App for outing Charlie Kirk's critics leaked its users' personal data

https://san.com/cc/app-for-outing-charlie-kirks-critics-leaked-its-users-personal-data/

by speckx • 10 months ago

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djohnston• 10 months ago

This app is as gross as that one for anonymously discussing men - inevitably rife with abuse and negatively impacting innocents. Good riddance.

serbuvlad2• 10 months ago

So doxxing people is just ok now? "The right" makes an app to dox people that criticize Charlie Kirk, "the left" makes a website to dox people that own a Tesla amid a wave of Tesla vandalism. [1]

I remember growing up on YouTube. Starting with the atheist-chrisitian debates that got engulfed into politics around 2016 and never went back. And doxxing someone or trying to get them fired for not agreeing with you was seen as the lowest of the low. On all sides.

Shame.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/tesla-dogequest-websit...

JumpCrisscross4• 10 months ago

doxxing people is just ok now?

I'm not on much social media. But my general takeaway is...yes? The cultural Overton window on this seems to have shifted at...some point over the last few years. It doesn't really strike me as repulsive anymore, which is interesting in itself.

DangitBobby• 10 months ago

I still find it repulsive.

carlosjobim2• 10 months ago

It's not doxxing when people publish things under their own names. Even so, doxxing is of course perfectly legal in the sense of uncovering the name of a debater. Not so in publishing the adress or other irrelevant information.

And I hope you understand that there is an enormous difference in person A purchasing a popular car and person B publicly celebrating a gruesome murder.

serbuvlad2• 10 months ago

To me the important thing is the "nefarious" action that is "implied". For B it's firing (I understand that's what's been happening in this case) and for A it's vandalism (as that's what was happening at this time).

And getting fired for expressing a 1A-protected opinion outside of work hours, and getting your car destroyed for purchasing a legal product are pretty comparable.

none2585• 10 months ago

In terms of whether it's "okay" to dox there isn't an "enormous" difference except in how you perceive the person being doxxed.

ziml77• 10 months ago

Doxxing is not ok. I don't give a crap what other people replying are saying about this being normal now, it's both disgusting and dangerous.

cookiengineer2• 10 months ago

You seem to have not understood that in politics, it was never about values.

It was about beliefs, that's why the right wing is winning, always, just from a game strategy viewpoint.

Trying to find a compromise is losing the game in the long term. That's why doxxing in public is so effective for the right wing, because it moves the needle of what is okay to say as a rhetoric, while lowering the chance of finding a compromise, too. The more hate it spreads, the better.

And the absolutists on the left side of the spectrum are just as radicalized by now as a copycat game strategy. The irony here is that if they would get voted into the Capitol, they would stalemate democracy just the same.

And that's the bug that Putin is exploiting with his propaganda machine, since 2011, the day he realized he must control the media when Gorbachev's daughter tried to start a coup and failed.

Also check out what happened to MTV in Russia, which had a comedy show about Putin. That's what's happening to Jimmy Kimmel right now (and probably John Oliver soon).

JumpCrisscross4• 10 months ago

It was about beliefs, that's why the right wing is winning, always, just from a game strategy viewpoint

It wasn't always like this. But if you remove the classics and philosophy from high school, and then dilute the liberal arts in undergrad into gimme courses, you wind up with generations who can't think about values. And then you devolve into purely transactional politics.

pstuart2• 10 months ago

The fact that anything that isn't fawning over the man is considered hate is what's scary. His assassination was instantly weaponized to foment even more hate against the Left.

There was leftist terrorism in the 70's (e.g., The Weather Underground), but nothing I'm aware of since.

They define Antifa as a terrorist group but it's just a collection of young men who want to get into brawls with extremists on the other side -- like some sort of Fight Club.

The President has declared his desire for his political opponents to be jailed -- and he's surrounded by enablers who are more than willing to do that. Worse yet, a significant chunk of the population is totally okay with that.

krapp• 10 months ago

This isn't just about "the left." A significant number of people on the right want this to be the catalyst for a campaign of violence against gay people, and trans people in particular.

They never fail to mention "trans activism" or something similar when talking about the shooter. They concocted this whole elaborate conspiracy theory about "trans groomers" years ago, and I'm absolutely certain that a lot of the recent online safety legislation has the goal of surveilling the trans community.

Worst case scenario would be declaring being gay and transgender people mentally ill and indoctrinated into "radical left-wing ideology" and then force detransitions and conversion therapy, and shut down their communities, or best case scenario a couple more chuds are radicalized to mass murder. Although since spree killing minorities is common enough to be considered a pastime in the US, the latter was probably going to happen anyway.

pstuart2• 10 months ago

Yeah, by "Left" I meant "everybody who's not MAGA", because that's pretty much how they see the world.

That "our" president is actively demonizing everybody who is not a loyalist fills me with dread. Stochastic terrorism is a very real threat.

If we make it out of this dark period we're going to have some serious lessons to learn and to make sure they last across generations.

dmitrygr• 10 months ago

“ those who have criticized Kirk or are seen as celebrating his shooting”

Writing this way implies that those two are equivalent or even comparable. This is truly evil.

You can criticize anyone. I’ll die defending your right to do so, even if you criticize me as I do it. But, if you ever celebrate a death, anyone’s death, I don’t want you as my doctor, my kid’s teacher, my lawyer, not even flipping my burger. How could I trust you with my life if you clearly do not value life? I want you ostracized from polite society, because you have lost what made you human.

JumpCrisscross4• 10 months ago

if you ever celebrate a death, anyone’s death, I don’t want you as my doctor, my kid’s teacher, my lawyer, not even flipping my burger

Uh, I'll toast to Hitler's death. Bin Laden's, too. I think your criticism is narrower than just all death, or if it isn't, you have to concede your views are outside the mainstream.

jjk166• 10 months ago

SAN reached out to a user listed in the leaked data and confirmed that they had in fact downloaded the app. The user, who asked to remain anonymous over fears of retribution, expressed concerns that Cancel the Hate might be a “scam” after receiving an influx of donation requests to their email.

Evil simply can't resist the temptation to devour itself.

App for outing Charlie Kirk's critics leaked its users' personal data

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