TÜV vehicle report 2024 – Tesla Model 3, most issues (German)

https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2024/

by tmikaeld • 3 years ago

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asylteltine3• 3 years ago

Tesla makes low quality cars for premium prices

mensetmanusman2• 3 years ago

When compared to ICE, yes.

patall• 3 years ago

I mean they point out the issue quite clearly. The breaks are used less which leads to them failing.

asylteltine3• 3 years ago

Compared to any car. The f-150 lighting (not that I would ever buy a pickup truck) is less expensive and higher quality than the cybertruck. Once companies that actually know how to make cars fully invest into electric, small time players like Tesla and rivian will be in trouble.

saiya-jin• 3 years ago

I wonder if they ever consider moving side lights into steering wheel that happened with newest revision of Model 3, so their location keeps changing if you turn steering wheel. Colleague has it and he hates it with passion, I was even surprised this could pass european homologisation since its obvious security risk.

dtx13• 3 years ago

Those rules are only there to keep new car companies from becoming competition to the existing car industry. Once you are big enough, they don't really apply.

edit: Downvote me all you like but just look at what for example VW did in the emissions scandal. Not like anyone went to jail for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

dumbo-octopus10• 3 years ago

Given there was a recall, a $1B fine, and a judgement that VW must refund customers the full cost of the car, they clearly do apply. Saying people must be imprisoned is moving the goalposts.

Oh, and execs quite literally did go to prison: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-southkorea-idU....

thebruce87m• 3 years ago

I’m hoping the EU forces them to change this before I’m shopping for another vehicle.

Or everyone else sorts out the charging network. Either works for me.

VBprogrammer2• 3 years ago

When you say "side lights" you mean the indicators or what an American might call "blinkers"?

There does seem to be a lot of innovation for innovations sake at Tesla. Like putting in a yoke style steering wheel but not actually going the whole hog to make the turning response dynamic. Or moving critical features into the on screen menus.

dumbo-octopus10• 3 years ago

It's innovation for the sake of cost cutting, nothing else. Putting buttons on a steering wheel isn't innovative in any way (or at least it hasn't been for the last 20+ years), but it is cheap.

avar2• 3 years ago

There does seem to be a lot of innovation for innovations sake at Tesla.

The latest example is that the physical buttons to change gears on the Cybertruck are located in the ceiling near the rear view mirror.

Lutzb2• 3 years ago

There is something weird in this chart. Clicking on the individual statistics ("Tesla Model 3") shows that it has excellent stats.

https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-mod...

Ah, okay confusing. The original link is about quality issues. The individual statistics are about breakdown statistics.

So quality wise, checked by the TÜV (prerequisite for operating a vehicle in Germany) - not good.

Breakdown statistics, tracked by the ADAC (largest automotive club in Germany) - excellent.

tommek4077• 3 years ago

It is weird for you to see different things in two totally different statistics? Hauptuntersuchung != Pannenstatistik.

The first checks whether it is safe to drive with this specific car on German streets. The second is about how often the ADAC had to help people whose cars broke down.

fundatus• 3 years ago

Accidents/breakdowns per 1.000 cars is obviously not the same thing as number of failed inspections. Also: All new cars in that price range have excellent stats in the statistic you mentioned.

vardump2• 3 years ago

I was pretty shocked Toyota RAV4 model year 2020 is about 12 times more likely to break down than a Tesla Model 3.

And 21x more for same comparison with model year 2019!

So not all cars have excellent statistics.

mg2• 3 years ago

When you click on the name, you get the "Pannenstatistik". Which sounds like it is how many cars insured by ADAC had a problem on the road.

The chart on the "TÜV-Report" seems to be what percentage of cars turned out to have a problem when routinely checked in a garage.

phit_• 3 years ago

those are accident stats, not inspections

mr_inspector2• 3 years ago

your link refers to "pannen" which means breakdowns, e.g. your car dying on the highway.

OPs article refers to a report by TÜV which inspects cars every 3 (for older cars every two years) to ensure that they dont have any flaws and are compliant with regulation. This inspection is mandatory in Germany.

source: am German, but not a subject matter expert.

vardump2• 3 years ago

Indeed. Teslas seem to be one of the least likely cars to break down: https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/unfall-schaden-panne/a...

I suppose those inspection failures are often about unused break pads. Perhaps Tesla should prompt the user to occasionally use breaks to keep them from rusting?

Lutzb2• 3 years ago

Definitely: Some manufacturers do this for other onboard systems (e.g. exhaust gas treatment). Tesla should use the break pads occasionally instead of relying on recuperation.

pytonslange• 3 years ago

Tesla does this to some extent automatically.

> To ensure brakes remain responsive in cold and wet weather, Model 3 is equipped with brake disc wiping. When cold and wet weather is detected, this feature repeatedly applies an imperceptible amount of brake force to remove water from the surface of the brake discs.

mavhc4• 3 years ago

https://car-recalls.eu/reliability/reliability-tuv-report-20...

The average Tesla has driven almost twice as far as most of the top 10

ramboldio• 3 years ago

TL;DR

15% of Model 3's fail the mandatory audit after 2 years due to 'considerable defects'.

mg2• 3 years ago

And the average across all 2-3 year old cars is 5%.

It does not tall us much unless we would also get some information on how expensive it is to fix the problem.

A 5% problem rate can be worse than a 15% rate if the cars in the 5% category have issues that are more than 3x more expensive to fix.

rasz• 3 years ago

They fail TÜV. You fail TÜV if you polish your headlight glass, or mount replacement panel/bumper/hitch without special certificate.

tbarbugli• 3 years ago

I wonder how biased TUV is in this report. I guess I will never know because I don't read german. It does sound odd to see Tesla at the top in a market they share with: Skoda, Logan, Citroen, Renault, Seat, Fiat, ...

mr_inspector2• 3 years ago

I would doubt this report is biased. It's an aggregation of mandatory audits that cars have to go through every 3/2 years in Germany.

sottol• 3 years ago

You could maybe say that German cars are are built taking the German inspections into account, I doubt it's high on Tesla's list of concerns (both in terms of being a US company and market size, for now).

The inspection is very rigorous, btw.

avar2• 3 years ago

The EV-specific failure they cite first is that they're finding EV's have reduced braking performance, basically because people are relying on regenerative braking to the point where their brake pads are rusting apart.

Usually this sort of thing only happens to the handbrake, e.g. to drivers of vehicles with an automatic transmission that place a lot of faith in the performance of their transmission's parking pawl.

If this sounds weird you probably haven't driven in Germany.

I love driving there, but if there's one country where I'd buy that a substantial number of drivers are OCD enough to have trained themselves to literally never press the brake pedal, it's the Germans.

ZeroGravitas• 3 years ago

I read this via Firefox translate, and noticed that one of the numbers changed, from 5.7% to 55.7% which is interesting.

TÜV vehicle report 2024 – Tesla Model 3, most issues (German)

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