Honda and Nissan might team up against Tesla and other EV rivals

https://qz.com/honda-nissan-ev-auto-partner-tesla-byd-china-1851338514

by mikece • 2 years ago

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ramesh314• 2 years ago

Seems the market is ripe for the taking at this point. Tesla is at total market saturation in the US, and the brand has taken a complete nosedive thanks solely to the actions of one individual. As the target demographic and someone who dreamed of owning one one day, I will never even consider it at this point, and their stock price is reflecting that reality. I'd be calling for blood if I were a shareholder.

dylan6045• 2 years ago

As the target demographic and someone who dreamed of owning one one day

I don't know if it's one of those sunlight = best disinfectant situations where the bloom has fallen off of Tesla's rose as time has gone on, or if it is the rush to gain market share has caused quality to decline, or the original reviews were just shills. However, I too refuse to contribute one cent to the increasing of that one individual's wealth because I find them to be a loathsome individual. Setting that aside, their decisions on being the champion of telematics, OTA updates/modifications without your approval, the increasing use of touch screen controls, and all of the other things that have all just added up to never wanting to own one of these cars. That negativity has not soured my desire for owning an EV, just not a Tesla

cdchn5• 2 years ago

Don't forget their abysmal safety record and bait-and-switch "Full Self Driving!"

AnarchismIsCool2• 2 years ago

Yeah, seconded. Tesla is representative of everything wrong with EV design. Yes, they came in and disrupted everything wrong with ICE design, but they've created a monster. The touchscreens for opening the glove box, the software feature lockout, the lack of repair-ability...I mean cars used to come with a wiring schematic. We need cars buit like the ATX computer standard, something EVs are especially well positioned to do, not built like the IPone.

entropicgravity2• 2 years ago

On the upside Tesla is at least putting back the horn in the middle of steering wheel, so there could be a glimmer of hope.

shlubbert• 2 years ago

Add "getting distracted by hideous vanity projects like the Cybertruck" to that list.

AtlasBarfed2• 2 years ago

Every automotive CEO has been complicit for a hundred years in polluting the environment and killing millions of people with air pollution, millions with substandard safety and excessively large vehicles, and likely billions with global warming in the future, and a mass extinction of species.

Musk busts unions (like every other CEO), gropes women, is a bad ex-husband/father, and tweets right-wing mean tweets. OMG WORST PERSON EVER.

No I'm not giving him sole credit for Tesla/SpaceX/etc, no he is not god messiah of the earthworms.

The touchscreens are out of control, though, that is undeniable.

Tesla should have bought Nissan or some other failing mainline car company and rolled out EV tech with their traditional designs, but... that had to happen a decade ago. No point now.

flippinfloppin• 2 years ago

When they get around to making a $30K model, I definitely look forward to getting one.

entropicgravity2• 2 years ago

Musk keeps talking about the $25k EV but I have a feeling he's sandbagging it and it will be close to $20k. I say this because Tesla now has all the tech to produce cars in the simplest and cheapest manner with slightly lower quality versions of the bits and pieces that are now going into their premium cars. Ie slightly cheaper versions of the motors, battery packs (smaller but fast charging), interiors, window etc. All in the form of a modern Tercel.

bryanlarsen2• 2 years ago

Telsa has a market share of 4.2%. It is hardly "total market saturation".

The vehicle market is the relevant metric, not the EV market. At this point they're the same market. Tesla is competing against all cars, not just other EV's.

ramesh314• 2 years ago

Market saturation !== 100% total market share.

iPhone has a 25% market share, yet everyone who wants (and can afford) an iPhone has one, i.e saturated. It means either innovation or price drops are required for further growth.

martinky242• 2 years ago

I'd very much prefer is Honda didn't team up with Nissan. Nissan has gone to shit in the last decade.

ramesh314• 2 years ago

I'd very much prefer is Honda didn't team up with Nissan.

To be fair, they are a technological leader in the EV industry. The Leaf was the first purpose built, mass produced EV released in the US, and they have over 15 years of R&D put into it, including their own battery tech. The hatred for Nissan over the past decade has come soley from it's association with FCA, which has no hand in the Japanese EV operations.

Kirby64• 2 years ago

What, exactly, has Nissan done with their 15 year R&D lead on EVs exactly? Best I can tell, they sell a car that is largely the same as the original Leaf, but with better range… still the same crap uncooled battery pack with mediocre range vs price and underwhelming specs.

Sure, they just released the Ariya, but that just seems like yet another crossover to compete with Ioniq 5, Mach E, model Y, at a similar price point no less. If they have the technological lead, they’ve surely squandered it.

mcbishop• 2 years ago

I love my 2019 Leaf. Harsh unsubstantiated criticism sucks.

alistairSH• 2 years ago

So, is the Honda Blazer EV going to be a one model year orphan? Yikes.

cdchn5• 2 years ago

BWM parts in Toyotas, Honda teaming up with NISSAN of all things. Wild times!

tibbydudeza3• 2 years ago

Nissan is technically part of Renault-Nissan - Renault has the Zoe EV.

cdchn5• 2 years ago

Nissan is the automaker that I would most analogize to an uncle with a drug problem.

tibbydudeza3• 2 years ago

Everybody is scared of BYD - they just released a below 10,000 USD EV in Australia and it does not seem like a pile of junk.

They are targeting low, mid range and even have a Ferrari/Porsche EV in the works.

the-chitmonger• 2 years ago

I wonder if anyone has had experience importing a BYD to the US - it looks like you need to get independent certifications to prove that the car is safe if it doesn't conform to US automotive standards. I might need a new car in the next 6 months, so I hope it's cheaper than paying for an EV sold at a dealership here.

jamamp• 2 years ago

It'll be nice to see increased competition and, hopefully as a result, costs being driven down along with more advanced designs.

bilsbie• 2 years ago

I say this all the time but I’d love a barebones EV focused on privacy, safety, and maintainability.

I even think a $16K EV with 100 miles range would be hugely popular as a second vehicle for most families. Just don’t make it look ridiculous.

A “second vehicle” would really be the perfect niche for EV’s right now.

Honda and Nissan might team up against Tesla and other EV rivals

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