OS X emulation layer for Linux

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by frozenport • 14 years ago

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japhyr• 14 years ago

Can someone with a better understanding of this project Summarize it's goals? For example, would I be able to run Xcode on a Linux machine using this project when it is mature?

0x0• 14 years ago

I think it's the same idea that Wine has for win32 applications, but for OS X applications instead: Provide a binary executable loader and an implementation of all the standard frameworks and libraries, so you can run unmodified mac apps on x86/x64-based Linux.

Edit:

For your Xcode example, in short, yes. (Although - that's probably one of the most difficult apps of them all to bring up, since it integrates and depends on iTunes, mobiledevice/mobilesupport libraries, debugger tools etc.)

zkirill• 14 years ago

Would be interesting to see if this could be used to integrate XCode Unit Testing into Arcanist/Phabricator running on a Linux machine.

sneak4• 14 years ago

Today you can run hackintosh osx in a vm, ssh to it, and use xcodebuild.

Obviously it's more overhead but it functions today.

i3864• 14 years ago

Except that you violate the EULA. I wouldn't recommend this in a commercial environment.

davidcuddeback2• 14 years ago

I'm curious which set of hackintosh instructions you used. I tried a long time ago to install Snow Leopard on a VirtualBox VM using iBoot, but I couldn't get iBoot to work correctly on the VM. I'd love to have an OSX VM for browser testing and CI.

bengl3rt• 14 years ago

This is of great interest to me because I've always wanted to run this...

http://cycling74.com/whatismax/

On one of these:

http://www.museresearch.com/products/receptor-vip.php

Designing live performance environments in Max is awesome, but laptops just are not designed for the rigors of the road. They are delicate creatures that stand in awkwardly, at best, for musical instruments. Max running on the Receptor would be incredible, and hopefully not too challenging considering the environment is largely self-contained with very few external dependencies.

stephencanon• 14 years ago

What features does pd not have that you need? (Alternatively, if you really do need max/msp, for the price of the receptor you could buy a pair of mac minis and have redundancy if one of them dies on the road -- obviously the receptor isn't just a computer, but laptops aren't the only alternative).

retroafroman• 14 years ago

Isn't PureData (http://puredata.info/) the open source equivalent, available to run native on Linux, and fairly feature compatible?

dsl• 14 years ago

Seeings as the Receptor is rack mount, I assume you have a rolling roadie case you're wanting to keep it in.

This is what you are looking for: http://www.powermax.com/parts/code/PM_CU_XS

Hello71• 14 years ago

"No offense intended", but how is this different from any of the <n> different other OSX emulators?

frozenport2• 14 years ago

Do you know of any?

dbecker2• 14 years ago

Perhaps he is referring to one of the Hackintosh projects that emulate Apple hardware so you can run OS X on non-Apple hardware.

Though that seems transparently different to me than this project.

orionblastar8• 14 years ago

PearPC?

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/about.html

Mac OS X PowerPC emulation is spotty at best.

Mac On Linux? http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/

Runs the PowerPC Mac OS X on PowerPC Linux systems.

Most that I know of aren't emulators but virtual machines for the PowerMac/CHRP platform that happen to run the PowerPC Mac OS X on them.

There would be more I am sure, and for Intel Macs, but Apple can just threaten lawsuits to discourage more of it. If the ability to run Mac OS X apps on other platforms exists, Apple stands to lose a lot of money on hardware sales. The Hackintosh market, for example uses cheap PC hardware to run Mac OS X on a non-Apple branded computer.

Tloewald• 14 years ago

Does quoting the phrase indicate irony or imsincerity. And, um, what OSX emulators?

ChrisClark• 14 years ago

There are no other ones...

orionblastar8• 14 years ago

The only thing that comes close is GNUStep: http://www.gnustep.org/

It won't run native OS X code, but you can compile code with Objective-C or other languages to run on GNUStep between Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X. It is based on NextStep, or OpenStep that Steve Jobs had at Next before Apple bought them out and turned it into Mac OS X.

nobleach6• 14 years ago

The only Mac emulator capable of running OSX is PearPC which actually runs faster under Wine than it does natively.

It STILL is in the very early alpha stage and may actually have been abandoned.

rednukleus2• 14 years ago

What is the purpose of this, other than just to see if it can be done? I can't think of any software that would be worthwhile emulating that doesn't already have a Linux or Windows version (which is covered by Wine), other than xcode.

daeken3• 14 years ago

Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Garageband, Voodoopad, etc.

zerd• 14 years ago

Notational Velocity, Adium, Textmate, Omnifocus, Bubble trouble, ...

dbecker2• 14 years ago

Does Linux have something like Alfred?

I run a Linux desktop and a Mac laptop. Alfred is the biggest reason I enjoy my OS X computer more. Huge thanks to anyone who can suggest a Linux alternative.

lucian1900• 14 years ago

Gnome Do, Unity dash, KDE launcher, ...

depa• 14 years ago

Yes we do. It's called Synapse and it's actually pretty similar.

https://launchpad.net/~synapse-core/+archive/ppa

abhinand• 14 years ago

I've been using kupfer for a while now. You should try it out.

pooriaazimi• 14 years ago

From my /Application folder (the italic ones are vital to my workflow): AirServer/AirParrot, Charles, Coda, CodeBox, Day One, Kaleidoscope, Keynote, Messages/FaceTime, MindNode Pro, Mou, Numbers, OmniFocus, OmniPlan, OmniGraffle Professional, Opacity, QuickSilver, SourceTree, TextMate, Transmit, VoodooPad, Xcode (and InterfaceBuilder and Instruments)

Most of them have Windows/Linux equivalents, but for me aren't nearly as good as Mac versions (your mileage certainly varies).

anandpdoshi• 14 years ago

pixelmator!

sneak4• 14 years ago

Final Cut Pro

pretoriusB2• 14 years ago

>What is the purpose of this, other than just to see if it can be done? I can't think of any software that would be worthwhile emulating that doesn't already have a Linux or Windows version (which is covered by Wine), other than xcode.

It's not about having a "Linux or Windows version", it's about how good OS X's version is. For some people, there are NO alternatives.

delinka2• 14 years ago

"For some people, there are NO alternatives."

I would suggest to these people: get a Mac. If you're seriously fretting over having no alternatives, then you should be getting the Real Thing. Is it really worth trying to "stick to the man" or waste time trying to deal with all the inevitable bugs when running on a non-native platform?

If you seriously want to spend a couple hundred bucks for a netbook to run Linux and this OS X emulation layer, you're not going to get any serious work done for A) slowness and B) bugs. You'll have a cool toy, you can stick your tongue out at Apple, but you're not going to be designing, developing and compiling that Next Big Multimillion Dollar iOS Game.

Hell, even Mr. Linux himself (you know, that Torvalds dude) uses a MacBook Air. If he wants to run OS X, he can just dual boot.

saurik• 14 years ago

A) This was discussed by a bunch of people already two weeks ago.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4893022

B) Apparently this is a better-marketed expansion of the long-established maloader, which already works for many of the use cases that people bring up when they hear about this project (such as running parts of Xcode).

orionblastar8• 14 years ago

Well this OS X emulation layer is not ready for prime time yet. Don't expect it to run 100% of your Mac OS X apps.

I'd really rather see more projects that focus on cross compiling XCode source code on Linux, so that companies can take their OS X software apps and cross compile them for Linux with little to no changes in the source code. I'd much rather trust native Linux code than OS X emulated code.

I'd also like to see some 'byteswap' projects that take the machine language of OS X apps and convert them to Linux format by converting each API or system interrupt, etc from OS X to Linux for apps that don't have the source code anymore.

Also anyone remember the Apple Darwin Project? I guess it stopped releasing binary install ISOS and instead releases the source code. You got the core of OS X right there, and it would be a good place to start to see the migration from Darwin to Linux right there.

akurilin4• 14 years ago

It would be certainly amazing to be able to develop iOS apps on Linux, but I doubt Apple will entertain the idea.

orionblastar8• 14 years ago

Develop iOS apps on Linux, run iOS apps on Linux, or both?

I think Apple would restrict development requirements in the App Store to ban iOS apps created with a Non-Apple compiler on a Non-Apple platform just like they banned Adobe Flash and iOS apps made with Flash.

Not only that but Apple would sue anyone who made an environment to run iOS apps on a non-Apple operating system.

I kind of have a Love-Hate relationship with Apple because of that. I feel that iOS apps should be made on any platform and be allowed to run on any platform. Android is the complete opposite of iOS/Apple, any platform and any language can develop Android apps, you can choose more than just one store to buy apps from, and there is this Bluestack app http://bluestacks.com/ that runs Android apps on Windows and there is a beta for Mac OS X IIRC. Not only that but there is an Android for PC OS: http://www.android-x86.org/download

primitur4• 14 years ago

If you want to develop apps for iOS on Linux, use something like MOAI or Love2D, or COCOS2D, and so on .. I use Linux as my main development machine, and regularly deploy directly to Android and iOS devices from this very seat. Of course, it helps that I'm using cross platform tools designed just for this task, but in case you didn't know it - its very possible to use Linux to develop for all Mobile platforms. The tools are out there ..

orionblastar8• 14 years ago

Oh BTW DAE remember ARDI's Executor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_%28software%29

It is not OS X, but the Classic Macintosh System translated on the fly to native code. Because it didn't get enough funding, and lack of interest, and very few buyers it sort of went DOA. I am sure if they had enough funding they could have modified it to OS X translation. Maybe someone should help them do a Kickstarter project?

nobleach6• 14 years ago

I remember it well. I still remember the Webcrawler/Yahoo/Altavista search that took me to it. I just had this inkling that it was something that HAD to exist. Sure enough, it did. And the demo version was awesome. Even more awesome was the clean room techniques they used to develop it.

bane• 14 years ago

I believe it's open source now.

daeken3• 14 years ago

Having worked on a translation layer for a large API (my project Alky converted Windows games to run on Linux and OS X), building something like this solo is just asking for pain. An open source project with solid direction is much more likely to end well. Also, Executor really couldn't be changed to support OS X; totally different architecture, no processor emulation, etc.

At the end of the day, it's really just API translation; not a technically difficult project, just an incredibly intensive one.

orionblastar8• 14 years ago

How does ARDI Executor compare to the Mac OS X emulation in this linked article? Are they on the right path, or does Executor do things differently?

frozenport2• 14 years ago

Not sure what you mean. It was a 68k emulator that implemented part of the old mac rom. Not sure how this helps with PowerPC or Intel OS X.

orionblastar8• 14 years ago

Well it is an example of emulating the old Classic 68K Mac and running software apps for that platform.

I felt it is related to the OS X emulation effort, they'd just have to add in a PowerPC emulation and then do the Macintosh system ROM a bit to run Mac OS X code, potentially.

I thought it might be of use to those looking to run old 68K Mac apps.

bobowzki• 14 years ago

The only thing I'm really missing on linux is xcode.

OS X emulation layer for Linux

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