Bootstrapping Technology For Eight Bucks a Day

http://interfacelab.com/bootstrapping-technology-for-eight-bucks-a-day/

by jawngee • 17 years ago

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aditya2• 17 years ago

Love the price breakdown, jg!

I'd agree with everything except:

1) Basecamp -> Google Docs (I know you said this...)

2) Pivotal Tracker (honestly the worst UI I've ever seen) -> Lighthouse (or Github Issues if you're really cheap)

3) Slicehost -> Linode (but I'm probably biased and I run Rails)

4) Probably not get a CDN up front.

5) Would add Balsamiq Mockups to the list of things to get - true gamechanger

jawngee2• 17 years ago

Thanks man.

The thing about Slicehost, and I just had this convo on #startups, is that they can move you to metal when you get too big for your britches. Also, Linode's biggest box is 2G, which is a serious upper limit.

I know you're a mac guy, but you should look at Axure for prototyping. It's ill as all get out.

lsc3• 17 years ago

when you get much above 2gb, you should seriously start thinking about hardware. Especially at current market prices for a VPS, it's often cheaper to buy and host your own hardware once you get above the 2gb-4gb range. A core2duo 1u with 8GB ram? around $500-$600 for the hardware. Hosting for said 1u? as low as $50/month.

davidw• 17 years ago

If you're targeting cheap, then Linode is a better bet - you get more for your money. There are plenty of options when you get bigger, but if you really need to save, then deal with getting big when it happens, rather than spend money on 64 bit pointers.

qhoxie• 17 years ago

I've worked quite a bit with both LH and Tracker and I can easily say that the latter is far superior, especially in terms of the UI. It takes a bit of getting used to, but once you have your feet wet it is quite smooth.

What makes it the worst UI you've ever seen?

aditya2• 17 years ago

The problem with Tracker is that it tries to be a lot more than what it really is, a ticket tracking system. Totally screwing up the do one thing, and do it well idea.

Here's my UI issues: Dense information display, MASSIVE over-use of AJAX (you hit start on a story, it just disappears to god knows where, the UI cues just aren't there), crashes Safari like crazy (probably because of all the JS in the page), every story has a billion actions you can take with it, most of them being features you will never use when interacting with the story.

Overall, I have no idea why people have been pushing Tracker, to me it is ugly and unusable. Even Trac is better. Just having lots of AJAX and rounded corners doesn't mean you have a far superior product or UI.

The only thing that made PT usable was tpope's pickler gem, and only because it is a CLI to PT.

andr2• 17 years ago

Mosso offers S3-like storage with free CDN, and Slicehost is now part of the Mosso family, so it's kosher.

uggedal• 17 years ago

I have found Sifter (http://sifterapp.com/) to be superior UI wise compared to both Pivotal Tracker and Lighthouse.

harpastum• 17 years ago

A great idea while you're getting your site off the ground is to use Nearly Free Speech [1] as your host. While it's not the best deal for a busy site, a low-traffic site costs $1/GB transfer, with no bottom limit. I'd also suggest using something like OddCMS [2] that serves static content, so you don't have to spend money on a database.

Obviously, using these instead of Slicehost and MySQL (or similar technologies) will restrict what you can do with your server, but when you're really shooting for low price, they can't be beat. I've paid two cents (yes, cents) for the last two weeks of hosting my software company's website [3] (~500 views/day).

[1]http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/

[2]http://www.oddcms.org

[3]http://www.tranquilapps.com/

lsc3• 17 years ago

yes. Shared hosting instead of a VPS will save you quite a lot of money, if you can do what you need to do on shared hosting. Heck, I'm one of the cheapest VPS providers around and even I can't compete with a shared hosting setup.

cjbos• 17 years ago

I've used Surreal CMS for sites that don't really need a DB as well, it works well, and the service I got when I had a issue was very good.

http://surrealcms.com/

chacha102• 17 years ago

Being able to make a startup for really cheap is definitely good for younger people who are just starting off in the world, as well as the business industry.

I'd love to see a startup that combines all of this into one simple place.

lsc3• 17 years ago

really? see, I think having your DNS hosted separately from your other stuff is _essential_ - so long as you control your dns and you have good backups, you can always migrate to a new provider.

patio11• 17 years ago

If you're not in an industry which requires nation-state level scaling, you can get all of the above for close to eight bucks a month. While I wouldn't go back to shared hosting (doesn't play well with Rails, which I migrated to in year two), I did run my business on it for a year and change without major incident.

corecirculator• 17 years ago

can you pls give the (appx) breakdown similar to what's given in the article? thanks in advance.

andr2• 17 years ago

Yeah, it's quite cheap. You just forgot rent, food, utilities (including a broadband connection) and the depreciation costs of your laptop :)

eru• 17 years ago

You can mitigate the last by buying an old laptop.

ivankirigin• 17 years ago

Indeed. I know very few people trying to bootstrap that think anything but "payroll" matters for costs. The best cases are single people accustomed to living cheaply from grad school & undergrad. Even in those cases, just making ends meet will cost at least an order of magnitude more than any reasonable hosting configuration.

If you are working on a side project with a legit job, than the cost of the effort is in the noise for sure.

jawngee2• 17 years ago

The title specifically said technology ;P

Bootstrapping Technology For Eight Bucks a Day

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