America's fastest-growing suburbs are about to get expensive

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/417892/suburbs-sunbelt-housing-affordability-yimby

by littlexsparkee • 1 year ago

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WarOnPrivacy5• 1 year ago

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spooky_deep• 1 year ago

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Retric9• 1 year ago

Article completely misses the underlying issue of running out of land near urban centers to create new suburbs. Cars made suburbs viable, but only so far from cities.

One solution which ignores all the issue presented is relatively high speed rail networks which avoid congestion to quickly reach city centers. Rail averaging ~100 MPH turns an unbearable commute into a viable one, assuming the tickets aren’t overpriced.

Level 4/5 Self driving cars are another possibility, the time is still lost but watching TV or even napping on the way home is a very different proposition. Better road networks similarly extend things somewhat.

culopatin• 1 year ago

Lol talking about rails in the US is pointless at this point.

Retric9• 1 year ago

US uses quite a bit of rail, just not for long distance travel. DC metro for example has stations over 30 miles out, with other options extending that to over 60.

A big part of this is having unsubsidized parking, if you or your company is paying 20+$/day on top of driving the incentives change.

xvedejas3• 1 year ago

Roads don't scale well regardless of whether the cars are self-driving. Once you get enough cars on the same highway, there's an inflection point where speeds drop quickly. This only gets worse as you increase the radius of viable commuting distance, since that increases the total number of commuters.

Retric9• 1 year ago

They scale when designed with scale in mind.

Most cities need more limited access highways not just more lanes. Suburbs extend much further along highways for obvious reasons, yet they get built on the way to somewhere else not just for regional transportation.

A perfect example being the south east of DC getting extremely underdeveloped relative to the west. But you can see the same pattern around many US cities.

trollbridge2• 1 year ago

It isn't 1950; people are mostly going places other than city centres. Old style rail doesn't work particularly well for that.

kanbara• 1 year ago

so you have high speed long distance and commuter rail, and then local transit options. and you can stop at places other than coty centres. my route from berlin to hamburg has a bunch of smaller stops.

asia and europe get by fine with rail. if china can build 20 subway systems and 50 HSR routes in 10 years so can america

Retric9• 1 year ago

Rail doesn’t need to be a 90% solution, even 10% makes a major difference on the margins.

Infrastructure like subway stations drive up local prices which means people who don’t use them tend to migrate somewhere else.

WarOnPrivacy5• 1 year ago

It isn't 1950; people are mostly going places other than city centres.

We suburbanites avoid doing city stuff because the 11th-14th commutes (that week) would suck.

defrost• 1 year ago

In related current news:

Paul Simon's Daughter Blasts Richard Gere for Selling Her Childhood Home to Real Estate Developer. - https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/paul-simon-dau...

  SBP Homes bought Richard's family home for $10.75 million, and once it is torn down, they plan to develop the 32-acre lot into nine individual homes.

Seems a shame to not develop (say) 30 half acre homes intermixed with 30 denser multi unit dwellings and common park space .. but zoning, Nimby, expectations, etc.

Also housing shartages tend to be variable by region and perhaps New Canaan, Connecticut doesn't have that demand.

dotcoma2• 1 year ago

“The suburban development model is built on the premise of stasis”.

And it’s a stasis many people like, apparently.

TheCoelacanth• 1 year ago

As long as it's subsidized by someone else and they don't have to pay the true cost.

WarOnPrivacy5• 1 year ago

And it’s a stasis many people like, apparently.

We live where we can afford.

Suburbs tend to be prisons for kids. When we live 50miles from most culture and entertainment, it isn't because we like doing that to ourselves.

dotcoma2• 1 year ago

Consume, drive, flush your hard-earned cash back into the system and eventually die, usually at a younger age than in countries where people can or have to walk.

I don't have a problem with people who are forced into this 'choice' -- I have a problem with a system that seems to force them to 'choose' this rather irrational lifestyle.

andsoitis• 1 year ago

demand to live in the Sunbelt remains undimmed, he said, “you would expect them to start to look more and more like Los Angeles.”

Only in very specific, limited ways.

austin-cheney• 1 year ago

Housing construction in Dallas has plummeted only because the city is geographically locked. Fort Worth, only 30 miles away, is gaining an average of 68 new residents a day. It’s gained over 90,000 people since the last census and has become the 10th largest city in the country. They are building housing as fast as possible and yet the prices are still way up.

woodpanel2• 1 year ago

I find it laughable that the one thing that is not mentioned here also doesn't get the spotlight it deserves, in the article: Good Schools.

Suburbia wins because Cities suck at providing safe environments for children. Particularly schools are one symptom of this and thus the best way to make sense of land-value in and around cities across the west is the proximity to proper schools.

paleotrope• 1 year ago

I suppose the reason that city schools are dangerous for children is mostly because of the children in those schools. That's not a vox appropriate conversation.

drewcoo2• 1 year ago

"Good schools" probably wasn't mentioned because it's a dog whistle.

woodpanel2• 1 year ago

The nice thing about the concept of "dog whistles" is that believing in it is a clear marker of toxic persons.

America's fastest-growing suburbs are about to get expensive

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