A Cursory Look at Cursors

https://www.eno-writer.com/016-a-cursory-look-at-cursors/

by gcassie • 2 years ago

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Joker_vD• 2 years ago

It would be hard to imagine a program for editing text that doesn't have a cursor.

Ed is the standard text editor. It doesn't waste precious kilobytes on cursor positioning code.

Speaking seriously, this inherent need for the feedback from the user presentation layer back into the internals is why writing a decent multi-line editor with non-monospace fonts is such a nuisance.

bloopernova2• 2 years ago

What do people on HN use, and why? Box, underline, vertical bar? Flashing or not?

jareklupinski• 2 years ago

What do people on HN use

i just remember where the cursor is supposed to be :P

MikeTheGreat• 2 years ago

Obligatory: https://xkcd.com/378/ :)

aquova• 2 years ago

I use a non-flashing underline for no other reason than I like the look of it.

amitp• 2 years ago

I use a solid box in a terminal and for coding, and a vertical bar for writing in emacs org-mode. But I recently tried out a one-third box[1] in emacs and I am really loving it! It's partway between a box and an underline. Some software has a half-box option but I don't think MacOS Terminal or iTerm2 have that. [Edit: I was wrong — iTerm2 has an advanced setting for "underline cursor width"]

I used to use flashing but have that turned off right now, for reasons I can't remember.

[1] (setq-local cursor-type '(hbar . 8))

bloopernova2• 2 years ago

As a fellow Emacs and iTerm user, thank you for sharing, both of those look good to me :)

netmare• 2 years ago

I still prefer it the way it was when I started using computers with DOS 6.x and Windows 3.1: underline in console, bar in GUIs, block in both with overwrite mode. Always blinking of course. My problems with modern programs are 1) overwrite mode is usually not implemented and 2) moving the cursor does not reset the blink timer. The first I can understand (although it's trivial to do), but the second results in the cursor getting invisible when moving while pressing the arrow keys. It's the little things...

tomjen3• 2 years ago

Box if you are overwriting the next char, vertical bar if you are inserting. Dunno whenever you would use underline (I guess if it doesn't work with box for some reason)?

Thats the standard, anyway, so if you don't follow that, you are confusing your users.

samatman• 2 years ago

The standard in modal-land is box in normal mode and bar in insert mode. R for overwrite is an underline.

gcassie2• 2 years ago

I'd really like my cursor to kind of glow but my graphics programming skills are not at that level yet.

For editing, a block has more potential than a vertical bar because you always have context of a selected character to perform operations on (e.g. `x` to delete current char in vim). You can also do operations before and after that character (e.g. `i` vs `a` in vim).

lioeters• 2 years ago

My favorite style currently is bright yellow vertical bar (2~3px), non flashing, against a dark background.

PhilipRoman• 2 years ago

I used a bar until getting into vim, whose semantics are more box-like (with the cursed exception of the cursor moving one position back upon exiting insert mode, as if it were a bar)

Nowadays I like a box because it stands out on any color combination.

dexen• 2 years ago

I particularly like how in Acme, when selection is zero-width ("empty"), it is the cursor. Conversely selection can be extended from cursor in any direction.

As a side effect, this greatly simplifies the API for manipulating both.

gcassie2• 2 years ago

I actually used this pattern as well and I really like it. I store another property called `mark_idx`. When `cursor_idx` and `mark_idx` are the same then it's just a cursor. When they differ, the range between them is the selection.

danhau3• 2 years ago

What is Acme in this context? Id like to get an idea of what you mean.

tomjakubowski• 2 years ago

the acme text editor, originally from plan9

http://acme.cat-v.org/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M

RACEWAR• 2 years ago

https://plan9.io/sys/doc/acme/acme.html

A Cursory Look at Cursors

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