New Italian Law Threatens ISPs with Prison over Piracy Reporting Failures

https://torrentfreak.com/isps-betrayed-over-pirate-site-blocking-threats-the-reckoning-will-be-invisible-241005/

by isaacfrond • 2 years ago

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napolux• 2 years ago

all true, unfortunately.

dfxm12• 2 years ago

I found this funny:

Interestingly, complying with Italian law could mean violating laws elsewhere

nickff• 2 years ago

It’s the case with many laws when strictly applied to international activities.

guappa2• 2 years ago

Despite Berlusconi himself being dead, his family still has media interests and is funding the parties that are currently in power. This is the way of returning the favour.

lou1306• 2 years ago

This is not really related to Mediaset, but rather to illegal streaming of football matches.

guappa2• 2 years ago

And mediaset has never ever transmitted a football match, right?

-_-'

The current government has done other laws in that sense. Which incidentally allow blocking any website.

lnxg33k15• 2 years ago

How much I hate this country, there is corruption every, schools going to pieces, air quality that is crap, people being robbed or killed if they step in the wrong corner, unemployment, youth dispersion, wealth inequality, public health going to hell, public transportation going to hell, but somehow the system manages to put their problems under the spotlight and still ask for less rights and more tax cuts

maremmano• 2 years ago

Born and raised in Italy. Your analysis is too optimistic. The country is doomed under countless other aspects. And the EU will follow. We should run away from this dystopia

lnxg33k15• 2 years ago

Born and raised in Naples, I ran away from here 13 years ago, but you run to US and end up going homeless if you get a flu? There's no hope .-.

krtha• 2 years ago

From the outside (I'm not Italian) it looks like Meloni did almost nothing. Lots of promises, but after the election first von der Leyen threatened her, then Meloni did a couple of photo-ops with Biden, Macron and Scholz. Then she was part of the club.

It always goes the same way.

lnxg33k15• 2 years ago

Yeah, the Meloni's cabinet is really a cabinet in the italian sense of the word

LtWorf5• 2 years ago

After years of promising italy first, she did USA first.

LtWorf5• 2 years ago

Remember that the corruption index is just about how much corruption people "think" there is. And italians are pessimists, so you get this idea.

In sweden or germany they're just as corrupt, but also believe to belong to a superior race, so keep repeating to themselves that these things only happen to those people with dark skin, not to them!

Plenty of corruption around me in sweden goes completely unpunished. They just pin it all on the low level guy (who's often an immigrant) and never involve any higher up (who's often not an immigrant).

0xCAP2• 2 years ago

Absolutely true. Italians love selling the story of how corrupted their country is. Despite it having roots in reality, it's no worse than most other eu countries.

frankohn• 2 years ago

This also happens because the Italian television dumbs people down. Now we have also the social media so there is very little hope things will get any better.

modmodmod• 2 years ago

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence

average_r_user• 2 years ago

Italy's hierarchy of power:

Football League SERIE A (Soccer for the US friends)

Government

Fire-Dragon-DoL4• 2 years ago

This seems crazy, but it is. Literally nobody cared about piracy until it started touching soccer

rurban2• 2 years ago

Wrong. Judges are independent there, so they rank higher than the government.

Two4• 2 years ago

Ah ok, here's an updated hierarchy:

Football SERIE A

Judiciary

Mafia | Government

Policia

Public

Non-italians

crest• 2 years ago

I would love to see the streaming providers cry should the handful relevant ISPs decide on collective action and block all sports streaming services because obviously allowing sports streaming is a giant liability. /s

aaomidi• 2 years ago

Legitimately do not get why Europe is so big on IP. Bigger than the actual producers of IP.

alephnerd• 2 years ago

Lobbying.

Entertainment, Telecom (Broadcasting, Media), and Pharma are overrepresented in most members of the EU, and the tech industry is underrepresented in much of the EU.

The US doesn't have similarly as draconian regulations because tech companies like Google and Netflix backed the EFF in lobbying against these kinds of regulations.

olliej2• 2 years ago

vs the US? The US is the reason why companies and sites the world over have to deal with DMCA triggered censorship, where an objectively and clearly erroneous (even fraudulent) notice must be responded to with a functionally non-rescindable take down that guarantees two weeks of content suppression with no compensation for the victims, and no penalties for the perpetrators.

You could say "google, etc have could check first" but the volume of notices they receive mean it is not fair to them either - checking every single claim manually, in the knowledge that if they ever get it wrong (even in good faith) they become a corporation engaging in piracy (so the 100k/violation limit applies afaict).

The fact that Google, et al seem unable to require a confirmed US contact, and correctly filed forms is similarly absurd -- I think this came up in the past, and G had said a bunch of "legitimate" (as in major corporations that had no excuse) DMCA filers keep filing incorrectly but were threatening lawsuits if G pushed back on them.

The reality is the DMCA needs to be amended (I am under no illusions of it ever being repealed, and to an extent it does enable platforms like YouTube, etc to exist) to:

* Require DMCA requests to be filed by entities with a confirmed legal US presence (allowing a delay in take down for confirmation of identity with a new reporter) - i.e. an entity that can be sued in the US, even if just a law firm,

* Allow responders to enforce stricter policies on requests for organizations that have made "mistakes" in the past (maybe starting with allowing a delay to permit a response from the target prior to takedown, requiring a bond, all the way through to disallowing requests from organizations and individuals that have made sufficient false claims - currently it does not matter how many erroneous claims are made, claims must basically be taken as accurate because they've been declared true)

* Allow delayed takedowns for fair use cases (ie. if the target content is a small part of the target content, allow someone to look at it manually to see if it's plausibly fair use, or require a deposit from the reporter to cover the penalty if the target is found to be fair use) - basically it's more reasonable to say "take down this post that is just my music/video/movie immediately" than "take down this 15 minute post because it has a 30s sample from my music/video/movie immediately". Especially when the latter is often used to censor criticism.

* Allow the responding organization and the subject of the takedown to separately receive compensation for erroneous and fraudulent claims, including associated legal costs. I think you need both to be able to demand compensation separately so that people targeting non-US victims can still be subjected to penalties and costs via google when the victim cannot sue, and so that they victims can also get compensated.

* Require prosecution of perjured DMCA claims (again, this is why confirmed US legal presence should be required for these claims)

But none of that will happen :-/

olliej2• 2 years ago

Are there prison penalties for false claims? No? Huh. Weird.

(Sorry, I can imagine their being penalties for an ISP/site operator erroneously reporting something, but nothing for media companies)

New Italian Law Threatens ISPs with Prison over Piracy Reporting Failures

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