Campfire

https://once.com/campfire

by tosh • 2 years ago

67 29 2 years ago

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cranberryturkey2• 2 years ago

how is this better than rocket.chat?

sleepyhead3• 2 years ago

"without a subscription"

rakoo• 2 years ago

If you download and install Rocket.chat there's no subscription, like Campfire

PhilipA2• 2 years ago

It is a shame that the only take on how to compete against Slack is on price. Nothing new and different seems to have been done to the product.

sleepyhead3• 2 years ago

Campfire was originally launched way before Slack though.

PhilipA2• 2 years ago

Yes, but we are in 2024. Our expectations of products have changed, and especially after their fresh look on their email product, I hoped they had a new take on corporate chat as well.

thiago_fm• 2 years ago

Mattermost is better and free

theshrike79• 2 years ago

Mattermost also supports Slack webhooks directly, which is a huge thing for integrations

gabrielgio• 2 years ago

It is not free, just the first tier.

cjpearson• 2 years ago

The idea of a simpler, less bloated Slack is definitely appealing to me as a user, but I'm not sure there's much of a market. What kind of companies are they targeting here? Small enough that user access dialog is usable and the lack of features/integrations is acceptable, but also willing to pay $300 and take on the trouble of self-hosting.

My biggest issue is with the UI though. Without watching the video I wouldn't know what half the buttons do. Many of them have multiple actions/states and there are no labels or tooltips for buttons.

Forms do have labels, but you have to click an icon to read them. It seems the only benefit of this is that you can also see what the label is in French, but unless you're translating the app, most users would prefer to just see the label in the language of their choice. And there are some dialogs where just English text is shown, so this isn't entirely consistent. Maybe I'm totally missing something here, but I think simply having a user select their preferred language isn't something that needed to be innovated away.

nerdwaller• 2 years ago

They did a live stream this morning and said they've already crossed the six figure mark on the initial private/soft launch. I was pretty surprised by that, as similarly I questioned the market.

crabmusket• 2 years ago

My gut instinct was that this wouldn't compete with Slack, but with Element or Mattermost.

ChrisArchitect• 2 years ago

Official post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39219912

poszlem2• 2 years ago

My main issue with this new Campfire thing is that since it's self-hosted, my boss can basically read all my chats with coworkers. Sure, Slack's priciest plan lets them do that too, but most Slack setups I've seen don't bother. Plus, Slack itself isn't as likely to snoop through my messages about pay raises or thinking about quitting, unlike my employer.

dcchambers• 2 years ago

Idk this seems like a non-issue...Are people really having chats they shouldn't have via a work chat? I thought we knew better than that. I wouldn't trust ANY chat platform managed by my employer with those types of messages.

bbx• 2 years ago

You'd be surprised how much private conversations are had on a work chat. And even if some conversations don't discuss anything critical, it could still be used against you somehow.

JohnFen• 2 years ago

my boss can basically read all my chats with coworkers.

What are you talking about that would be bad for your employer to hear to begin with? Non-work-related discussions should never happen on work machines.

lopkeny12ko• 2 years ago

Uh, any entity who operates a service and is responsible for managing its database can read your data. Slack's database engineers can read your chats too.

poszlem2• 2 years ago

Yeah, I specifically addressed that in the post. Slack is not really that interested in me potentially thinking of leaving my employer or about me talking with a work friend about wanting to get a raise.

My employer might be.

nickjj• 2 years ago

Plus, Slack itself isn't as likely to snoop through my messages about pay raises or thinking about quitting, unlike my employer.

Slack absolutely has a way to export all data (including private direct messages), it's documented here: https://slack.com/help/articles/201658943-Export-your-worksp...

Since your employer would be the organization owner or admin of the Slack account that would allow them to check into everything that anyone has ever said.

ozten• 2 years ago

Interesting that Campfire and Once brands doesn't build on 37signals' brand.

AdrenalinMd• 2 years ago

Interesting. What I was most curious about are the backups of the database. Couldn't find any mention of it.

ukz• 2 years ago

It’s SQLite. Maybe do a periodic rsync or S3.

mixcocam• 2 years ago

Is it possible to construct a container like the one built for campfire but for something like GitLab or Mattermost?

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