Geohot/Tinycorp gives up on AMD

https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/2198

by lyu07282 • 3 years ago

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lyu072822• 3 years ago

More context: https://youtu.be/Mr0rWJhv9jU

brucethemoose2• 3 years ago

Thats quite a freewheeling video...

lyu072822• 3 years ago

It's on brand I suppose, relevant part starts at 2:06: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mr0rWJhv9jU&t=126s

ftxbro4• 3 years ago

    05:31:00 need to merge speedups for realtime
    05:31:40 thank you for watching
    05:32:00 prison hierarchy

wmf4• 3 years ago

Ten days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36065175

I thought he was going to write his own driver because he already knew AMD drivers are garbage but I guess that wasn't the plan. In the video he said that he assumed AMD's userspace was broken but the kernel driver worked and he later discovered that it's much worse.

thdespou• 3 years ago

I thought the same too. He seems very suspicious and volatile.Just like the Java keyword.

red-iron-pine3• 3 years ago

explain

tredre3• 3 years ago

Geohot is a smart guy full of hot air. He keeps claiming that problems have simple solutions and vow to fix it as a proof of how easy it is.

Then he meets reality and silently gives up within a few weeks. Every. Single. Time.

See comma that still hasn't produced anything.

See his stint at twitter where he claimed he'd turn everything around within weeks but gave up after 2 days.

See the absolute bullshit that went on with his shitcoin, cheapETH.

Now see this.

boringuser23• 3 years ago

His Twitter shit was ridiculous, imagine ever having beaen a software engineer and thinking you alone can universally out-compute MILLIONS of man hours of human brain compute into a project.

Fucking audacity beyond words.

giraffe-flavor• 3 years ago

If you were a composer, you’d be Salieri.

parksoha• 3 years ago

See comma that still hasn't produced anything.

What do you mean by this?

eeemmmooo• 3 years ago

Comma.ai was his self driving car startup.

rohit89• 3 years ago

Comma and openpilot are doing fine and don't need George anymore. Don't think they will "win self driving cars" though.

ergocoder2• 3 years ago

Don't think they will "win self driving cars" though.

The boldest and bravest prediction.

Comma.ai wont win self-driving against Google and Tesla.

kotaKat• 3 years ago

There's a reason he earned the name 'egohot' many, many years ago, and he hasn't changed since.

juunpp• 3 years ago

"Feel free to close my issues", I'm too cool for this shit.

bko• 3 years ago

See comma that still hasn't produced anything.

What are you talking about? They actually shipped a product that has over 90 million miles driven, blowing past all competitors apart from Tesla. You can buy the product today, hook it up to your care and get a better lane assist than pretty much every other car company ships. Plus they're profitable. Compare that to dozens of self-driving startups that are basically vaporware or outright frauds.

You can dislike the guy but you're delusional if you brush off comma.ai as not having produced anything.

stuntkite• 3 years ago

Yeah, Op is so off base here. I do think that George still gets astroturfed by Muskateers though. Possibly even Musk's paid for army, but I think they are still cool with each other. But people who wanna cuddle an Elon will just jump in and crap on George or Comma quick. He was for sure more than a bit manic when he debut Comma, but their tools work and they have been in quite a bit of use for a while and their new robot platform is pretty cool. I don't think self driving cars can really be solved in the US but whatever, I hear the Mercedes stuff is surprisingly good. I'm not a twitch guy buy I joined a stream he was doing one day where he was live coding SLAM. I've done a lot of work with slam and not only is he a very good programmer but while doing the work to an audience he was able to have a brief but compelling conversation with me about his strategy. If my girl knocks on the door to bring me coffee while I'm coding I lose my place.

He's not involved with Comma much anymore and he's 100% right that Nvidia hasn't won the race yet.

I worked at Nvidia on RAPIDS. From what I understand, they've gotten better but it's still a very traditional MS style company. CUDA is amazing and is something akin to x86 with it's ubiquity. It's the fastest and best to work with but is an albatross and it's being used to accelerate the development of it's replacements. I feel his pain with this AMD stuff. I bailed on them in 2018. They do not have the ability to ship real compute tooling.

Also the myriad of ways we can now bridge to the browser with WebGPU and WebASM and Vulkan.... and FPGAs and next year photonic computing is going to start trickling in and then it's going to become. a flood. I think there are two fabs in the US. I plan to ship some test designs to SkyWater in August. With the end of globalization, photonics are going to be where we move quick.

I like Geohot. I really enjoyed his punk ass spirit as a young guy and I think he's grown up to being a decent example of how to be a tech public figure. His soundcloud is dope. Not only does it have some good songs but a few of them are about valley inside baseball that has not ever been reported anywhere but his music.

https://soundcloud.com/tomcr00se/

weare138• 3 years ago

I was curious and looked that up because your post sounds strikingly similar to corporate marketing material. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems Comma couldn't find a buyer and just open-sourced the product. And Geohot seemed to have stepped down from the company completely.

ergocoder2• 3 years ago

silently gives up

He gave up loudly on his twitter in public space.

gave up after 2 days.

More like several weeks.

See comma that still hasn't produced anything.

It has produced something as other comments pointed out.

It seems to me you are the one who is full of hot air.

tibbydudeza• 3 years ago

He just uncommented the forced login to twitter when you wanted to search for something - he then left saying "mission accomplished" then it became worse - they bought the forced login back and and now give a crappy rightwing leaning meme timeline featuring Elon's wisdom

camdenlock• 3 years ago

Well, that didn’t last very long, did it.

moralestapia2• 3 years ago

Whoops, 5M down the drain.

Easier said than done, I guess.

wmf4• 3 years ago

It looks like he's pivoting to Intel (but for how long).

moralestapia2• 3 years ago

If I were him I'd pivot to ARM, like, really.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's more PFLOPS in all ARM devices combined than any other arch.

But I reached out a few days ago and the guy is a dick so good riddance.

nubinetwork2• 3 years ago

To be fair, amdgpu can be a dumpster fire at times...

I've also seen cases where I get that sdma ring buffer timeout, and rather than resetting the GPU, it spews garbage continuously in dmesg before I have to power cycle it.

On the other hand, that 2950x system is cursed. Half the time I boot it up, it downclocks the memory to 2400, won't detect USB devices... or part way through booting the kernel decides that it doesn't want anything to do with the pcie bus and panics.

djmips• 3 years ago

He has a point. If you have been following AMD for years you'll see there's something inexplicable about the quality of their drivers. <shrug> I guess it's the culture. I don't know but something seems wrong.

unixhero2• 3 years ago

It has been going on for 23 years. My rage128 card, which I bought as a youngster, in 2000, had the worst drivers that 80% of the time did not work.

nubinetwork2• 3 years ago

I don't know if that's a fair comparison... AMD might have bought ATI, but they're not exactly the same company anymore...

Plus back then the concept of needing drivers for hardware was rather new... prior to SVGA, DOS games talked to the hardware directly or just dumped data into a chunk of memory for the video card to display.

malermeister• 3 years ago

I thought his whole pitch was that AMD drivers suck and he was gonna write new ones?

Now he's giving up because AMD drivers suck?

teruakohatu• 3 years ago

It was generally assumed the point was to sell to AMD, I guess that wasn't the goal.

red-iron-pine3• 3 years ago

intel's challenges are doing more to sell AMD than anything.

geohot is there to sell himself

Geohot/Tinycorp gives up on AMD

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