U.S. Agencies to say Bitcoins Offer Legitimate Benefits

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-18/u-s-agencies-to-say-bitcoins-offer-legitimate-benefits.html

by a3voices • 13 years ago

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spoiledtechie• 13 years ago

What's the best and easiest exchange to get into? Lets just say to start buying bitcoins?

also, what's the best API to use to start charging my customers with bitcoins?

both serious questions.

maaku3• 13 years ago

Easiest, coinbase. Best, maybe bitstamp.

mtgx• 13 years ago

There's Bitpay, too.

a3voices• 13 years ago

What's the best and easiest exchange to get into? Lets just say to start buying bitcoins?

I recommend Coinbase. It's what I use personally. Bitstamp is also good I heard, and has the most volume for people in the U.S. Btc-e.com has a really good community, but it seems more difficult to transfer money into.

also, what's the best API to use to start charging my customers with bitcoins?

Bitpay is the best, I believe, although I have no experience with it. It's also received VC from Peter Thiel.

jordanbaucke2• 13 years ago

I'd recommend "Bitfinex" https://bitfinex.com/?refcode=kwr9f922HS, as they offer both sides of the market (Long and short) as well as margin / leveraged trading and routing to BitStamp (probably the most liquid at this time). Full disclosure, I'm an active trader and market-maker there. I believe their fees are amongst the best in the industry for active traders and they are accessible via USD Wire-transfers in the SWIFT network.

ars_technician• 13 years ago

?refcode=kwr9f922HS

Quite tasteful good sir.

philfreo• 13 years ago

Coinbase.com is by far the easiest in my opinion (and is a YC company). Unlike MtGox.com (originally the most popular) the site is fast, stable, well designed, and can connect directly with your US bank account. They've also got a set of merchant tools and APIs.

Since we're throwing out referral links here apparently, this link will give you and I both $5 in BTC:

https://coinbase.com/?r=4fedfb2d6cbd3b0003000845&utm_campaig...

ics• 13 years ago

this link will give you and I both $5 in BTC

If you buy or sell at least 1BTC on their platform. Since that sets the mark at, oh about $500 now, ... ;)

Edit: ...or $600.

pmorici• 13 years ago

I'll second Coinbase as the hands down best choice for US merchants looking to sell (you get your first million in sales transaction fee free) and US citizens looking to buy coins (dead simple instant identity verification and linked directly to your bank account no shady third party money transmitters or wire transfers required).

There is one caveat. Coinbase isn't a real exchange in the sense that you can't buy and sell in real time. If you are looking to day trade and make money off short term price fluctuations you should use something like bitstamp.net which will execute your trades in real time instead of having to wait 3-5 days for them to settle.

epsylon• 13 years ago

Unfortunately coinbase is US-only.

quantumpotato_• 13 years ago

https://coinvoice.com promises you can invoice in USD and receive BTC. Reverse of bitpay. Have registered, have not used.

VMG• 13 years ago

Localbitcoins.com (cash transfer) can be less complicated than many alternatives

coryfklein• 13 years ago

I'll second this. I bought some BitCoin on Coinbase and the coins didn't show up until 7 days later. While I was waiting for them to arrive, I used LocalBitcoins to drop off $100 at a bank one block away and the coins were in my wallet 10 minutes later. LocalBitcoins was definitely much easier to use for me.

corford• 13 years ago

A friend of mine setup a bitstamp.net account last week and it was fairly quick and easy. Took just under 3 days from clicking signup and sending over ID docs to being able to trade.

epaga• 13 years ago

One more thing to add in: If you're in Germany (and are not an American citizen), I highly recommend bitcoin.de for buying/selling bitcoins. Super smooth, very legit, plus they are working with a real bank. https://www.bitcoin.de/de/r/wttmmm (disclosure: referral URL)

maaku3• 13 years ago

Did I miss something? Bernanke's comment basically boils down to "no comment", phrased in the polite speech Senate committee hearings. What's the news here?

kine• 13 years ago

The news is that the government isn't likely going to throw a shitfit and freak out over bitcoin. Because it's money related, and they can tax and regulate some piece of the transaction.

Doesn't really need to be said that Wall Street, Washington, and Lobbyists are all in bed together. Wall Street types and some Valley people have clearly told influential politicians in this that they should be cool.

Bitcoin gets another serious mark in the de-risk column

maaku3• 13 years ago

The Fed is not the government (its a private bank btw), and Bernanke's comments do not apply to agencies for which virtual currencies are their jurisdiction.

dualogy2• 13 years ago

Bernanke's comment basically boils down to "no comment", phrased in the polite speech Senate committee hearings

Genuinely wondering.. isn't that always the case no matter the question?

AshleysBrain• 13 years ago

Isn't "we have no plans to regulate bitcoin" just the least embarrassing thing they can say between that and "it is not actually possible for us to regulate bitcoin"?

oleganza• 13 years ago

They can regulate the hell out of merchants and exchanges, if they want. (And there's a lot of restrictions already: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/11/15/bitcoin-c...)

But I guess there's already a critical mass of very motivated and interested people on Wall st. who send a signal to legislators (whom they own) about importance of Bitcoin. If U.S. tries to shut down Bitcoin activity, it won't affect Asia, and Wall St. will have hard time going to that market. Instead, it's better if they can reap the benefits where they own infrastructure already.

retube• 13 years ago

No. Of course it can be regulated. Indeed it could be flat out made illegal. Just because you can't physically stop people from doing stuff doesn't mean a law can't (or shouldn't) be enacted.

Having a "no murder" law in no ways stops people from comitting murder.

As pointed out in the comment below you can certainly make it difficult to participate in the market - e.g making it illegal for companies to provide clearing into fiat currency. E.g in the UK right now altho there isn't currently a law no UK banks will provide deposit or clearing facilities for exchanges or market places for fear of reputational damage, e.g being at risk of accusuations of faciliating crime or terrorism financing. (Barclays have recently ended banking facilities with several hundred regular currency exchanges for exactly this reason - including a Somalian remittance service which has been in the news a bit [1])

1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24553148

YokoZar• 13 years ago

I would assert that there has been at least one murder prevented by the law against murder.

unreal37• 13 years ago

The Internet itself is pretty regulated and monitored already.

Fuxy• 13 years ago

I'm saddened that legislation in the UK is so awful that it's virtually impossible to run a legitimate bit-coin business.

This is going to come back to hurt the UK economy in the end.

bfell• 13 years ago

There seems to be a common fallacy that is propagated by media that bitcoin is untraceable. A visit to blockchain.info pretty easily dispels this myth. Bitcoin is anonymous (in the same way that cash is) but it is not untraceable. If money being exchanged to/from bitcoin is coupled with the same money transfer regulations as standard currency it ends up being more traceable than standard currency because there is a log of all transactions. This is likely why there won't be much resistance to bitcoin from regulators as long as they can control the endpoints.

Aqueous• 13 years ago

Yes, the opportunities for forensic analysis on BitCoin are much greater than in a traditional currency where money can disappear into the void and re-enter the economy somewhere else without any word on what happened in between. In some ways I wonder if criminals of the future won't prefer the dollar to conduct their illegal activity.

simplemath• 13 years ago

Physically moving dollars is the hard part of conducting black market business in dollars.

Obscuring a wallet address is far easier than physically smuggling cash.

k2enemy• 13 years ago

Has there been any clarification on the tax treatment of gains from trading Bitcoins? If I bought at $100 and sold at $300 is the $200 gain treated as income or capital gains?

TheCoelacanth• 13 years ago

Well, the SEC said that bitcoins "likely would be securities and therefore subject to our regulation", which would seem to indicate that it would be considered capital gains, rather than income. It's too early to know for sure, though.

pa5tabear2• 13 years ago

Is BitCoin as secure as conventional currencies?

I've seen a good number of articles about wallets being stolen or exchanges being compromised but I don't know enough to tell if it's negligent behavior by the user/owner.

walden42• 13 years ago

Negligent behavior. Bitcoin implement bank-level security, so anything stolen is negligent behavior. The vast majority of articles about wallets being stolen is when bitcoins were held in a third party online wallet, which was hacked. Keeping bitcoins in someone else's wallet defeats the idea of decentralization and owning your own money.

As for whether it's as secure as conventional currency, even more so: no one else has access to your money, unlike a bank account. In other words, no one can withdraw your bitcoins without you explicitly sending them.

pa5tabear2• 13 years ago

Would it pass the Grandma test?

What would it take to trick Grandma into giving a person/program access to her Bitcoin wallet?

I assume she would just need to reveal her password to a program and from there it could steal her wallet?

U.S. Agencies to say Bitcoins Offer Legitimate Benefits

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