Glenn Greenwald keynote at Chaos Communication Congress [video]

They mentioned, just before this talk, that there are 6,000 people in the first room. edit: I guess I misunderstood, but it's still impressive that they filled the place up after just 2 years at this conference center :)

korvkorvkorv• 13 years ago

About 12 of us here in room G :P

PavlovsCat4• 13 years ago

Glenn Greenwald's talk is over now; loved the standing ovation that just didn't want to end.

iaskwhy• 13 years ago

Happened the same at the beginning, that was really cool.

PavlovsCat4• 13 years ago

To be honest I tuned in really late :) But I am sure looking forward to watching all 30c3 videos in full when they're edited and uploaded, they never disappoint. Best part of winter for me.

fragsworth• 13 years ago

The huge irony with these events is that they are used as primary recruiting grounds for spying agencies.

The same people who are learning how to hack government/corporate systems on their own are the ones who the intelligence community wants to hire most. The benefits are many-fold: You get an extremely high-quality employee, and you remove them from a scene where they are capable and encouraged to cause damage, and you remove the opportunity for an opposing government to hire them.

There's some amount of philosophical resistance that these folks would have towards working for the intelligence community, but how quickly can $150-200k/year change your philosophy?

rdl5• 13 years ago

Moderately competent security/developer/etc. people do not have to work for the government to make $150-200k/yr.

I personally have no problem working for the government in certain roles, and am actually proud of the stuff I did to help the medical/etc. people in Iraq/Afghanistan. There are plenty of civilian agencies who have missions I fully support -- keeping medical records, nuclear power plants, consumer financial records, etc. safe is totally legit. I'd even do it for GS-wages instead of the 3x more I can make in the private world.

Fuck spying, though.

aet2• 13 years ago

Fuck war, too? Right?

sentenza• 13 years ago

NO NO NO. This is what makes the CCC events different from events in the US. This is not a recruiting event. There are no banners visible of sponsoring companies (and the sponsoring that is done is almost exclusively in lent equipment). The entire congress is organized by volunteers.

And the vibe that the intelligence community is the enemy is essential to these events. Usually, people are on the lookout for "Schlapphüte" (some of which are usually present), with the intent to mock them.

sp3324• 13 years ago

Mods: can you change the title to make it clear the talk is over? Thanks.

Edit: or replace it with 3rd3's youtube link.

jagermo• 13 years ago

Missed it - is the keynote somewhere online on demand?

pavs• 13 years ago

You can "rewind" from youtube live stream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqk4ItPjU5g

jabiko• 13 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqk4ItPjU5g&t=6h30m30s

PavlovsCat4• 13 years ago

IIRC it usually takes until early next year for all the CCC videos to be online.

178• 13 years ago

Recordings will be uploaded to youtube.com/cccdevideos, in the meantime take this: http://30c3.ex23.de/saal1/30C3_-_5622_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312...

bitsteak• 13 years ago

Tough talk from someone who can't even be bothered to use PGP. There are lots of people doing real good out there, like Moxie Marlinspike with BitHub, the kickstarter audit of TrueCrypt, and work in the CAB forum and the W3C on SSL and browser security. Glenn is just a talking head at this point, someone who ferried a few hard drives from point A to point B. He shouldn't be respected as someone who knows squat about the subject matter.

sp3324• 13 years ago

He's a journalist, and he's doing a great job as a journalist. He never claimed to be an expert in crypto, but he knows more about the governments' abuses of power and the media's pandering than you do.

Did you hear the applause when he talked about PGP being very difficult to use? Everyone in the room agreed with him on that.

lawnchair_larry• 13 years ago

It's fine that you didn't watch the talk, but you shouldn't comment pretending that you did. I think you just wanted to take a shot at Greenwald. He made some interesting points about PGP and OTR. Both of which he uses now.

SimHacker• 13 years ago

We all get it that you think very highly of yourself, and belittling Glenn without actually having listened to his talk reinforces your feeling of superiority, but we don't care, so why don't you keep it to yourself?

AlexanderDhoore• 13 years ago

Another amazing talk from CCC (2011):

"Cory Doctorow: The coming war on general computation" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqkU1y0AYc

That one really opened my eyes.

salient• 13 years ago

That was a great one. So was this by Jacob Appelbaum from last year, where he was already saying (pre-Snowden) that the chief of NSA is probably the most powerful man on the planet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mnuofn_DXw

PavlovsCat4• 13 years ago

Also from last year's 29c3:

Jesselyn Radack, Thomas Drake & William Binney, "Enemies of the State: What Happens When Telling the Truth about Secret US Government Power Becomes a Crime": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDM3MqHln8U

w_t_payne• 13 years ago

I just watched the Cory Doctorow talk. He has a really interesting hypothesis. It is a bit scary if true, so I am not too sure I want to believe it, or would rather sit here with my fingers in my ears shouting "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU". Yup, I think I'll do that for a while.

pdkl95• 13 years ago

while it was given at google instead of CCC, the follow-up talk he gave a year later is even more important:

Cory Doctorow: "The Coming Civil War over General-purpose Computing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbYXBJOFgeI

This talk assumes we have won the War On General Computation (which seems likely, if we give it enough time. The tech used to win that war (or, "the tech society has to learn to live with, because it's not going away") will bring up some nasty sociological questions as it gets applied to other areas.

The current NSA mess is probably the first skirmish in that Civil War. It gets even nastier when you start adding in, say, medical devices:

* Can the NSA spy on the signal to your cochlear implant?

* What about if it was paid for by an insurance company or a bank, and you haven't paid it off yet - can that company give permission like AT&T does with phone records?

* What about when some company finally gets the "clever" idea to subsidize the hearing-aids so the poor have access to them - if they agree to listen to an advert every hour that you can't shut off.

* Oh, wait, you break the contract by figuring some technical way around the ads? Does that mean the bank can "repo" your hearing?

No great answers to these questions, unfortunately, but I agree with Doctorow that we need to start finding those answers NOW, because the questions are quickly becoming reality.

miguelrochefort• 13 years ago

Brain-washing at its best.

It's like they don't realize how silly and contradictory the argument for privacy is. Defending privacy by fighting secrecy? Come on.

In 20 years, people will look back at this and realize how blind they were.

Sheeps be clappin'.

lispm• 13 years ago

I was there. It was a dense talk. Worth to watch.

aluhut• 13 years ago

Recorded streams from the congress can be found here: http://wtf1.muling.lu/

Please keep seeding.

Glenn Greenwald keynote at Chaos Communication Congress [video]

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