AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amds-legacy-ryzen-7-5800x3d-chips-now-sell-for-up-to-usd800-more-than-a-new-9800x3d-am4-chip-costs-twice-as-much-as-msrp-as-enthusiasts-flock-to-old-ddr4-memory

by walterbell • 7 months ago

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throwaway613745• 7 months ago

oh ffs, I was just thinking about upgrading my current PC with a new GPU and CPU and just keeping the same 64gb of AM4 DDR4 I already have. But now even the prices for the CPUs are skyrocketting? Eff everything about this and curse Sam Altman.

justinclift• 7 months ago

The gaming focused CPUs yeah. If you're on an early generation AM4 cpu (ie 2600x) then updating to a 5xxx cpu that's not gaming focused is still pretty cheap and likely worthwhile. ie 5950x

Depending upon your workload and motherboard support of course.

AdrianB1• 7 months ago

Based on the benchmarks that I've seen, 5800X3D is still a good CPU for games, when paired with a very expensive GPU, otherwise a 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter. Someone with the money for a nVidia 5800 GPU will pair it with a 9800X3D, for most games even 16 GB of RAM will work and would be cheap enough, while for applications one does not need X3D, so what exactly is the point of 5800X3D scalping?

tylerflick2• 7 months ago

5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter

It’s impossible to keep my 5800x below 90C under full load.

kevin_thibedeau• 7 months ago

This is where the 5700X shines. 8 cores, still cool.

zten• 7 months ago

The Ryzen CPUs seem to be designed to spike as high as whatever thermal limit you configure with Precision Boost Overdrive.

Asmod4n5• 7 months ago

Mine runs at 60C when running Prime95 at full load, i got a open bench case though.

The 7000 series is designed to hit those loads, i wonder how your 5000 series can even reach that.

db48x• 7 months ago

Then you need better cooling. The stock coolers are pretty mediocre.

hnuser123456• 7 months ago

Does your motherboard have auto-oc enabled? Have you checked what voltage it's using? Have you tried setting a negative voltage offset and stability testing? Some motherboards will apply 1.3v+ when 1.2v is plenty.

tetraodonpuffer2• 7 months ago

5800x3d / 5700x3d are MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than non-x3d in some games that are CPU bound (for some even 2x / 3x faster than non-x3d) so even with a "slower" GPU it can still be a large upgrade

Asmod4n5• 7 months ago

when you game in 4K thats only relevant for games like factorio or city skylines.

doctorpangloss• 7 months ago

so what exactly is the point of 5800X3D scalping

in the past, growth in PC gaming came naturally with the growth in the adoption of computers around the world.

at saturation of "new to computers" audiences, growth in PC gaming comes from convincing the core gaming demographic, newly-turned 13 year old boys, to agitate for PCs instead of XYZ.

so a big part of it is the retail-marketing experience - the aesthetics of buying - and scalping / sense of urgency plays extremely well with the buyer who actually chooses PC over a nintendo switch, as opposed to a kid who will never make the more expensive choice ever.

this is really a story about saturation than it is about hardware or shortages for AI usage or whatever.

christkv3• 7 months ago

Pc gaming is also massively cheaper than consoles these days so the lifetime cost is lower

monster_truck• 7 months ago

You are simply not making any meaningful amount of heat with a 5800X3D. You're talking about a TDP of 105W and a PPT of 142W.

kllrnohj• 7 months ago

And that's under extreme loads. In gaming it's only like 50-75w

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/images/power-g...

from https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/24.ht...

alecco4• 7 months ago

Be careful with these older boards. Some might be PCIe 3.0 making your GPU and NVMe dog slow.

ls612• 7 months ago

Even like 2016 vintage boards were PCIe 4.0 so I don’t think this is a huge issue?

alecco4• 7 months ago

The article mentions AM4 boards and many of those are PCIe 3.0.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ilz8v6/which_am4_...

  Chipset  PCIe Version Supported
  X570   PCIe 4.0 (both GPU/NVMe)
  B550   PCIe 4.0 (GPU/NVMe; other lanes are PCIe 3.0)
  A520   PCIe 3.0
  X470   PCIe 3.0
  B450   PCIe 3.0
  X370   PCIe 3.0
  B350   PCIe 3.0
  A320   PCIe 3.0

windowsrookie• 7 months ago

Considering the final PCIe 4.0 spec was released in June 2017 that seems improbable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

AMD didn't even support PCIe 4.0 until 2019 with Zen 2, Intel in 2020 with tiger lake.

Hikikomori• 7 months ago

Doesn't matter for gaming at least.

alecco4• 7 months ago

NVIDIA models 4060/5050/5060 have only 8 PCIe lanes. Combine that with PCIe 3.0 and it becomes a problem.

whatevaa• 7 months ago

Definetly not dog slow as long as your gpu is x16.

Asmod4n5• 7 months ago

PCIe 3.0 x16 is enough for up to a ~5080, you only lose single digit percent fps.

justsomehnguy• 7 months ago

Not a problem for MWLL - it's still the Crysis engine anyway.

But seriously, claiming "dog slow" is certainly an overstatement. You lose some of the top performance, not below - and it's still ~4/16GB/s

Caius-Cosades• 7 months ago

Mechwarrior Living Legends my belowed.

PeterStuer2• 7 months ago

BS. A used (not available new) 5800X3D is 350€, while a new 9800X3D is around 460€.

christkv3• 7 months ago

I think its the memory price checked and 32gb of ddr4 is a 170 eur while same size kit in ddr5 is over 400 now. If you want to build a cheap 1080p 1440p gaming desktop it all adds up.

Asmod4n5• 7 months ago

base speed 32gb ddr 5 ram goes for around 800€, aka 4800 MT.

PeterStuer2• 7 months ago

The article claims "Second-hand prices for the 5800X3D average around $500-$600 on eBay. Some of the highest-selling units sold at nearly $800, showing how desperate some buyers are to buy AMD's best gaming chip that still uses DDR4 memory"

This is absurd. "Average quoted" on ebay does not mean anything, neither dors their claim of "highest selling" which is "highest listed". Nobody is buying at these prices.

People buy the lowest priced (incl. Shipping) with modifiers for professional>private, seller review rating, location and picture/description quality.

oceansky• 7 months ago

Rocking my 5800x from 2022, 32gb ram.

belval• 7 months ago

I have my 5800X in my AM4 motherboard from 2017. My current system as been beyond any doubts the best bang for my bucks of any computer I have built.

cbull• 7 months ago

Same, 5800X in my X470 AORUS mobo and it's been fantastic, no desire to upgrade (already had the 64gb ram, so the CPU swap was simple, I think I got $50 from my old 2700 cpu)

loeg• 7 months ago

Hell yeah, buddy.

    $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
    ...
    model name      : AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core Processor

    $ free -m
    ...
                   total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
    Mem:           32006        6878        1088         363       24856       25127

on_the_train• 7 months ago

3800x here, so disappointing little progress since then

distances• 7 months ago

Depends on your workload of course, but my upgrade from 3700X to 9950X3D gave a massive boost and I should have upgraded to 16-core a lot earlier.

polyterative2• 7 months ago

5900X here with mobo from 2019. Will upgrade my GPU or get a mac if I'm able to setup my wacom pen the way I want. Either way I will keep the current machine

phkahler• 7 months ago

Upgraded my 2400G to a 5700G with new 64GB RAM a while back, which is really the end of the road for my system. I got a solid 3x performance increase on multi-threaded apps. Also have enough RAM to play with some this AI stuff - yes even on an AMD APU. Next purchase will likely be Zen 7.

0xFFFC• 7 months ago

I have a 5700X3D laying around. Should I finally get around to installing it? Or should I sell it? I have a 3600 installed.

zeroonetwothree• 7 months ago

If you aren’t using it then sell

vablings• 7 months ago

5700X3D is a big boost in games over the 3600. I would say install it, these days you don't even have to re-install windows when changing a CPU

kittikitti• 7 months ago

The people that predicted this face a dilemma. They were ridiculed when their forecast was against popular opinion and now they are ostracized because they were right. I've seen this happen to many researchers in AI and it's demoralizing.

faefox• 7 months ago

It may seem cute but economies only do this when they are very stressed.

system22• 7 months ago

It didn't stop people from buying the most expensive cards and CPUs when the world was ending in COVID-19 days. Average Joe doesn't know anything about CPUs. This is a gaming community that squeezes the most out of each buck. I wouldn't use CPU market for economic prediction.

freehorse• 7 months ago

Average Joe does not know anything about CPUs, but when they are out to buy a new computer they can see the prices of a new DDR5 computer vs an older or used DDR4 one.

re-thc2• 7 months ago

when they are very stressed

DDR5 has gone up so much it just isn't worth it. 4-5x the price. Is this just "stress"?

mrbungie• 7 months ago

It is stress in the consumer economy, everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI.

jajuuka• 7 months ago

5800X3D have been high for a long time now. Ever since they were discontinued the price has only inflated. Same as the 5700X3D. AM5 was a bit of a slow start for a lot of people who didn't a big bump in jumping to the new platform. So while their high price isn't driven by RAM prices, I'm sure it's getting some extra inflation from it.

formerly_proven• 7 months ago

The 5800X3D is an almost four year old CPU (2022), which was the last major product on its platform (first product in 2016, last new chipset launched in 2020). The successor platform (AM5) was released just months later and is now about 2/3rds or so through its lifecycle.

Normally an old, used CPU for a dead 10yo platform will go for a small fraction the MSRP. Not a multiple. Silicon economy seems in a good shape.

w0m• 7 months ago

Normally an old, used CPU for a dead platform will go for a small fraction the MSRP.

True in general- used CPUs from discontinued platforms sell for a small fraction of the original MSRP.

Buuuut, the final flagship part on nearly every platform is an exception to this rule. They are generally sought after as the definitive 'End Game Upgrade' because they provide users with the simplest, most cost-effective performance boost—a single component swap—bypassing the need for a costly migration to a successor platform (which requires new RAM and a new motherboard).

It tends to happen every generation swap, 5800X3D is just the latest.

Rohansi• 7 months ago

Despite it's age the 5800X3D is still one of the best CPUs you can get for gaming.

momoschili• 7 months ago

Best is a bit of an overstatement. It's middle of the pack (performing akin to a 7700, but significantly worse than AMD Zen 5 and the Intel 13th/14th gen). I think the main thing is that it is still plenty capable in 2025 if you're running at a reasonable setting for most games.

Certainly there are situations where it is still among kings like MSFS, but definitely not a leader in most games.

drob518• 7 months ago

Yikes. This DDR shortage is distorting everything.

duffyjp2• 7 months ago

I browsed thru my comment history to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Just over a year ago I had priced out a used Xeon and 256GB kit on eBay for my old X99 board (DDR4) for under $300.

I did not pull the trigger. I did thankfully get it up to 64gb for ~ $50.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41100502

penultimatename• 7 months ago

I double checked my RAM purchase from early September. $450 for 128GB of DDR5. That same RAM is now $1400.

I know it’s a bit naive to extrapolate from that, but something doesn’t smell right, the PC hardware market is clearly going through something, probably caused by the AI boom. I wonder what else is shifting that isn’t so apparent.

duffyjp2• 7 months ago

Everybody says this is because OpenAI bought up 40% of the world's supply of DRAM. Certainly that has hugely tilted the supply and demand teeter-totter, but to me this just feels like another "because we can" by the market.

When beef is expensive, you buy chicken. There's no alternative to RAM. If you need it, you've gotta pony up.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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