UK Officials could face US entry ban over Twitter policy

https://parliamentnews.co.uk/uk-officials-could-face-us-entry-ban-over-x-policy

by OgsyedIE • 6 months ago

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Havoc• 6 months ago

Maybe the US could do something about their CSAM-as-a-service companies instead?

For the confused reader, "CSAM-as-a-service" means they will ban your account and sic the cops on you if you use their service to create CSAM:

“We take action against illegal content on X, including Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM), by removing it, permanently suspending accounts, and working with local governments and law enforcement as necessary,” X Safety said. “Anyone using or prompting Grok to make illegal content will suffer the same consequences as if they upload illegal content.”

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f...

pjc508• 6 months ago

The trick here is that the sexualised but not actually naked pictures of children are not actually illegal in the US (or quite possibly England as well). Just very disturbing.

It's an odd shadow war though, because the government haven't even pulled their own Twitter accounts from the service (which they can and should do).

wat100002• 6 months ago

Do the actually do this, or do they just say they do this?

If they do it, why don’t they preemptively block it instead? I know they don’t have anywhere near the manpower to find this stuff manually so it would have to be automated. If it’s automated then they could detect it as it’s happening and prevent it from being made in the first place.

tremon• 6 months ago

We take action against illegal content on X

Such content includes anything using the word cisgender, posting pictures of Herr Musk from before their gender reaffirmment surgery, and referring to the Grand Pedophile in Chief in a non-brownnosing manner, I presume.

hopelite5• 6 months ago

Why do you know about CSAM-as-a-service companies? How could something like that even exist without it being a government operation like Epstein Island?

miohtama6• 6 months ago

There is no CSAM. Musk confirmed it and Starmer confirmed Grok is acting compliant.

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2011434416837361794?s=20

wat100002• 6 months ago

Musk can’t be trusted and Starmer just says he was told that.

immibis• 6 months ago

Is this finally a severe enough escalation for the UK to stop using the US dollar as a reserve currency?

OgsyedIE2• 6 months ago

The UK is extremely dependent on American LNG to serve as a vital component of the UK's home heating infrastructure. The UK would have significant affordability problems with making up the difference from other gas exporting countries and would likely just have rationing and rolling outages instead.

arethuza4• 6 months ago

"Extremely dependent" seems to be overstating things a bit - 11% of imported gas comes from the US with is about a fifth of what we import from Norway and a third of domestic production?

https://www.sunsave.energy/blog/uk-gas-sources

jjkaczor• 6 months ago

Well - according to a quick search, 99% of Canadian LNG goes to the US - am sure we would be happy to switch customers at this point in time...

einichi3• 6 months ago

Pipeline-based providers are still a significantly greater percentage of the UK's overall gas consumption

Could the UK not rebalance its imports from LNG to more pipeline-based gas? It seems like the UK has managed to cut out Russian LNG imports completely already.

blitzar4• 6 months ago

We use the Great British Pound in the UK.

ta202405283• 6 months ago

So why then does the bank of England have and need the right* to print as many USD as they need, whenever they want.

If they only use sterling?

* - along five other central banks

Neil442• 6 months ago

The obvious issue is that there's potential for any of the AI models to be tricked into producing dodgy content, so if you ban Grok for this you're then obligated to act against the rest too. I'm 100% sure I'm not the first person to realize this, between the various agitators here. Personally I think that de-anonymizing so that existing laws against the content produced can be prosecuted is the way forwards.

pjc508• 6 months ago

Doesn't help if it's people outside the UK using it to make deepfakes of UK nationals.

Neil442• 6 months ago

How would banning AI in the UK help there either?

pu_pe• 6 months ago

The other major AI providers do not have a social media platform attached to it. I also doubt that the guardrails in Gemini or OpenAI are as lax as the ones on Grok.

The debate is whether to ban X, not Grok though.

hopelite5• 6 months ago

You are trying to use reason and rationality to make sense of lying and narcissism. You are correct, you are not the first person to think of that, but the objective is to find, hunt, attack, assault, damage, destroy, and root out places where the human right of free speech/expression may exist.

The last thing you want to do is play right into the hand of psychopathic narcissists by "de-anonymizing" everyone. You simply do not understand what you are proposing and thereby condemning your children and all of humanity to with that mentality. It is advocacy for tyranny.

perihelions• 6 months ago

The US banned Thierry Breton a few weeks ago[0], also essentially over Twitter moderation[1].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46374248 ("Former EU commissioner and activists barred from US (theguardian.com)")

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-moderation... ("EU warns Elon Musk that being too lax on Twitter moderation could get the platform banned in Europe" (2022))

miohtama6• 6 months ago

Thierry also wrote a letter as an EU officer to cancel Trump's interview

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-elon-musk-donald-trump-in...

TRiG_Ireland2• 6 months ago

Is Titter a US company, or is the US government working for Twitter?

arethuza4• 6 months ago

Please tell me that first typo was intentional...

pjc508• 6 months ago

The retaliation against individual government members is a new thing. This got started against Russia, where various individuals were sanctioned for financial crimes and then more recently over the war in Ukraine. But it's not something that historically one government has done to another in the past, pressure individual lawmakers over their votes.

It is however a massive alarm that the UK cannot afford to use US cloud services for anything governmental, and especially should not be signing any contracts with Palantir. Perhaps revoking the Palantir one should be used as leverage here? Or do we just admit to being a sort of damp version of Puerto Rico, not a state but subject to US governance?

Then there's the F35s, the ""independent"" (not) nuclear deterrent, and so on.

arethuza4• 6 months ago

""independent"" (not) nuclear deterrent"

We really are in a weird state of dependency with the US regarding deterrence - missiles sourced from US stocks, UK nuclear material built into warheads using a US design.

I wonder if there is a block in the missiles to stop them being used against the US?

Edit: I don't think there is any dependency on the US once a UK Trident sub is at sea - for the simple reason there no external dependencies (no codes or anything) - the crews have all they need to launch.

ben_w2• 6 months ago

I wonder if there is a block in the missiles to stop them being used against the US?

When test firing gets into the news, it's because it has the opposite problem and goes towards the US.

rich_sasha• 6 months ago

I have wondered about this. Would we know there aren't any radio receivers that might pick up a signal from satellites saying, nuh-uh, not this way?

GJim3• 6 months ago

The retaliation against individual government members is a new thing

It's Donald Trumps SOP.

miohtama6• 6 months ago

Also what has changed is that European countries came up with extraterritorial laws and started to fine the US companies and want to have saying how they run their business. GDPR was the first step, and was still reasonable, but now there are several censorship laws. Most notable UK and Italy, where the latter wants to nuke anything they say from global DNS in 15 minutes without due process.

GJim3• 6 months ago

and started to fine the US companies and want to have saying how they run their business IN EUROPE.

Fixed that for you.

piva003• 6 months ago

Extraterritorial? Those companies are doing business in the EU, it's exactly the same in any country on Earth: if you want to do business in their territory there are local laws to follow.

Have you thought about this for even a second?

pjc508• 6 months ago

Fairly sure the US started this process with things like the PokerStars case, the MegaUpload raid, heck even further back Dmitry Skylarov's PDF reader. Not to mention the secondary sanctions on Cuba and the complex rules about providing financial services to overseas Americans.

I'm also fairly sure that the Italian requirement only applies to blocking Italian DNS access.

secretsatan• 6 months ago

I'm confused, I thought the US would refuse entry to anyone who wrote something against the Trump admin? I wish they'd make up their minds if they're for free speech or not.

SanjayMehta• 6 months ago

Rules based disorder: "I do dis, you no do dis."

In one word: hypocrisy.

hopelite5• 6 months ago

Are you really confused though or are you feigning? The US Constitution applies to American citizens, if you are not a US citizen, you do not have the rights protected by the Constitution, which prohibit the government from infringing on those inalienable, God given rights. Maybe you should look into copying the Constitution where you are if you also want it. We encourage it.

It's like when you are a member of some club, let's say a wholesale club. If you are a member, you are allowed to enter and follow the rules of the club. If you are not a member, you do not get to do that and must leave.

You are free to create your own wholesale club with your own rules, but conflict arises when you demand or even force entry into our club illegally. That is where we have been for many decades now and security is enforcing the rules because the members of the club that have been paying are getting extremely pissed off after having had to pay for freeloaders for decades now and be abused and disrespected by them for it on top of it.

It's not hard to understand, it just seems most people are intentionally and deceptively feigning ignorance. If they are not, we have a way bigger problem that will invariably result in open conflict at some point.

If you want to free speech, I suggest you start your own free speech club wherever you are, or if you gain entry to our free speech club, you have to follow the membership rules and if it were up to me, you would have a trial period, restricted rights, and you would have to pay a freeloader rate.

These are all very reasonable things to abide by in order to keep peace, but we are now all having to learn the hard lessons of what happens when you allow bad behavior to get away with things, and you do not enforce clearly defined rules against those who even blatantly defy them and disrespect you and what you have created, and even do so in your own home. It didn't need to be like this, but it seems most humans are incapable of simply letting well enough be. It seems one of the most universal human characteristics. It applies from the personal to the government to the ideological/psychological level and it is the origin of all human conflict; you have something someone else wants and they'll end up stewing over it until they try to take it from you by hook or crook if you allow them to. The peace comes from keeping a balance. There has been no balance for as long as anyone is old and then some.

ryandrake• 6 months ago

The US Constitution applies to American citizens, if you are not a US citizen, you do not have the rights protected by the Constitution

So, you think the Constitution does not apply to the millions of permanent residents (green card holders) in the US?

ndsipa_pomu3• 6 months ago

if you are not a US citizen, you do not have the rights protected by the Constitution

That's a possible interpretation, but the language used is "No person..." which is most often interpreted as anyone on U.S. soil.

ekjhgkejhgk• 6 months ago

Fascism.

blitzar4• 6 months ago

@grok put them in a bikini

zombot• 6 months ago

I think we can take it as official that the goons are not only domestic terrorists but international terrorists as well. The US has become a terrorist state.

UK Officials could face US entry ban over Twitter policy

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