Ask HN: Launched my free app, now what?

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by BlueSkies • 18 years ago

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I just recently launched my free Twitter bookmarklet app called BigTweet http://bigtweet.com and got my first review http://bit.ly/TiPs

I'm interested in pursuing the freemium model and would like to begin working on some "pro" subscription based features for interfacing to Twitter. Should I let BigTweet grow on its own and work on the advanced features, or spend most of my time enhancing the free version and develop some viral components?

How much time do you spend on developing versus promoting?

noodle2• 18 years ago

improve the application itself, first. before you start charging for anything, it at the very least needs some polish.

as for development vs promotion, most of the work you'll do to promote your app will probably not generate much attention. figure out what will be most effective and go do that. you're on your own right now, so you don't want to waste a lot of time on things that may or may not work out.

BlueSkies7• 18 years ago

As I improve the application, would it be reasonable to mark some features as "pro", but not charge for them yet? The idea is to let users know that these particular features are free for now, but will eventually require a subscription.

I suppose I could include a checkbox to "enable" pro features rather than label them directly.

NoBSWebDesign• 18 years ago

If you are going to charge for the features, you should not make them free, even to begin with. By doing so, you create an initial value in the users' minds of what those features are worth... $0. If anything, charge for the Pro features and gain a good user base (though you might not sell a single Pro account), and then have a one-day special where users can sign up for a month of Pro for free (or something along those lines). This allows them to get a taste of the Pro without eroding the perceived value.

You might also consider making the whole thing free and asking for donations to help you keep the project going and continue improving it and adding features.

As far as building a sustainable business goes, Twitter can't even do that from their own service. It will be difficult at best for you.

trickjarrett2• 18 years ago

You need a dedicated audience first before you can begin charging money. You need to just build the app and make this app something the users come to rely on. Twitter is a service designed on simplicity of use and so it isn't exactly prohibitive for them to just not use your app. Charging money might see a few conversions but on the whole, you're not ready for it.

teej• 18 years ago

Start work on your next project, or apply for a better job with this as a portfolio piece. To be honest, it's probably much easier to get a 5-10k raise somewhere else with this extra experience than it will be to get people to pay.

livando• 18 years ago

I concur with your advice. BigTweet is a nice little add on that the author should be proud of, but few would pay for. But if you keep rolling out apps, the port and exp will grow. Before you know it you have google jet money!

cmer• 18 years ago

IMO, hire a graphic/ui designer. No offense, but it's butt ugly.

BlueSkies7• 18 years ago

No offense taken :)

I'm a back-end programmer without much UI experience. I was trying for a simplistic layout. Any specific suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks!

timae2• 18 years ago

I agree on the ugly factor. A simple, temporary fix might be to center everything (after moving the "just drag.." text below the two subtitles near the logo). Some things are aligned left, some centered, doesn't flow well.

Also, the logo (specifically the font used) is very 90s. Pick something cleaner.

sharkbrainguy• 18 years ago

The page doesn't work very well without Javascript. In my opinion/experience it's better to create a page in a fully usable form without javascript first. Then write a nicer/flashier/*er interface in non-intrusive javascript ( i.e. not inline javscript on elements but in a seperate .js file )

Don't forget to include a friendly reminder "This page has features that require javascript" for the paranoid freakjobs who have javascript off ).

I see that you're pulling in: Prototype - from GoogleAPIs, YUI - from YahooAPIs, Tab.js - from Uservoice ( Who I've never heard of )

As a Tinfoil hat wearing NoScript user that's alot for me click allow on and seems very messy.

Surely all the functionality you use/need/want could be provided by Prototype OR YUI ( or my favourites Mootools or jQuery )

On the design front. Please, please, please get rid of those Image Headings that look like they're from cooltext.com in favour of a Text Header and a Text Link. The Black Border around the whole site probably isn't winning you any friends and the text layout needs some fixing.

For the section about installing the bookmarklet I would: Put a heading on it like "Get Started Now!". Change the tense of "Help me" to "Need help installing?". use a border/background-color/different font to separate it better, although a heading could do this. Align the top of it with the top of something else.

tectonic• 18 years ago

I too would like advice on how to find a UI designer to clean up an existing site without paying a fortune?

trickjarrett2• 18 years ago

Designers are not all super expensive. I'd recommend hitting your regional Craigslist and posting on there, ask for resume / portfolios, and negotiate a price.

Tip #1: Pay them, and make it clear you'll pay them. Designers get shit upon so much and get all sorts of 'hey just do this design for me to build your portfolio' - 99% of them are sick of hearing that.

Tip #2: Have a clear vision of what you want. The quick way to suffering and painfully dealing with a designer is to not give them any limits or guidelines. Don't design it for them, but if you don't tell them where you want to go, how can you get pissed at them when they go their way and it isn't what you're looking for? Most of them won't take a job without a clear layout of what it is you want anyways.

Tip #3: Communicate. If you like a design, try to figure out what you like so they can replicate the look in other parts of the site. If you don't like a design, tell them why so they can fix that one part.

noodle2• 18 years ago

becoming a competent ui designer, not exceptional, is a task that can be undertaken in a manner similar to learning a language or technology. you won't be able to make a visual masterpiece, but you'll be able to make something that is color coordinated and somewhat visually appealing.

rokhayakebe• 18 years ago

I ll second that. Appearance is more than most think.

swombat2• 18 years ago

No one will pay you any money for a bookmarklet. Seriously. That's not a business, it's just a hobby at best.

BlueSkies7• 18 years ago

Doesn't it depend on what is behind the bookmarklet? In this case the bookmarklet is launching an application within the web page the user is browsing. Does it matter that the (BigTweet) application is "mobile" rather than at a fixed web site?

Granted, the current functionality is nothing that I would expect anyone to pay for.

As an example, what if the bookmarklet happened to open up a full featured word processor with all the bells and whistles? Not sure that you can say that the product wouldn't be worth anything just because the invocation happened through a bookmarklet ...

swombat2• 18 years ago

No, the medium is intrinsically wrong. Bookmarklets are easy to copy for free. Perhaps if your bookmarklet led to or interfaced with a fully fledged application, people might be willing to pay for the application - but then the bookmarklet is mostly irrelevant, or at the least is not the central appeal, much like del.icio.us's toolbar is omnipresent and yet not presented as the navel of the application.

I maintain - no one will pay for a bookmarklet, so a website that starts with "we provide a bookmarklet that..." is doomed to remain a hobby.

Sam_Odio• 18 years ago

Like others have said, the site looks horrible. My first reaction was to turn and run. After trying it out, I actually found it pretty cool. It's similar to tr.im's bookmarklet.

I'd spend the majority repeating the cycle of adding/refining features and getting feedback from users. Eventually you'll could evolve the project into something new & innovative.

Don't spend too much time on promotion, but do a few things to get the word out. Do you have a business twitter account & blog? Use it to announce new features.

BlueSkies7• 18 years ago

I did setup an account @bigtweet but do most of my twittering @scott_carter

webwright• 18 years ago

I'd agree with some folks that there is no business here.

If you envision a business here, I'd write down exactly what you're going to build that people will pay for, then ask 50 Twitter users if they'd pay for it. If 10% say yes (and you believe them). If not, punt.

paul92902• 18 years ago

Well maybe bit.ly would like to buy it or betaworks can hire/buy you and your tech. It beats their bookmarklet service!

paul92902• 18 years ago

I have been using bit.ly and this is cool, but automatically when i hit bigtweet bookmark thing I think it should create the short URL and plop it right into the twitter text box.

Im lazy I want to click bookmarklet toolbar thing..see the short URL in twitter box, type my twitter around it and hit submit.

Overall nice job..something I will use and Im sure others will too.

BlueSkies7• 18 years ago

BigTweet can already do this!

The short URL is automatically created. If you check the checkbox "Automatically append short URL of current page" then the text area is automatically populated with this short URL. The same can be done for the web page title.

Give it a try and let me know if there is something else you are expecting or would like to see. You can reply to me @scott_carter

Thanks

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