The Nifty MiniDrive - SD slot hack for the Macbook

by websirnik • 14 years ago

55 75 14 years ago

Why would you use something like this, and not just a SD card?

pacomerh• 14 years ago

"Unlike an SD card which sticks out about 1cm from the body of the computer, the MiniDrive sits flush against the body of the MacBook, becoming a semi-permanent feature of the computer."

rolmos• 14 years ago

So, it's a microSD card adapter that's a bit smaller that normal. That 35$ price is ridiculous.

sciurus• 14 years ago

That's some impressive marketing for a MicroSD to SD adapter, something that comes for free with almost every MicroSD card.

mdonahoe4• 14 years ago

You pay $35 to remove a mild annoyance. It is definitely not for everyone. Neither are macs

ghost91• 14 years ago

This post summarizes what I personnaly find wrong about Hacker News.

Ridiculous apple fanboys and total ignorance

sliverstorm2• 14 years ago

You know, that's an excellent point. A good number of folks I know who own macs, simply are the sort of folks who would pay $35 in pursuit of "form". I tend to forget about that.

podperson3• 14 years ago

Setting aside the price, requiring a tool to remove it is a design fail. What I'd like is for it to have a removal prong that tilts out when pressed on one side (perhaps with a pen). I guarantee that I'd lose the butt ugly gizmo.

So it's ugly I'm going to lose the thingy. Oh and it's $35.

evan_3• 14 years ago

That's a red herring. You can remove it with an un-bent paperclip or a bit of string. You could knot the string or loop the paperclip around itself to make it easier to remove frequently, if you wanted to, but the device is intended to be removed rarely.

A tilting removal handle could break off, making it IMPOSSIBLE to remove.

podperson3• 14 years ago

I think you could design a tilting removal handle such that if broken off it could still be removed with a paperclip.

In any event, I could.

mdonahoe4• 14 years ago

Much like the tool that Apple includes for removing sim cards from your iphone, this tool is a glorified paperclip. Not the end of the world if you lose it.

Also, prongs break.

That said, I don't have a macbook with an SD card. Nor am I running low on internal storage, so this thing isn't for me anyway.

podperson3• 14 years ago

What's the expected number of times you'll remove the SIM card from a phone in normal use? Hmm. 0.

Requiring a tool for removing removable storage media is a different order of inconvenience.

polshaw2• 14 years ago

The idea is that you don't generally remove it. In reality if you lost the tool you would use a paperclip.

Also I disagree that it is a design fail. What (i think) you are describing is poor industrial design; it would be more prone to break, as well as costing more to produce (bearing in mind this is being done by a startup).

The real design failure is Apple's. My laptop (like nearly every digital camera ever?) has a spring loaded sd-slot, that allows the SD card to sit flush with the edge.

nessus42• 14 years ago

A spring-loaded SD-slot that is not covered by a latching panel sounds like an extremely poor idea to me. All my cameras have such latching panels, but I can understand why Apple did not want to do that on their MacBooks.

LoneWolf5• 14 years ago

Only after reading your comment I understood that it does not have a spring loaded slot, it's the first that I know of that does not have one. And now I'm wondering if there is not 1cm more to make the card go fully inside the computer? Doesn't look too hard (but maybe it is?).

The more I think about it the more I agree the real design flaw is from Apple.

robomartin2• 14 years ago

OK, so it's an adapter that's designed to be flush wit the case. I get it. For some this could be of value.

From a design standpoint, I would have been far more impressed had they taken the time to engineer a removal approach that does not require a special tool. The first thing it's going to happen is that you'll be on a trip or out of the office without the "key". There are tons of ways to make tool-less removal possible. This device is very simple as it has no real circuitry inside. It's an exercise in mechanical design, and they chose to not go the extra step and give it tool-less removal.

daeken• 14 years ago

On my W520, SD cards go in all the way and then pop out when you push them in further (spring-loaded). Something like that could be built into this card itself pretty trivially. Added complexity increases costs a decent bit for something like this, though, I'd imagine.

robomartin2• 14 years ago

That's the beauty of designing with plastics. Sometimes you can add significant functional complexity to a design without a corresponding increase in cost. The mold costs are not correlated to functional complexity. Adding the "push to remove" function could, depending on design, cost exactly zero both in terms of mold costs and materials cost.

The same is the case for a number of other options.

jkap• 14 years ago

This would be really neat if the sd slot on my macbook even worked. Has anyone else had this problem?

evan_3• 14 years ago

Yes. I find that I can make it work by applying a little bit of pressure to the underside of the SD card that sticks out of the drive. This is easily my #1 complaint about the MBP.

pyrotechnick• 14 years ago

It's just dust.

Blow in it like an old Atari or Sega.

Trust me.

tluyben2• 14 years ago

Same issue. Blowing dust out doesn't work; there is none, still doesn't work.

relix• 14 years ago

I see a lot of uninformed and unwarranted (apple-)hate in this thread.

The removal tool, is a reference to how Apple includes the "SIM removal" tool with iPhones, which is just a paperclip. To me, it's obvious that you can just use a normal paperclip to remove this as well. This is also demonstrated in the video on kickstarter, which admittedly you need to search for. It's made as a semi-permanent piece, so the fact it's hard to remove doesn't matter here.

It's not "just an SD card adapter". It's something that fits flush with the design, so you can leave it in and it doesn't impact the visual appearance. If you don't care about this, that's fine, it's not for you. I could easily see myself buying this, however.

ghshephard4• 14 years ago

To all those who hate it, I'm wondering if they could recommend an alternative flash SD card adapter at a lower price.

taligent2• 14 years ago

And also importantly for most Apple users something that fits in with the design.

Evbn• 14 years ago

As soon as this product launches, of it sells well, the mold factory that produces the product, or one of its neighbors, will sell a clone for $5.

heretohelp• 14 years ago

Regarding the removal tool: My macbook air doesn't go anywhere without being inside of its case. Its case has a slip pocket where I can put a removal tool / PAPERCLIP like this.

I will probably get one to expand my SSD storage.

snow_mac2• 14 years ago

Is this designed to work with Time Machine?

Groxx• 14 years ago

Now there's an interesting idea. 64gb is plenty for me to do a Time Machine backup of essentials. If that slot is bootable, I'd definitely consider it - an always-available easily-removed backup that you can stick in another machine without extra tools / power / etc.

bjustin• 14 years ago

The OS treats SD cards the same as any other removal drives, so you can choose it for Time Machine. Their site says microSD cards currently only go up to 64GB, so it is of limited use until larger cards become available.

lolryan• 14 years ago

It will work if you have <64 GB of data to back up. You can optionally exclude things that take up a lot of space like your Applications folder. Honestly though, your best bet would probably be to use a "real" drive for time machine backups and/or a third party online backup solution. Backblaze suits my needs quite well.

adventureloop• 14 years ago

This is pretty cool I currently use a lexar 32Gb usb dongle[1] though it does protude from the macbook air.

There are also usb drives that fit inside the usb port and does not need a special tool to remove, though I cant find it on amazon anymore.

[1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-32GB-Echo-Backup-Drive/dp/B004...

ja272• 14 years ago

There are some really cheap microSD USB adapters that fit almost completely inside the USB port. http://www.dealextreme.com/p/kawau-world-s-smallest-microsd-...

aurizon• 14 years ago

WTF, soon, when computers have micro SD slots ready to roll that do not stick out (like my phone, smartpad or 9 inch netbooks) there will be no need for this. $35 for a 25 cent item - only for suckers.

ghshephard4• 14 years ago

So - what would you recommend for someone like me, who wants to add 128 GB of Storage to his MacBook Air, and maybe get another year's use out of it? This devices looks perfect - but I'm interested if you know of anybody else who makes a flush SSD card adapter.

prawn3• 14 years ago

Any real hope of 2TB cards in the near future?

Wingman4l73• 14 years ago

That's what I've been wondering -- just because a 2TB card is supported doesn't mean that they can actually be built. I'm sure there's a hard limit on how much flash memory you can cram into the microSD form factor. Anyone know what that limit is?

prawn3• 14 years ago

When I first saw this project on KickStarter, I checked to see the current capacity of MicroSD and it was around 64GB. Not sure if it's likely to remain at that level for some time.

Even at that size, it could be worth trying to set one up with TimeMachine to give a second copy of critical files in case of hard drive failure in your laptop. Not quite off-site back-up though.

LoneWolf5• 14 years ago

Am I the only one who remembered the RS-MMC cards? I'm not even sure if the macbook can read them (I don't own or will ever own one). But from what I remember it would fit and not be too long, maybe too short?.

Edit: Ok found out that RS-MMC are limited to 2Gb

rm999• 14 years ago

I'm mildly interested in something like this, and almost funded it on kickstarter for 30 dollars. But I really wish it was cheaper and available now. It's not at the point in either regard where I'd impulse purchase it. For now I'm going to wait to see if something like it turns up on dealextreme for cheaper.

BTW, the idea was discussed in this thread a while ago: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1206894

indium2• 14 years ago

Long time reader, first time commenter. As someone who backed this Kickstarter, and considering some people are mystified as to why you would want this, I thought I might be able to provide some insight:

As an owner of a 128 GB Macbook Air, space is at a serious premium. An extra 32 GB or 64 GB would go a long way. I'm also on the go a lot, taking my laptop to and from work, using it on my commute, etc. Now, existing USB memory sticks, however little they protrude from the port, are always going to be a concern: they may fall out, or get snapped off in my bag, not to mention they use up a valuable USB port (I only have 2 after all). A miniSD-to-SD adaptor also isn't suitable: like an SD card, the adaptor would also stick out, making it likely to snap off or come out in my bag if I leave it in all the time, or for me to just lose something that small if I take it out all the time. This is especially an issue when, for example, I reach my stop while I'm in the middle of work and just have to close my laptop and put it in my bag without having to wait to eject a disk.

This product is clearly not for people with integrated miniSD card readers in their laptops (which is great for those who have them), and it's also not for people who leave their laptops at their desk all the time and can just use an external drive, but for someone like me this is perfect. I get the extra space, it doesn't use up any valuable ports (I rarely use the SD card slot), and it's not going to get lost or broken.

Possible uses for this extra space: (for me personally) I'm going to redirect my Downloads folder to the drive, and also use it to as a temporary backup when I'm on the go.

Just my two cents. £20 is a steal. Some people may think this is too expensive, but the laptop cost me £1000 when I bought it, and this £20 allows me to permanently add an extra 50% hard drive space without having to do something like void my warranty and swap out the flash memory. What's my alternative? Buy a new laptop? No thanks.

ghshephard4• 14 years ago

Yes - I'm in exactly the same situation as you. For $41 I can purchase a 64 GB SD Card (http://www.amazon.com/Komputerbay-Speed-Class-Memory-Write/d...) and for $35 I get the flush-adapter. It's precisely what I'm looking for.

Best part, is as the price of SDXC cards continue to drop, I can simply purchase a naked 128/256/etc... SDXC card, and use it with this adapter.

All in all - may allow me to delay a full year on my Laptop Upgrade. Definitely worth $35 to me.

dkulchenko• 14 years ago

You had me excited there for a second... you're linking to an SD card, while this adapter accepts microSDs. Cheapest 64GB microSD I was able to find is $59: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter-SDSDQ...

mjcohenw• 14 years ago

If the micro-sd card is treated as random-access storage, how much will its performance degrade with time compared with a ssd drive?

Wingman4l73• 14 years ago

This. A SD card != a SSD. If anyone treats this as a built-in backup solution and writes to it too much, it's going to end in tears.

DanBC2• 14 years ago

You charge what the market will pay, not what the item is worth. You describe the product to maximise what people will pay.

I find it weird that so many people on HN don't seem able to understand that. We all know it's just a small kludgier SD-microSD adapater that fits flush with Mac cases, and is meant as a semi-permanent addition to storage. We all know that the materials and assembly cost is at most a few dollars.

This kickstarter should be praised and studied as an example of added value or finding a niche or whatever the hell it's called.

smartkids• 14 years ago

Intelligence insulted. Next.

I have a MicroSDCard inside a SDCard adpater sitting flush in my smaller-than-iPad netbook. I got it for "free" with purchase of a cell phone, before the iPhone existed. I guess I need to get a MacBook to reproduce this unsightly protruding SDCard problem so I can then get a "niftyminidrive" to solve it? According to the title, it's a"hack". Would that make me a "hacker"?

This is almost as good as Microsoft's "ReadyBoost". Otherwise known as a USB slot.

It's a $5 USB stick used as a swap file. No, it's a "Windows Memory Expander". And the price is $49.95. Oh.

Scene_Cast2• 14 years ago

Just FYI, but SD cards typically have abysmal random read/write speeds, and aren't faster than regular hard drives for sequential access. So don't expect an "SSD" with this.

unless you buy the very high-end cards

snow_mac2• 14 years ago

Can this be used to store a bootable copy of say Windows 7?

The Nifty MiniDrive - SD slot hack for the Macbook

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