Monday Was the Hottest Day Ever as Global Temperatures Rise

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-04/world-records-hottest-day-ever-on-july-3

by Brajeshwar • 3 years ago

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deadeye3• 3 years ago

Extremely hot day? World is going to end.

Extremely cold day? One day is not a pattern.

This is why fewer and fewer people actually believe in global warming.

imtringued• 3 years ago

Good thing it was always called climate change and both extreme hot and cold days are part of it.

Also, even if we correct the terminology in your post, climate change denial is what is dying out. Denial was all the rage until ten years ago.

deredede2• 3 years ago

Extremely cold days can be part of global warming, which is why it is now called "climate change" to avoid confusion. It's not that everything gets hotter: while average temperatures rise, the system as a whole gets deregulated, leading to an increase in extreme phenomena, some of which are extremely cold days.

There are also, of course, local patterns that can cause extremely cold days. Averages and quantity also matters, of course. How many extremely cold days for each extremely hot day?

deadeye3• 3 years ago

If you examine your initial statement, you would see that the answer to your ending question does not matter.

If an extremely cold day is climate change, and an extremely hot day is climate change, what is the point of the ratio?

ben_WG3• 3 years ago

Global warming is not a matter of belief, but of trust in the scientific community. What you may be criticising is how some media report on the climate catastrophe, which itself has been scientifically studied since the 1970s and has been concluded to be caused by humans as much as scientists can agree on anything. Whether people "believe" in global warming is only relevant in terms of policy, just like it took some time in the late 19th century for people to accept that some illnesses are caused by bacteria and implement policy accordingly. Understanding the mechanisms of a threat is the first of many steps, but the threat itself doesn't care about whether you believe in it.

golemiprague• 3 years ago

There is a difference between accepting bacteria which is something that is happening at the present to accepting predictions about the future of the climate and the state of the world which is something that might happen in the future. Predicting the future is always harder, especially when trying to predict complicated systems like climate, so there is here an element of believing.

revelio3• 3 years ago

How is trust in the scientific community not belief? If you aren't checking their claims directly, then it's just that you believe them and others don't.

BTW it's not really trust in the scientific community. There are lots of scientists calling foul on this kind of story. What happens is, we get told they're the wrong kind of scientists, or "fringe" or whatever. It's social signalling all the way down and the message is Follow The Science.

syspec• 3 years ago

Actually the opposite is true, more and more people believe it, as they feel climate change in extreme local weather.

Extremely cold days are part of climate change, more extremes

beardyw• 3 years ago

I don't get it. It is only summer in the northern hemisphere. Why is there no peak in January for the southern hemisphere? What am I missing?

briga• 3 years ago

More land mass in the northern hemisphere

yumraj• 3 years ago

Actually that brings up a question, why is landmass on Earth so unevenly distributed between northern and southern hemispheres?

cassianoleal• 3 years ago

I imagine both actual population and population density have something to do with it as well. The difference is massive, which probably also means a lot more green areas and a lot less concrete and metal in proportion.

    a. Northern Hemisphere: The half that lies north of the Equator. This hemisphere contains approximately 68% of Earth's landmass and is home to about 90% of the global population. It includes North America, Europe, Asia, and most of Africa.

    b. Southern Hemisphere: The half that lies south of the Equator. It contains only 32% of Earth's landmass and is home to about 10% of the global population. It includes South America, Australia, Antarctica, and the southern parts of Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemispheres_of_Earth

defrost6• 3 years ago

See:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36591402

126 points, 11 hours ago, 103 comments

DiscourseFan• 3 years ago

I feel like the incentives to participate in ordered society are diminishing every year. I just don't see the benefits anymore: if one doesn't fight, then they die meaninglessly anyway.

globalreset• 3 years ago

Billions of people all over the world go about their lives just fine, worrying about mundane things and slowly improving their situation every day. Almost all objective metrics point out at the human population doing better than ever and life being as best as it ever was.

Someone somewhere said "the end is near", so let's ignore all the counter-arguments and counter-examples, human ingenuity and technological capability and weep instead.

anileated• 3 years ago

Unsubstantiated weeping about the fate of the world is fine, self-fulfilling prophecies on how there are no incentives to participate in ordered society aren’t.

hotpotamus2• 3 years ago

I've lived in a humid sub-tropic region (South Texas) of the US my entire life. A couple weeks ago we had an all time record-high heat index of 117. Objectively, that seems pretty high, and subjectively, it sucks huge dick. I'm really not all that interested in learning how much higher my body can withstand while being told that everything is fine, and anyway whatabout China?

sph7• 3 years ago

We are on the verge of a massive societal if not natural shift, and academics and politicians are too busy in their ivory towers to see that the prosperity of the post-war era has been a dead man walking for two decades at least.

Just look at anyone below age 25. It is utter lunacy for them to believe in the system as a force for good, or a necessary good either. "Your vote counts," and other bullshit media keeps repeating like a broken record.

It's going to get worse, but humanity takes a step forward for the better only after massive tragedies, not when megacorp says they're going net zero, or that party promises they'll fix it for real by adding a tax on meat products.

Humanity and Earth will eventually be fine, but right now we're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, so to speak.

unmole6• 3 years ago

Just look at anyone below age 25

The bulk of people below 25 live in the Global South. A majority of them live in countries experiencing strong economic growth, albeit from a low base. This kind of doomerism is exclusive to rich countries and is little more than whingeing.

ericd3• 3 years ago

A relatively simple carbon tax could put us on the right path, but most voters aren’t pushing for it. If the voters were all pushing for it, even if it means living a lower energy lifestyle in the short run and all that that entails, you’d see change.

Write a physical paper letter to your congresspeople letting them know that you’re a single issue voter on carbon tax with carbon dividend and border adjustment. Help bring it to the top of their mind, above the huge number of competing priorities, if you want to see something done.

heresie-dabord• 3 years ago

the incentives to participate in ordered society are diminishing [...] I just don't see the benefits anymore

I don't know where you live, of course. But you seem to be in despair. If I may suggest that you reflect further or talk with someone, your view of society is clearly not true.

There continue to be significant benefits to participating in ordered society. And this, for the vast majority of humanity.

ericd3• 3 years ago

Human conflict is the most immediate danger from climate change, as tensions rise. We can kill ourselves a lot faster than the climate has any hope of doing it for us. So maybe don’t exacerbate that?

blondie9x• 3 years ago

We have caused the Halocene extinction. Our wasteful lifestyles are the virus of the planet. The overconsumed. The technologists who think our devices and social media and VR are a substitute to blind us from the truth. We are destroying our planet. That’s reality. Our devices and travel are our escape.

“You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.“

What if mankind just lives in peace and balance with nature? No plastic. Carbon balance. Nothing added annually that wouldn’t be taken back and fixed anew by nature. Greenhouse gases back at 350 ppm. What if?

jemmyw• 3 years ago

You could see our consumption as part of the natural dynamic. We came from nature. We are no less animal than any other animal and our actions are perfectly natural. "Humanity evolved a brain that allowed them to access previously untapped energy sources leading to population growth. This eventually led to an unsustainable population growth, shortly followed by a massive disruption in the global ecosystem and climate. However, the sudden dip in diversity led to an explosion of new species over the following 1.8 million years."

It's total hubris of us to split the world into natural and artificial. The stuff in the ground that we dig up came from nature, we came from nature, so everything we produce is the result of nature. Not excusing our actions or inability to change, but also not ascribing it completely to malice or saying stuff like we should be in balance with nature which is meaningless.

naveen99• 3 years ago

If you were designing a planet atmosphere for 10 billion people, what percent co2 would you target ? Mars and Venus and prelife earth had very high levels of co2.

I wonder what percentage of the mesozoic co2 is sequestered in oil and gas and what the total quantity is based on that calculation.

Monday Was the Hottest Day Ever as Global Temperatures Rise

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