 years ago

I definitely outgrew Coda a few years ago although I occasionally fire it up to use its visual grep. However, in the time since I switched to other editors (Chocolat, Sublime, and now Atom), my workflow has changed significantly.

I'm ready to do a clean install for Yosemite, and maybe it's also time to give Coda another look. I had been planning to switch back to Sublime after giving Atom a shot (there's a lot to like, but it's slow as molasses and the autocomplete is total garbage). So much of my workflow lives outside of my editor these days, so maybe it makes sense.

gr2020• 12 years ago

What did you think of Chocolat, compared to the others? I've been meaning to give it a try.

swartkrans2• 12 years ago

I have had chocolat installed for a long time and I sometimes use it when I don't want to look at a file in vim, which is pretty often when I just want to read the code. I hang out in the #chocolat channel on Freenode. My take on it is the developer sincerely cares about making a great editor, and it has always been pretty simple to use. The economics of being yet another code editor are not great and Alex is the only owner and developer yet he is still dedicated to the project. I am not sure you will ever see the kind of ecosystem that TextMate and Sublime Text enjoy, but if you can see past its faults, chocolat is a pretty nice little editor.

pketh• 12 years ago

I'm a huge fan personally, I especially like it's implementation of combined gutter linting and git line diffs.

dennisbest2• 12 years ago

I love Chocolat. It's fast. Code completion is excellent. It picks up where Textmate left off and uses the same bundles/plugins. And it doesn't require a bunch of customization to make it look at home on my Mac. I periodically fire up Sublime and Atom for fun, but Chocolat is most comfortable for me.

madoublet4• 12 years ago

Love Coda 2 and am very excited about Coda 2.5. The one major annoyance for me with 2 was not being able to search remote locations. I don't see this in the release notes. If the Panic team is listening, can we get this in version 3?

lukifer3• 12 years ago

I would like this feature too (as well as indexing symbols from remote files), butI wouldn't expect it, due to the potential for overwhelming a server by downloading hundreds or thousands of files. Doing the search server-side would be prohibitively complicated, due to the variety of shells and environments.

The workaround would be to use a setup that mounts SFTP drives locally (ExpanDrive, MacFusion, etc).

JohnBooty4• 12 years ago

You're absolutely right about the challenges, but mounting SFTP drives locally wouldn't solve the problem - in that scenario, every file would still have to be downloaded to your machine in order to be searched.

It doesn't seem totally unsolvable, though. I mean, if Coda can connect via SFTP then it can almost certainly connect to the server and run commands like awk, grep, find, Silver Searcher, etc. There's no technical reason why Coda couldn't run those commands on the remote host and return their results to you.

That's still quite a frigging challenge, obviously - there's a huge range of Unix utils that may or may not be available on each individual remote host. Coda would have to do some trial-and-error and/or probing on each remote host to see what's available.

andystannard2• 12 years ago

Looking forward to giving this a spin, I moved over to using brackets a lot but remember liking Coda a lot. I think I will have another go at using it the changes sound like they have some pretty big improvements.

JohnBooty4• 12 years ago

I really, really enjoyed Coda for quite a few years in the 1.x days. Panic makes really good stuff.

But had a hard time figuring out how to work Coda into a more "modern" workflow with Git, and moved on to Sublime because it has a more active plugin community and is cross-platform.

Maybe I should take another look at it. Coda definitely excels at the "I have a local copy of a website, and need to sync it with what's on the server over SFTP" workflow.

That was back in the 1.x days, though. I haven't looked at it in ages. Should I? I do mostly Rails these days.

davisr• 12 years ago

Coda 2, released a few years ago, brought a lot of git-related changes. Things like branching, merging, and committing are integrated in the UI. Personally, I like to have a terminal window open in Coda for git, but the integrated solution works reasonably well.

JohnBooty4• 12 years ago

Thank you for the reply! Now I'm going to give it another spin...

brador• 12 years ago

Sneaky pricing trick there. Coda 2 wasn't $99. It was $75 or possibly $50, due to a never ending discount.

andystannard2• 12 years ago

yeah I was thought the price sounded much higher than I remember.

lukifer3• 12 years ago

This was due to the lack of upgrade pricing in the App Store; they essentially gave everyone the upgrade price for a while. $99 was always the intended "retail price"; now that they've abandoned the App Store, I expect Coda 3 will have separate pricing for upgrading vs. buying new.

fiatpandas2• 12 years ago

I've used Coda for a few years, during which time I started using Sublime + wbond's FTP plugin. Coda is still crucial to my remote PHP freelance workflow. For remote work, it's a much more polished experience when dealing simultaneously with multiple active/live projects.

Sublime FTP's experience can improve slightly when using it in mirror mode, but in practice I've found issues with very slight time differences between my local computer and the remote computer, which can cause unnecessary or possibly dangerous syncing.

Can't really think of any Coda negatives other than lack of git integration. I generally just keep an SSH open to commit anything.

Edit: nvm, it does have git integration. I'll have to try it out.

swartkrans2• 12 years ago

FTP

Please do not use FTP, FTP sends everything over the wire in clear text, across the entire internet. You should not be using FTP for anything ever. Use SFTP, scp, HTTPS from the server, but not FTP.

fiatpandas2• 12 years ago

I don't use FTP. The plugin for sublime I was referring to is called Sublime SFTP. It supports SFTP, which I use for all my projects.

Check it out here: http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/sftp

neovive• 12 years ago

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I see Coda fitting in between the poweful IDE's produced by JetBrains (ItelliJ, WebStorm, PHPStorm, etc.) and text editors. I think one issue for Coda is that development workflows (especially web development) changed significantly since version 2 was released in 2012. Coda is still a very nice application if it fits in your workflow.

amykhar• 12 years ago

For my day to day work, I use PHPStorm and PyCharm. But, I've been working on a bunch of exercism.io problems in various languages, and figured I'd give Coda a shot for that. I ended up absolutely hating it. Couldn't get the split windows to work the way I liked, and I felt like I was fighting with the editor every step of the way. It's a shame, because it would have been a nice way to manage all the little exercise folders.

dennisbest2• 12 years ago

I used this years ago and just tried it out this version. I really wanted to like it. Sadly, it still lives in a world where we all use MySQL, SVN, and FTP. Git may be supported, but it's an afterthought. For $99, Panic should include a time machine back to 2004.

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