Show HN: A Url Permanence Service

by dRocking • 14 years ago

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dRocking5• 14 years ago

It's pretty quick and dirty... purl.ly links will detect a 404 at the destination and redirect you to the google cache instead. Works great if that page is in the google cache, but it may not be.

I'll get around to caching the full content of the destinations at time of purl.ly creation next, and serve that if google is missing it.

detectify• 14 years ago

Tried the service and got two errors first,

I cannot add a URL that does not have "http" I cannot type a URL that has "https"

Would be nice to be able to add https adresses and add them in any form.

Also an idea, make it as a web browser plugin so I can change the url in the brower and add it to my link library. Then it's even better. I don't like detours.

Question, what happen if I prul.ly a Url once then the content changes and I want to save the new content as well (Different content, same url)?

Anyway, I really like the concept, keep going!

Annelie @detectify

Foomandoonian2• 14 years ago

Interesting choice to use a Libyan domain for a service like this.

chinmoy• 14 years ago

How is using a Libyan domain interesting here? Bit.ly is doing it.

Foomandoonian2• 14 years ago

Who? Bitly.com?

Perhaps Libya is as reliable as anywhere else in the world - it's all a matter of perspective. Ask The Pirate Bay guys how confident they would be using a .com. Still, the idea of putting a service that offers 'permanence' on a domain so far out of reach seems like a bad idea to me.

ptgloden• 14 years ago

"The Libyan governing authority for .ly domains, NIC.ly, explained this week that domains that run afoul of the country's 'morality' laws are being taken offline"

http://arstechnica.com/business/2010/10/libya-beginning-to-p...

Hello71• 14 years ago

So it's basically WebCite.

secure• 14 years ago

Sounds cool, but only as long as purl.ly itself is up. We’ve seen what happens with single point of failure services like this when twitter’s link shortener t.co was down.

Tylui• 14 years ago

Actually, if you notice, the purl.ly link has the original link after it. Even if purl.ly goes down, there's at least SOME reference to be tracked down. Relatively graceful, especially when compared to a WebCite link: http://www.webcitation.org/5IfzstWm1

level09• 14 years ago

looks similar to what archive.org is doing, except that the later saves complete websites recursively ..

TazeTSchnitzel3• 14 years ago

Looks like not many people are actually using it:

http://purl.ly/purl/index

dRocking5• 14 years ago

It launched with this Show HN...

TazeTSchnitzel3• 14 years ago

Fair enough, I'm just surprised there's so few links. Looks like most people that have seen it haven't even tried it...

antirez• 14 years ago

This is a good idea in theory, but not if in form of a company. This would require something like a consortium where Google, Microsoft, Twitter, Facebook, ... and a few more federates to create a service paying for the bill and with the intention to take it up for the future as long as possible.

TazeTSchnitzel3• 14 years ago

Plus there's already a service that does the same thing, is free, and is heavily relied upon, WebCite.

anonymouz• 14 years ago

There's also the DOI system that mostly solves this problem for more permanent material ( research articles).

wut42• 14 years ago

There is already http://purl.org

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_Uniform_Resource_Loc... also, this is a "protocol"

oh_sigh• 14 years ago

Infinite loops: http://purl.ly/tinyurl.com/qui3na

purly -> tinyurl -> baconized purly

diminish• 14 years ago

and here a 'not found' message, though created. http://purl.ly/news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pg

shardling• 14 years ago

Is having a Libya based domain name really the best way to ensure permanent URL structure?

tingletech2• 14 years ago

You could use http://purl.org which has been around since the 90s.

buro9• 14 years ago

How do you resolve offering a permanent URL for something whilst also complying with DMCA takedowns for copyright materials when the end service may have removed the content but you continue to publish it?

benologist• 14 years ago

I don't like the redirect page, it's a large and heavy page with a forced delay and what looks like placeholders for a ton of ads.

It might be better packaged as something blogs and forums can automagically implement for a fee instead of trying to make money off ads.

tingletech2• 14 years ago

If you have an interested in permanent identifiers, you might also be interested the archival resource key standard https://wiki.ucop.edu/display/Curation/ARK and the EZID service http://n2t.net/ezid/ . Disclaimer, I work at the same digital library where the standard and the service are developed and maintained.

arb99• 14 years ago

seems that some urls with a query string give an error

eg make a purl for http://www.reddit.com/top/?sort=top&t=hour which generates http://purl.ly/www.reddit.com/top/?sort=top&t=hour which gives a 404

NanoWar• 14 years ago

Seems that cats are involved?

vampirical• 14 years ago

I did something similar as a weekend project, haven't checked-up on it in a while but it seems to still work: http://const.it/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529...

The original idea was just to provide a consistent link which would fallback to a cache when necessary and back to the original content for reddit/hn type traffic. Then it made sense to do some paywall busting and readability functionality on top of it and those features overshadowed the original concerns.

dRocking5• 14 years ago

Thanks for all of the feedback everyone... it has been very exciting to actually "launch" something and get some feedback. You guys did a swell job of uncovering some bugs and edge cases. I'm going to keep pushing and at least get it working as advertised.

I did some research ahead of time and did come across purl.org, but had no idea about WebCite and a couple of the others. Yes, my project is basically the same as those.

Does this work as a single point of failure company? Who knows, but it's been fun.

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