The Digital Markets Act is in force What happens now?

https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/the-digital-markets-act-is-in-force-what-happens-now/

67 29 2 years ago

The Digital Markets Act (DMA) is now in force. Here's a breakdown of what that means.

matricaria• 2 years ago

I’m very excited about WhatsApp having to interoperate with other messengers. As far as I know this starts Monday. But I also read that most other messengers are not interested as it would hurt their users privacy.

Does anyone know if interoperability with XMPP or Matrix will be possible?

MattJ100• 2 years ago

XMPP and Matrix already have WhatsApp bridges, though through they are not officially supported or accepted by WhatsApp.

Hopefully what will change now is that such bridges can be updated to use officially-supported methods, which (if WhatsApp play nice) means they will be more reliable and user-friendly than they are today.

bcye• 2 years ago

Isn't the bigger issue that these bridges require you still to have a whatsapp account? So it's just a different frontend, but you're still bound by Meta's TOS, PP and data collection.

HarrisonFisk• 2 years ago

https://engineering.fb.com/2024/03/06/security/whatsapp-mess...

PlutoIsAPlanet• 2 years ago

In fairness to Facebook this is a very well written and fair post.

This is how the DMA should be done.

Arathorn• 2 years ago

https://element.io/blog/the-eu-digital-markets-act-is-here/ gives some answers on the Matrix side

Klaus232• 2 years ago

I didn't know about the "free of charge" clause. Apple's Core Technology Fee will be absolutely destroyed.

occz• 2 years ago

I would love to see the EU swiftly put down the law and make an example of Apple in this case. I'm sure it won't take too many 10% of global revenue-fines before they get in line.

nozzlegear2• 2 years ago

Why should the EU fine 10% of Apple's global revenue when they're violating an EU-specific law? Shouldn't they just fine 10% of EU revenue?

I'm sure it won't take too many 10% of global revenue-fines before they get in line.

I'm sure it won't take too many of those before Apple just decides to leave the EU wholesale, as it only accounts for around 10% of their own annual revenue.

nolok• 2 years ago

Apple's entire answer to the DMA will be destroyed, just like how they rolled back on PWA.

It's super weird because it feels like they were dealing with the US public instead of EU : they are FAR from the same market share here, and the public is much more not only tolerant but asking for regulations.

It can't be that simple because they have a lot of very smart people dealing with those things, but I still don't get what they thought they would accomplish trying to weaponize their customers like that.

It reminds me of the GDPR and companies making threat, culminating with Meta saying if the GDPR is passed then facebook and instagram would leave the EU market, which got answer by the french and german gov by "okay, you go right ahead". We know how that one ends. You earn a lot more dozens of billions by complying than by leaving out of spite.

Kon-Peki• 2 years ago

The problem with the DMA's "free of charge" language is that the DMA sits below the WIPO treaties [1] in terms of its legal authority.

Under this treaty, authors are provided with the exclusive rights of distribution and rental and with a broader right of communication to the public of their works in the digital environment. Computer programs are protected as literary works and the arrangement or selection of data or other material in databases is also protected. Specific protection is also provided for technological measures and electronic rights management information used to identify and manage works.

The DMA's "free of charge" doesn't mean what everyone wants it to mean :-/

[1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/accession...

burnerthrow008• 2 years ago

Apple's Core Technology Fee will be absolutely destroyed.

Google doesn’t seem to think so: https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/06/google-announces-the-new-f...

Klaus232• 2 years ago

I don't think the two are at all comparable.

Google's External offers program is the ability to pay a percentage to allow apps installed through Google Play to link directly to external offers.

Apple's Core Technology Fee, on the other hand, is a fee per app if the developer uses alternative app stores.

classified2• 2 years ago

Rumors have it that Apple won't remove home screen web apps in iOS 17.4 after all, but I don't trust them. Did anybody install 17.4 already? Are home screen web apps still there?

dannymoerkerke3• 2 years ago

Yes, the work correctly again in the EU.

kruuuder• 2 years ago

It's not a rumor, Apple has officially confirmed it, see https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu#d...

classified2• 2 years ago

Where in that endless wall of corporate effluent do they speak about home screen web apps?

gorbypark3• 2 years ago

A bit off topic, but does anyone know how "EU" only features/changes are determined? I'm Canadian by citizenship but live in Europe. My Apple account is still tied to Canada mainly due to having my Canadian bank/credit cards tied to that account. Would I need to officially change countries? Start a new Apple account? Does it matter that my phone was purchased in Canada? I'm hoping that it might be tied to the SIM card somehow, since I have a European carrier, obviously.

dannymoerkerke3• 2 years ago

It is tied to your SIM card so when in the EU you should get the European "features".

gorbypark3• 2 years ago

That's great news, thanks!

yogorenapan• 2 years ago

What if you don’t have a SIM card?

The Digital Markets Act is in force What happens now?

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