TikToker finds clue in Interstellar that changes meaning of whole movie

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/interstellar-movie-tiktok-joseph-cooper-dead-b2586425.html

by Bluestein • 2 years ago

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JohnMakin2• 2 years ago

Fan theories are fun but usually extrapolate far too much off of innocuous (and likely accidental) clues. Post production cuts are often out of the control of the director entirely. If this was the intended meaning, it would have been far more explicit - Christopher Nolan isn't Edgar Allen Poe, he's making blockbuster movies meant for a general audience.

razodactyl• 2 years ago

Can't argue that it's not an interesting interpretation though... then again, pareidolia...

JohnMakin2• 2 years ago

I mean honestly, to me, it isn't - Dreams foreshadowing future events is an extraordinarily common film and storytelling trope and much likelier is what was intended.

Stuff like this:

“Then the dialogue, the words his kids speak, they sound so much like private thoughts that a person would have about a parent who suffered an untimely, accidental death.”

This is actually explained by following along with the plot. To them, he was for all intents and purposes dead - he fast traveled many decades into the future where they didn't hear from him.

FireBeyond• 2 years ago

Post production cuts are often out of the control of the director entirely.

How accurate is this? I could see it for movies where the director doesn't have much sway with the studio...

But I can imagine when you look at the likes of Scorsese, Coppola, The Coen Brothers, Spielberg, Wes Anderson and the like, they probably do have the sway with the studio to have "final cut" rights or at least approval.

gamblor9565• 2 years ago

Cuts are done by the editor of the film, usually but not always in consultation with the director.

Some directors also edit their films but that is the exception.

JumpCrisscross• 2 years ago

If this was the intended meaning

Directors will leave these sort of against-the-grain intepretations open for film buffs. One can similarly watch Dumbo, Encanto and Coraline as involving, past an early part of the movie, a character in the process of dying.

popalchemist• 2 years ago

Yes in general this is true, but not for Christopher Nolan. Everything is intentional and he has final cut on all of his films. Not saying this theory is true, but just that this particular argument against it doesn't hold water.

Rastonbury• 2 years ago

Have you seen Memento?

jmaker• 2 years ago

I thought that initial flight sequence was about his prior flight experience where he’d hit a turbulence and had to abandon, which later is referred to at that roundtable scene at the NASA meeting when they begin to mention the gravity clusters.

tedunangst3• 2 years ago

And this is why you don't pirate movies, kids. In the actual movie, it's not the exact same footage.

urbandw311er• 2 years ago

No way - is this comment for real? Don’t have a copy to hand to check. But if so then that’s hilarious that the proud “Tik-Tokker” (I am so sad that this is even a noun) has incriminated themselves!

adamomada3• 2 years ago

Are you implying that some pirate release out there took the time to actually edit the film to change the opening scene?

tedunangst3• 2 years ago

Well, it would be uncharitable of me to suggest the theorist needs his eyes checked, so I made my own fan theory to explain the confusion.

But seriously, resplicing is a common tactic to avoid copyright detection. The most popular YouTube video for the captain America civil war battle is recut and out of sequence. Imagine a fan theory "ant-man only enters the fight after..." based on this video.

adamomada3• 2 years ago

Yeah I was bored and checked - in the opening dream sequence there is blue sky and clouds, when they go to Miller’s planet it is overcast and grey skies.

gamblor9565• 2 years ago

The theory doesn't make any sense; unlike The Sixth Sense, the main character in Interstellar interacts with a lot of people. If he's dead, so are they (or they're just figments of his post-death experience).

The journey doesn't make any sense as a post-death experience, since none of the events are tied to his life (before the events of the movie), so there's no deeper meaning to the wave planet, or the ice planet, or falling into the black hole.

Also, Nolan doesn't do meta-contextual films. His specialty is the technical aspects of storytelling (see, e.g., Memento, The Prestige, Dunkirk, and Tenet), not in imbuing deeper emotional meanings into his works. Indeed, one of the big critiques of his films (excluding Dunkirk and Oppenheimer) was that they generally lack any emotional depth.

lo0dot0• 2 years ago

What do you mean by technical aspects of storytelling?

gamblor9565• 2 years ago

Structure, mostly. For example, in Memento telling the story backwards. In Inception, the nested dreams. In the Prestige, presenting the plot in the style of a magic trick (which the book does not do). In Tenet, telling the story backwards and forwards. In Dunkirk, mirroring the chaos of the evacuation with the chaotic/non-linear presentation of events.

whoiscroberts• 2 years ago

Another commenter says that the actual released film does not have the same clip twice and suggests that the TikTok maker watched a pirated version.can anyone else confirm the reuse of the clip?

robertlutece• 2 years ago

clips online also show two different shots [1][2], although the ships do seem to be identical to a fault.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5NPGC0jlRc&t=29s [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9pjBEnnh3A&t=107s

pndy2• 2 years ago

Considering the platform this "revelation" was published, I'd rather say that this guy tries to get views on his channel and 5 mins of the Internet fame, and well, he got it from the Independent.

I find more fascinating what some people tried to find in Kubrick's Odyssey: http://www.grundejerforeningentaarnborg.dk/stanley_elitens_m...

tayo42• 2 years ago

It has amassed a cult following for both theories around its meaning

What kind of meaning? It was a good, fun interesting movie, but overall message and issues it dealt with seemed pretty straight forward?

pndy2• 2 years ago

Yeah, I can't see any deep meaning - the story is simple and provided in digestible way, visuals are good and they even were praised for the scientific accuracy. Cast is pretty fine as well tho I personally didn't like Hathaway in it and at first I raised brow for McConaughey because I'm not really associating him with such films (despite his past role in Contact). It's enjoyable on par with Transcendence released earlier that year, but again: I hardly can see any way, reasons to dismantle it for solid theories.

valianteffort• 2 years ago

Fun theory but I don't buy it. Cooper meets people he never met before in his journey. You'd think if it were a trip into the afterlife he'd see his wife, or more people from his past besides Professor Mann.

TikToker finds clue in Interstellar that changes meaning of whole movie

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