Mari0=Mario + Portal ..Open source game

by rjim86 • 14 years ago

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wsxiaoys• 14 years ago

It's developed in love2d(https://love2d.org/), a 2d game framework in lua.

beloch• 14 years ago

Interesting mashup. Rad advert. How long before it gets taken down by lawyers and will the programmer wind up working at Nintendo or Valve?

JoshTriplett• 14 years ago

Ideally someone will create a FOSS tileset for it that transparently substitutes for the current Mario set. The gameplay itself seems fine; platformers seem perfectly safe as long as they don't use Mario graphics, and as for the portal mechanic, that has plenty of precedent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_hole

rplnt• 14 years ago

You cannot patent game-play mechanics. But then... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tetris_Company#Legal_enforc...

city41• 14 years ago

They would possibly need to redo all the levels too, as they are tile for tile taken from Super Mario Bros.

toyg2• 14 years ago

I was actually surprised it came out, they had some teasers on Reddit a few days ago and I thought Nintendo laywers would have showed up by now. Copying game mechanics is not a big deal, but reusing trademarked and copyrighted sprites (of the main franchise from one of the richest companies on the planet!) is a bit too much.

bermanoid• 14 years ago

Yeah, this seems like an awful lot of work to be throwing at something that is crystal clear copyright and trademark infringement.

In all likelihood, all that will happen is he'll get a C+D letter, but it's dangerous territory, he's wide open to be sued for real money here, and this sort of case is a slam-dunk.

randyburden• 14 years ago

Whoa, that's pretty cool and happens to be two of my favorite games :)

drivebyacct2• 14 years ago

This is a really cool concept, I love that it's open source and Lua adds a fun kick. I'll be honest, I'm awful at it though. It's extremely hard for me to control mario and the portal gun. It's strange because I love classic mario and like to think I'm pretty good at solving Portal fast.

Maybe I just need to practice more? Does anyone here feel proficient? I've seen videos of people doing some crazy things with it already, I'm jealous.

fceccon2• 14 years ago

I've been playing Super Mario World for 15 years and I died a couple of times in the first level. I think running and jumping does not "feel right" as in SMW.

I've just tried to compare the controls and they seems to behave exactly the same, so I don't know what it is — probably it's because I play this kind of game better with a controller.

saurik• 14 years ago

I thought you were able to control Mario more while he was in the air than you seem to be able to in this rendition.

tommorris• 14 years ago

No, it's not just that. I've played the NES and SNES versions of Mario on an emulator. The controls on Mari0 do feel rather clunky in comparsion. I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it is though.

KTamas• 14 years ago

I second that. Loved the concept, but the portal gun in the game is very inconvenient.

rmc6• 14 years ago

I love that it's open source

Technically not open source. It's released under a Creative Commons CC-NC-SA which is not an open source licence, and is not approved by OSI nor FSF

However, the source is available, and it's CC, which isn't exactly a propriatry programme.

emillon• 14 years ago

It's open source, but not free software.

Trufa• 14 years ago

I'm curios, the difinition of open source implies (demands) more than making the source code available?

Just in case I'm not talking in a broad sense, I'm asking whether just being able to see the code is enough to consider a piece of software open source.

Thabks

wcarss2• 14 years ago

I get that these terms do have specific meanings, but it bothers me that those meanings are so restrictive as to be unintuitive to someone not steeped in the dogma of the community.

These people made the source openly available and, by the CC license applied, can't it be modified and redistributed? That feels like "openness" to me. Thus, this feels like "open source", but technically the open source proprietors haven't opened the term "open source", so it's not.

Or have I misunderstood the license in this case? I admit, I am posting before looking, because the time it would take to look could make my post irrelevant.

Correction: I just went and looked. The license acts as I expected and has a digestible compact form for easy consumption.

Now I've gone and looked at the OSI site, and the CC license is not one they have approved. Yet they provide the material on the OSI site as CC licensed.

This distinction suddenly just seems dumb. Can someone elucidate it, or its use, please?

benatkin• 14 years ago

Thankfully OSI was unable to get a trademark on "open source" so people are at liberty to use the term as they please. I accept the OP's use of the term. You might reject it but please say why you don't think it should be considered to be open source.

a3_nm• 14 years ago

Just a small detail, but the license is Creative Commons BY-NC-SA, so this is not really open source (not OSI-compliant).

pygy_• 14 years ago

You can do opens source without being OSI compliant. They don't own the concept. As long as the source is readable, it is open, even if you can't redistribute it, or distribute a binary built out of it.

In this case:

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ says that

    You are free:
      * to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
      * to Remix — to adapt the work

    Provided that you (paraphrased):
      * (BY) — give proper credit to the original the author,
      * (NC) — don't use it commercially,
      * (SA) — publish your modifications with the same license.

Beside the non-commercial clause, when applied to source code, it is roughly equivalent to a BSD/MIT license.

bnr• 14 years ago

> Beside the non-commercial clause, when applied to source code, it is roughly equivalent to a BSD/MIT license.

More like the GPL, SA is CC's copyleft.

mseebach3• 14 years ago

The BSD and MIT licenses make no mention of commercial usage? The NC clause is exactly what makes it incompatible with all FOSS licenses.

rmc6• 14 years ago

Yes, "open source" is not a protected term, nor a trademarked term, so anyone can call anything "open source".

However for lots of people who deal with software, calling this "open source" is highly misleading and at worst disingenuous. Within the open source software (and wider software world), it's quite clear and non-subjective whether software is open source. There are numerous, nearly entirely harmonious definitions of "open source". Under those rules, within that community, this is not "open source".

jawr• 14 years ago

Loving the mashup, awesome idea. Also thanks for the link to love2d, looks like a brilliant framework.

ranit8• 14 years ago

The former submission with links to other Portal mashups: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2939097

Not played Mari0 yet, but I loved Not Tetris from the same authors.

omega32• 14 years ago

I remember I always wanted to play Mario when I was little but I couldn't because I was too poor. So, I do love that if I don't do ANYTHING with the Portal gun, it's actually just the original. (But, of course I'm still using the portal gun)

GoodIntentions2• 14 years ago

The author should put his talent to work on something that _won't_ get him sued. :(

Wondering how long till that domain renders an ICE homepage.

missing_cipher• 14 years ago

I don't see him asking for money anywhere, so at most he'll get a cease and desist. Of course if he doesn't comply then things would get worse.

Plus from what I understand Nintendo has been pretty lax with these sort of projects lately and I don't think Valve would do anything either.

GoodIntentions2• 14 years ago

Really? That's cool if you're right.

It's obviously something done for the love of doing it and doesn't portray the original projects in a bad light. Hopefully they don't pull the plug on him.

icebraining4• 14 years ago

I don't see him asking for money anywhere, so at most he'll get a cease and desist.

Neither was Jammie Thomas-Rasset, and yet she was still convicted and ordered to pay $222000 (now it has dropped to $54000).

INTPenis• 14 years ago

Lots of lag on Mac OS Lion. Can't even play through because of it. But I think you'd be able to get used to the controls given some practice.

rbxbx• 14 years ago

According to their forums, disabling sound (ie: turning the volume all the way down), fixes lag/stutter. In practice that seems to be mostly true. Still find the controls slightly unintuitive (but I imagine with an external mouse things would be better).

nitrogen• 14 years ago

A note for Ubuntu users: there is a PPA for the unreleased 0.8.0 version of LÖVE: https://launchpad.net/~bartbes/+archive/love-unstable/.

Google failed me today while trying to find the syntax for adding a PPA from the command line (largely because Google will not search for punctuation, even inside of quotation marks), so after a long search trying to avoid pages about human colons and professional associations (eventually settling on the query "ubuntu ppa apt-add-repository"), I'm posting this here (ref: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine):

  sudo apt-add-repository ppa:bartbes/love-unstable

Followed by the obvious:

  sudo aptitude update
  sudo aptitude install love-unstable
  love-unstable mari0_1.2.love

fictorial• 14 years ago

Fantastic! I can't say I'm enjoying the source code much but nice things are often quite messy under the covers. Nice work!

firefoxman1• 14 years ago

I think his license is the best one I've seen yet. In main.lua it says...

  *	NOT COPYRIGHT STABYOURSELF.NET
	NO RIGHTS RESERVED
	STEAL MY SHIT AND I'LL FUCK YOU UP
	PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING BY MAURICE GUÉGAN AND IF SOMETHING ISN'T BY ME THEN IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS OR NOBODY CARES

  THIS AWESOME PIECE OF CELESTIAL AMBROSIA IS RELEASED AS NON-COMMERCIAL, SHARE ALIKE, WHATEVER. YOU MAY PRINT OUT THIS CODES AND USE IT AS WALLPAPER IN YOUR BATHROOM.
	FOR SPECIFIC LICENSE (I know you linux users get a hard on when it comes to licenses) SEE http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/
	NOW GO AWAY (or stay and modify shit. I don't care as long as you stick to the above license.)*

Mari0=Mario + Portal ..Open source game

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