Pentagon moves to punish Democratic senator over 'seditious video'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8039wg1rdo

by onemoresoop • 7 months ago

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dzink2• 7 months ago

That will just motivate him to run and he can win the Presidency. More good smart people should run.

This might not resonate in this community, but I doubt a gun control candidate could win the Presidency of the United States.

perfmode2• 7 months ago

Anyone can win the presidency.

dzink2• 7 months ago

As is, the only side capitalizing on the anti-Trump sentiment are the extreme left Bernie/Mamdani candidates. The democrats need someone sane.

rchaud• 7 months ago

It's not 2018 anymore, the NRA doesn't have any money to make guns an election issue, and America will have way bigger problems than guns, trans people and abortion in 2028.

senordevnyc• 7 months ago

What? You mean like Clinton, Obama, and Biden, the three most recent Democratic presidents?

60% of Americans think gun laws should be more strict. Only 12% think they should be less strict. Source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

CalChris• 7 months ago

Ironically, this is why Hegseth did it as well. The more extreme he can be, the better chances he has with MAGA with Trump gone.

ronbenton• 7 months ago

I am so confused, in the video didn't the senator just say that military service members are allowed to disobey illegal orders? Is that sedition?

lysace2• 7 months ago

... and the story is at least temporarily flagged away from the front page. I guess it's a brand risk or worse for YC, in the brand new hyper-american world.

Yes, I understand that the system is designed for YC to let some people flag posts and to let YC later unflag posts at their privilege.

alterom2• 7 months ago

BBC article related to technology (legality of video content and government censorship) is clearly antithetical to hacker culture and interests, I guess.

Go figure.

viraptor• 7 months ago

Yeah, no. He (and others) said what's already officially in the military rules. People are freaking out because of when it happened and what was implied... but good luck proving any of it was illegal.

BugsJustFindMe• 7 months ago

People are freaking out because of when it happened and what was implied

No, certain people are freaking out because those people are grifters with no motivating beliefs whatsoever other than to enrich themselves, and who will do and say literally anything from one day to the next as long as it benefits them at someone else's expense.

Jtsummers6• 7 months ago

No, it's not sedition. Reminding service members about the law is not an act of sedition. Encouraging them to disobey the law could be, but that's not what he and the others did in that video. This is just more pettiness.

KevinMS2• 7 months ago

Encouraging them to disobey the law could be, but that's not what he and the others did in that video.

The issue is that service members already know this very well, so when you tell them what they already know, it does seem like they are being encouraged.

krapp3• 7 months ago

You have to remember that our current Secretary of Defense is a former Fox And friends cohost with Nazi tattoos who thinks war crimes are "based."

bakies• 7 months ago

What war crime did he say was based?

conartist6• 7 months ago

They're not just allowed to disobey illegal orders, they're morally obligated to disobey illegal orders.

Eddy_Viscosity2• 7 months ago

They are legally obligated to disobey illegal orders.

silverquiet• 7 months ago

Aren't they required to obey chain-of-command? And doesn't their pay and their family's healthcare depend on them remaining employed?

perfmode2• 7 months ago

If he loses his pension, then let’s cover it.

onemoresoop• 7 months ago

I think this may be intended not only as a punishment but as a warning to scare all dissidents. This is something I've never seen done in the US, this admin is changing all the rules is seems but, it may backfire pretty badly.

red-iron-pine4• 7 months ago

the set up the gofund me mate

HillRat• 7 months ago

Should go without saying, but since the media is doing a terrible job of reporting this, it's not at all clear what authority OSD/SecNav has to do this, given that even if there were something objectionable under the UCMJ about his statements he made those statements after retiring, and they aren't recalling him to active status (probably because a court martial would go very badly for the Navy and OSD).

It's exceedingly unlikely that this survives any administrative or legal scrutiny (and if it does, there's a whole lot of former active-status Trump allies, including GOFOs, who are more than vulnerable under these same standards); the main result, I think, is to elevate Kelly's political profile while turning most of the Pentagon even more against Hegseth and Phelan (the former being an over-promoted PAO, and the latter not even having that experience, having spent his career managing Michael Dell's money).

pogue• 7 months ago

Pretty sick of anything seemingly critical of the current administration getting flagged here. The right loves to cry about censorship, but the censorship is coming from inside the house.

sheikhnbake4• 7 months ago

Fascists are defined by their constant paradox of claiming to be the strongest while always playing* the victim of anything and everything.

antisthenes• 7 months ago

Politics aside, there's no paradox here.

Unless you assume strength and victimhood are somehow on a supply/demand type of curve, which would be logically bonkers.

difosfor• 7 months ago

I wish there was an unflag vote option

Jtsummers6• 7 months ago

Email the mods, they may remove flagging from some articles. Or if it gets flag-killed you can vouch for it.

krapp3• 7 months ago

There is a vouch option to undo flags, but if the mods disagree with your choices your vouches will stop working.

metadope• 7 months ago

Anything critical of the administration is going to be, by definition, political.

There is a large contingent within HN who never want any political discussion.

This appears to be an ongoing dynamic tension. The flagging might not be from the right. Just same old same old HN foosball.

mingus88• 7 months ago

Bollocks. Politics is endemic to tech. It’s impossible to discuss tech without politics.

What some folk want to squash is very particular politics which they don’t want to confront. It violates everything it means to be a hacker in the true sense of the word but I have realized a long time ago that these types of people wear the badge of hacker for their ego only

red-iron-pine4• 7 months ago

There is a large contingent within HN who never want any political discussion.

There is a large contingent within HN who are bots, and/or are 100% in-line with Thiel and Yarvin

Pentagon moves to punish Democratic senator over 'seditious video'

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