The Tie is Back

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/fashion/11CODES.html?ei=5070&em=&en=0866acc43f0e321e&ex=1192334400&pagewanted=all

by pg • 19 years ago

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gibsonf12• 19 years ago

This almost looks like it's not a PR piece for Men's Warehouse.

pg3• 19 years ago

This time the client is the necktie trade association. Just follow the quotes: user, expert, expert, client.

gibsonf12• 19 years ago

I see now - thanks. They must have paid a lot for this placement. I personally have seen 0 younger artsy people wearing ties in SF.

daniel-cussen2• 19 years ago

How do I go about following the quotes?

ceesai• 19 years ago

Infomercials use similar temporal structures, but they are forced to use different endings because the whole thing is framed as something offered by the client. So they use the Client offering vast reduction ending. User, Expert, Expert, Client Discount! These methods surely have evolved to dovetail with psychological biases: New information leads to a tonic level of skepticism, which should be assuaged soon by expert assurance before it coagulates into general aversion for the product. Once this has been achieved, you can plug a specific product meeting this newly created cognitive shelf-space for a want.

reidman• 19 years ago

Lucky for us, Out just became the new Back!

vegashacker• 19 years ago

Context: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

electric2• 19 years ago

I agree that the tie is back. I wear a tie to my lab everyday. Sometimes it gets in the way as I fiddle with the calibration knobs on my oscilloscope, but people take my research findings a lot more seriously these days as a result of it.

chaostheory• 19 years ago

is this the tie that you're wearing:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats-ties/9352/

electric2• 19 years ago

That's a little too binary for my liking. I wear the analog variety.

edw5192• 19 years ago

What? Startup hackers following the herds and their fashion fads? Next thing you know, they'll expect all of us to go out and get jobs too, just like everyone else.

Moo.

eposts2• 19 years ago

Are you being sarcastic? You need to read PGs essay "The Submarine" to put this in context.

edw5192• 19 years ago

Are you being sarcastic about my being sarcastic?

naivehs• 19 years ago

I love zipper ties.

http://www.absoluteties.com/whisziticlhe.html

eposts2• 19 years ago

Last time the "Tie was back": http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE5DB163AF...

ardit333• 19 years ago

ok, people, we have to admit, the average startup guys are bunch of fugly mofos.

We totally lack fashion sense, beauty (gym is just a disctraction), etc... etc...

Unfortunately, we are cursed of working and being in a very male oriented industry, in which the very few females we get to interact, are not good looking at all.

oh, well.....

DaniFong3• 19 years ago

In the wrong light, that comment could be seen as quite insulting.

ardit333• 19 years ago

There is nothing insulting. I am saying the truth. Reality is not always pretty. Go to any techie party, and you will see what I am talking about. Too bad that people just neg. for the fun of it.

yyy• 19 years ago

I love The Submarine, it's my favorite pg essay

nailer3• 19 years ago

So many workplaces have relaxed dress for men, the best position to be in is where you don't have to wear a tie to work is to wear one.

You stand out, will be socially tested by your peers for doing so, and will hopefully withstand these tests, and gain social value.

Your ideas will also be noticed more, simply because you are noticed more.

ereldon2• 19 years ago

have you actually worn a tie to work to be different? did it work for you?

nailer3• 19 years ago

Yes. Silly people think you're non technical, but they get over it pretty quickly (I spent four years of my life walking into rooms of people twice my age to tell them about Linux, I'm used to having to prove my merit). Managerial folks think you're somehow different to your colleagues, and if you're congruent with it - ie, you let your ideas be known when most of your colleagues would rather have a quiet grumble, and say no when you mean it, they'll respect you more often. I've had a continual stream of project managers recommending me for architecture jobs to my superiors, asking for me for other projects, and a whole bunch of beer couriered to me as a work expense.

It's not how you dress that makes you, but how you are. Dressing well, however, is a good way to show people that - provided you back it up with something real.

Alex3917• 19 years ago

To quote Wikipedia:

"The use of coloured and patterned neckties indicating the wearer's membership in a club, military regiment, school, et cetera, dates only from late-nineteenth century England. The first definite occurrence was in 1880, when Exeter College, Oxford rowers took the College-colour ribbons from their straw boaters and wore them as neckties (knotted four-in-hand), and then went on to order a proper set of ties in the same colours, thus creating the first example of a college necktie."

Ties are only out until you aren't allowed to wear one.

nailer3• 19 years ago

19th Century England? That's terrible.

Cravattes are much older than that. Croatian mercenaries used by Louis (I think XV) used to wear red garments around their necks. The mercenaries had a reputation as being fantastic soldiers, and French men copied the military trend with what they called a 'Cravatte' derived from 'Croat'.

(My girlfriend's in the fashion industry - she works at an Australian lingerie label now but used to work at Aqua Scutum)

ereldon2• 19 years ago

i don't think this article is about PR gaming reporters, even though PR sadly does set the agenda with reporters sometimes.

my read of the article is that some hipster NYT reporter's narrow hipster-centric view of the world made it through the NYT editorial filter. why? because the reporter was no doubt influenced by their hipster friends in ny/la who were wearing this crap.

beyond the reporter, the NYT prides itself in its NY bias, whether its fashion or politics or whatever else. they love this local fashion hype, because its local and strengthens the paper's own image as a part of the local scene. that's most likely why some aging NYT editor let this BS through.

all that said, i'm pretty sure we can all agree that the dudes in those NYT pictures looked really, really annoying. punchable, even.

jamesbritt• 19 years ago

Anything that helps makes hipsters identifiable at a distance is a Good Thing.

My favorite quote:

"ThereaEURXs no question that there has been a dramatic increase among younger guys, who are age 18 to 34, expressing themselves by dressing up", as said by Some Important Fashion Person.

I'm pretty sure I read or hear that exact line every 3 years.

BTW, is 33 still in the ballpark range for the "younger guys" category?

daniel-cussen2• 19 years ago

I just saw a guy in my dorm print this article out and post it outside his room. We live in SV.

auferstehung• 19 years ago

Ties are an abomination. They are the apex of everything that is wrong with western civilization; the culmination of fluff utterly drained of whatever utility they once may have had. Ties are the peacock feather of man. OSHA should ban them as an occupational hazard. An MSDS should be required to be provided with each tie sale.

It is a little known fact that the B-Ark contained all the neckties from Golgafrincham in additiion to the hairdressers, telephone sanitizers and others. The Golgafrincham neckties were initially considered as the form of legal tender on prehistoric Earth, however, it was discovered that it was too difficult to tie a proper Full Windsor with a leaf.

"People with ropes around their necks don't always hang."

ivankirigin• 19 years ago

Here is how to wear a tie: don't button your top button of your shirt, and don't tighten the tie to your neck.

Many tie wearers cut off circulation to their heads to a certain degree. Bad idea.

Also, ties can be designed really well. I have a few that are made from older ties with nice high-contrast silk-screened patterns.

Given how good they can look as an accessory, and how impressed many people are with them, they should be worn more often.

khoerling• 19 years ago

Skinny ties are becoming en vogue.

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